mrtrench
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Great, so if we had controls we could take the number we need and not soak the economy with thousands of people working in factories; washing cars and so on.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (50 Viewers)
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Great, so if we had controls we could take the number we need and not soak the economy with thousands of people working in factories; washing cars and so on.
For all Europeans. Even you. You also have human rights. The British taxpayers don’t foot any bills apart from membership, which has benefits. We were doing fantastic economically in comparison to others until Brexit. The queues have several causes. Not least government policies. Our sovereign government‘s failure btw, which people like you claim doesn’t exist.
The question was a monetary question which did not include the possibility that we pay in to get something out. You asked one side of the equation, but not about our possible wealth or ‚fairness“ based on guaranteed rights etc..
As such, I cannot give an answer to one side of the equation. Partly because a prosperous or just EU and UK cannot be measured in financial terms. I think working together produces better results than going it alone. Just my opinion.
Do they work in factories? Some work on conveyor belt jobs. Already pretty automated. Does washing cars matter overall? We have machines for that, but people like a personal service. Automation is there, but some people prefer the hand wash anyway. The same in catering. Go down the pub and push a button. A perfect beer comes out. Would you prefer that, or be served by a person? Some jobs are harder to automate. MacDonalds is trying with machines to take your order. That may work because Mac is fast food and impersonal.
fernandopartridge
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...and companies in the UK instead choose to invest in a never ending stream of cheap labour
Again, what I said is that there are more older people as a percentage. Even if old people always wanted to stay put, there are simply more of them.
skybluetony176
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Maybe it had a picture with it. Facebook law, if it has a picture it’s definitely true.
I thought investment was slowing because of uncertainties about Brexit. As well.
fernandopartridge
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Investment has been stagnant for years, even if it is slowing down due to uncertainties over Brexit. Rather than invest in employees companies find a replacement. Hopefully post Brexit this practice will start to diminish.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Government conspiracy? They are the ones covering it up ffs. Facts backed up by who? A source such as their government or the media? That's what you love, you know they have an agenda and luckily for you, you are on the right side of it. They won't report it.
Let me tell you this, right wing facist groups don't need to, and shouldn't need to make up stories or fabricate facts. Most normal people know that, because they realise what is going on.
I guess the woman raped in a wheelchair in Gotland was just a conspiracy too. Maybe it was the wheelchair's fault! Or Breitbart's!
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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We will see... don’t hold your breath
skybluetony176
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Ha ha. Just to confirm my point you make your point with a picture. Classic. Must be true.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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IrishSkyBlue
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Well this has turned into a right mess, dup are making it worse for themselves and NI, i hope theres no hard border i like being able drive over border to my friends when im home, they really didnt consider this when they thought about the break up deal and the EU will back ireland all the way hopefully can be some agreement going be hard with dup messing things up tho.
skybluetony176
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I get the joke. It’s you.
clint van damme
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I believe that this is where we should be aiming tax breaks, at companies investing in training and R and D rather than just cutting Corporation tax with no guarantee that those cuts will create any wider benefits to the economy.
chiefdave
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Wouldn't you also have to factor in the additional cost to the UK to replace services provided by the EU currently?
Not really though. As he says:
“A 15 per cent trade-weighted drop in the pound sterling probably has something to do with that but construction data has been better, consumer data has been better of late.
But the investor claimed that Brexit could lead exporting companies leaving the UK. He said: “And certainly with that drop in sterling and what’s happening, it’s going to favour some of the exporting companies out of the UK
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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skybluetony176
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And the benefits of EU trade deals with the world.
Oh wait. My mistake. Everyone will be bending over backwards to do deals with us better than the ones that one of the worlds biggest trading blocks can achieve. Just like the EU would with brexit negotiations as BMW want to sell us cars and Merkel controls everything. How’s that working out? Oh yeah, one way concessions to the EU meaning we’ve shifted a country mile and the EU hasn’t changed position hardly at all.
Still it’s not like India want a relaxation on migration into the U.K. as part of any trade deal. OK bad choice. Erm, Australia. It’s not like Australia are basically offering the same trade deal they’re agreeing with the EU at the moment but with a relaxation on immigration into the U.K. Oh wait, they are. New Zealand, wait no. They’ve cottoned on to what Australia have said and are looking for the same. Canada, wait no. See New Zealand. Erm erm, pigs ears. We can sell twice as many pigs ears (ironic given brexit is looking like a pigs ear) into China. That’s the deficit sorted anyway. Oranges, oranges are going to be cheaper. They may have twice as many air miles on them and possibly farmed using contaminated waste water but hey ho who’s worried about global warming and health. The NHS can cope and global warming is a myth, Trump said so and he read it with something that had an accompanying picture with it on Facebook so it must be true.
