The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (388 Viewers)

[Astute]

Still doing it then I see.

Yes the 3 of you are.

Shall we get back to Schulz and what he wants to get into bed with Merkel?

Of course you don't.

 

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[Sick Boy]

Yes the 3 of you are.

Shall we get back to Schulz and what he wants to get into bed with Merkel?

Of course you don't.

Priceless.

 

[Astute]

They lose their VETO not their VOTE. In other words they accept the Parliament of MEPs and majority voting in the second chamber where they have voting rights but no veto.

So who has lost what vote? Please answer and not dodge the question.

Bollocks. Why lie?

Schulz fights for 'United States of Europe' by 2025

Or would you prefer the Guardian again where you wouldn't call it false news and admitted it was right.

So what does this mean?

I want a European constitutional treaty that creates a federal Europe," he said.

He said the treaty would be presented to EU member states for ratification, and those that reject it automatically should leave the bloc.

 

[Astute]

Priceless.

Lets talk about it then as you didn't join in for 3 days.

 

[Sick Boy]

Lets talk about it then as you didn't join in for 3 days.

I've already said what I think. Are you going to start trying to force other people to speak about things they haven't done on other threads too? I see you've gone quiet on your ill thought of claims earlier.

 

[Grendel]

I've already said what I think. Are you going to start trying to force other people to speak about things they haven't done on other threads too? I see you've gone quiet on your ill thought of claims earlier.

Martcov has admitted he wants more powers to Europe and less powers to individual countries (or states as these countries lose their identity over time) he’s come clean and said it. Do you believe the same?

 

[martcov]

More like the whole UK political scene.

Very similar to Germany but they need to offer much more than the Tories did.

No. Germany is very organised. The parties set out their wishes for a coalition contract. The FDP couldn’t get anywhere and left the talks. SPD is now speaking to CDU/CSU. It will end up as Grand Coalition Lite. Agree to work on something’s and let Parliament decide where they don’t agree.

 

[Astute]

I've already said what I think. Are you going to start trying to force other people to speak about things they haven't done on other threads too? I see you've gone quiet on your ill thought of claims earlier.

When I put a link up at the time that I reminded you of?

 

[Astute]

No. Germany is very organised. The parties set out their wishes for a coalition contract. The FDP couldn’t get anywhere and left the talks. SPD is now speaking to CDU/CSU. It will end up as Grand Coalition Lite. Agree to work on something’s and let Parliament decide where they don’t agree.

Merkel doesn't want to force change on fellow EU members. But she wants to cling to power.
So she has the choice. Join Schulz and force change through, lead a minority coalition or have another election. The EU has stated they want it sorted ASAP. And they are with Macron. They want to force change on fellow EU members.

 

[Sick Boy]

Martcov has admitted he wants more powers to Europe and less powers to individual countries (or states as these countries lose their identity over time) he’s come clean and said it. Do you believe the same?

I will let him speak for himself rather than what you've claimed.

There is little chance of countries in the EU losing their identities and not convinced that it'll actually happen in how it's being presented on here.

I support greater EU integration though if done sensibly over time

 

[Astute]

I will let him speak for himself rather than what you've claimed.

There is little chance of countries in the EU losing their identities and not convinced that it'll actually happen in how it's being presented on here.

I support greater EU integration though if done sensibly over time

So as well as not joining in for a few days you also haven't read the thread?

And all news outlets have made it up about Schulz?

Did he make it up in his own twatter account where he translated it himself?

 

[Sick Boy]

I see that the likelihood of this happening is actually pretty low but the Express are running with it quite a lot, so not surprised it's gained traction on here.

We are also told that Macron is very unpopular and won't last by posters on here.

 

[Sick Boy]

So as well as not joining in for a few days you also haven't read the thread?

Not properly, no. I've read actual news media though (not the Express).

 

[Sick Boy]

Merkel doesn't want to force change on fellow EU members. But she wants to cling to power.
So she has the choice. Join Schulz and force change through, lead a minority coalition or have another election. The EU has stated they want it sorted ASAP. And they are with Macron. They want to force change on fellow EU members.