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skybluetony176
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Is this the area where migrant children as young as five have to have a police escort to school to stop locals attacking them?
fernandopartridge
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Why are you starting on the basis of being outside the EU meaning we no longer trade with them? Why should we have to be part of a political union just to achieve barrier free trade? If Australia and NZ can get a FTA with the EU, why can't the UK?
Beväpnade poliser ska springa med joggare i Oskarshamn – "Folk känner sig otrygga"
No, it’s the area where the police chief said nothing much happens here, but offered people to go jogging with his officers during their evening work outs if they were worried about jogging in a park after dark. The National Socialist version of events is carried on the friatider racist, islamophobic, alt right, populist website ( see above ).
Lets be honest though, all the issues are slowly resolving, the yokes will be released steadily as we provide the real incentive the EU stalwarts want............our billions. They never wanted our input lets be realistic. The Irish issue will be resolved with another bribe, everything we want from the EU will be gained with bribes. The key points are controlling our borders now and the freedom to strike deals all over the world with whoever we like. I just hope that our Theresa is spreading these payments over a long period, mortgage fashion like, just to keep the countries cash flow in order. Your dream of stopping this Mart is contained now in a pipe and is puffing steadily away ! Human nature and greed from your masters at the EU is selling you down the river pal.
But Tony your last paragraph only becomes reality if the EU refuse us a trade deal............and they won't of course !
Sick Boy
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They won't even start talks until the Irish border issue with resolved.
Well they've been bribed before, money talks !
We will be paying over a period of time as our liabilities become due. I don’t think we will accept paying everything up front and if we put it in writing what we are going to pay for, then the EU will probably accept that. The EU are not gaining anything, they just want us to pay membership up until we go and cover liabilities. The same as if you pay a bank loan back. The bank hasn’t robbed you, you paid back what you had borrowed at the agreed terms. Normal.
As regards borders, I think a key point is not having a land border with ROI. The arguments for ease of transport for private people and, perhaps, more importantly, having no trade barriers are the same as for not having a hard border with France and Holland. Even fanatics like KoK don’t want a land border with ROI. The same leavers want a hard border with the EU though. Not thought through obviously. You cannot want one, but not the other. It is a contradiction.
It would be great if someone said, wtf, it‘s more complicated and damaging than we thought, let’s call it a day and get on with building a better stronger EU.
But, as we can see even on here, there are a lot of agendas fighting against a successful EU. Human nature in the form of being scared of foreigners and a tribal resentment against anything from outside, coupled with greed and ignorance is indeed selling the U.K. down the river. My solution for myself is German citizenship, assuming I pass the language and citizenship tests. Yours is hoping that after leaving the EU, the U.K. will do away with piffling human rights. Good luck with that, it ended in tears when Germany took that path in the 30s.
I was serious about you going to Nürnberg Dokumentation Zentrum. You said you liked travel, and I though you may reflect on some of your comments when you saw what happened when people actually did away with people of an oriental religion and piffling human rights. It started off fairly innocently and grew into a disaster.
SIR ERNIE
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You say you love the UK and don’t want to see it suffer but 295 pages tell a very different story.
They show that you place the preservation of your beloved Germany-dominated EU project above all, including the wellbeing of the UK. You label leavers as thick xenophobes, racists, Little Englanders and even Nazis who don’t know what they voted for. You pour scorn on the UK negotiators whilst loyally defending fools like Barnier and Junkers and your obsessive hatred for Farage is because he exposed your EU for what it is.
There are plenty of remainers on here who are genuinely concerned about the effects of Brexit on the UK but you’re not one of them. You desperately want to see the UK to suffer so that the chances of the EU remaining intact are increased.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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You two are totally stupid. Do you really believe that?
Oskarshamn is a town of roughly 18,000 people. That is town smaller than Kenilworth. Over the last year there has been numerous robberies, rapes, and violent crimes. Even though 'not much happens there', you can see why this has shaken the town. As a result of the disruption and due to the police acting as if nothing is wrong, people have taken things into their own hands. Is throwing stones at migrants wrong? Of course! Is it as bad as multiple rape, robbery, or violent assaults? No, it isn't! Get some fucking perspective.
Bear in mind that in Stockholm, the Police were ordered to be very 'sparing' when describing suspects, as they didn't want to be perceived as 'racist'. When a policeman then comes out and says 'not much happens here' or 'the joggers are scared of the dark', it is pretty clear there is a bit more going on than appears. It's pretty basic, but if you google in Swedish: - Oskarshamn Rape and Oskarshamn Robbery, you might get some explanations as to why people are anxious. This is monkey work to be honest, and I will give you a clue, it isn't because the moon isn't out certain nights!
If you're going to have a go, at least try and act like you know what you are talking about. Many people Europe wide are now stepping above your ignorance and denial. The more you try to make excuses, hide the problem, or call people who raise the issue as racist, the more groups like Britain First, AFD, and the SD will continue to grow and prosper.
dutchman
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Or they manage to find a form of words which means all things to all sides as David Davis is desperately trying to do right now!