Which countries in the EU have said they want this ASAP?

 

[Astute]

I see that the likelihood of this happening is actually pretty low but the Express are running with it quite a lot, so not surprised it's gained traction on here.

We are also told that Macron is very unpopular and won't last by posters on here.

Every news outlet ran with it.

Not good for the pro EU'ers so of course it isn't true.

 

[Astute]

Which countries in the EU have said they want this ASAP?

They either accept it or leave. That is democracy for you.

 

[martcov]

Bollocks. Why lie?

Schulz fights for 'United States of Europe' by 2025

Or would you prefer the Guardian again where you wouldn't call it false news and admitted it was right.

So what does this mean?

I want a European constitutional treaty that creates a federal Europe," he said.

He said the treaty would be presented to EU member states for ratification, and those that reject it automatically should leave the bloc.

Exactly that. What has that got to do with Juncker, Merkel, a German plot to rule Europe or “they” and who is losing a vote? Ratification usually involves party or people voting. I have said several times that I would vote for a federal Europe.

 

[Astute]

Not properly, no. I've read actual news media though (not the Express).

Even the Guardian ran with it. That was when Mart agreed it is true.

 

[martcov]

They either accept it or leave. That is democracy for you.

Yes. That is democracy. Same as either remain or leave. We’re leaving because we won’t accept e.g. free movement.

 

[Astute]

Exactly that. What has that got to do with Juncker, Merkel, a German plot to rule Europe or “they” and who is losing a vote? Ratification usually involves party or people voting. I have said several times that I would vote for a federal Europe.

A federal system of government consists of a group of regions that are controlled by a central government.

So you want what Schulz wants.

 

[Sick Boy]

They either accept it or leave. That is democracy for you.

So which countries are forcing it through? Why won't you answer the question?

 

[Astute]

Yes. That is democracy. Same as either remain or leave. We’re leaving because we won’t accept e.g. free movement.

We got to vote on the matter. That is democracy. They get ruled by a central government or leave. That is blackmail.

 

[Astute]

So which countries are forcing it through? Why won't you answer the question?

France, the EU and Germany if Merkel makes a coalition with Schulz. The rest have no say other than lose their vote or leave the EU. But you know this.

 

[martcov]

Martcov has admitted he wants more powers to Europe and less powers to individual countries (or states as these countries lose their identity over time) he’s come clean and said it. Do you believe the same?

What do you mean „come clean“? You may not have noticed it, but the UK is not the same as 1960. what is identity? I think I have a British identity, but a British Asian aged 30 will have a different version of being British. The people in Schleswig Holstein have some state identity, but they accept their German and European culture. The countries are becoming more globalised anyway. I am not into this nation state thinking. I want a successful and content Europe. Less nationalism and more coming together. Sounds frightening for some xenophobic people though.

 

[Sick Boy]

France, the EU and Germany if Merkel makes a coalition with Schulz. The rest have no say other than lose their vote or leave the EU. But you know this.

The EU isn't a country, what are you talking about?

 

[martcov]

France, the EU and Germany if Merkel makes a coalition with Schulz. The rest have no say other than lose their vote or leave the EU. But you know this.

Is the EU a country? Are all 27 others in on this?

 

[martcov]

We got to vote on the matter. That is democracy. They get ruled by a central government or leave. That is blackmail.

The central government is “they”. They are getting the same choice as you: remain with the new system or leave. They have just as much a vote as you. You chose to leave. The others may prefer the increased democracy for Europeans as opposed to sailing off into a glorious sunset, as you have chosen.

 

[Sick Boy]

We got to vote on the matter. That is democracy. They get ruled by a central government or leave. That is blackmail.

You recently described the EU as a dictatorship, yet it is now democratic?
You're all over the place.

 

[Astute]

Is that the best you 2 can do?

Once all countries give away their right to decide it might as well be one country.

 

[Astute]

You recently described the EU as a dictatorship, yet it is now democratic?
You're all over the place.

I said turning into a dictatorship. And this goes to show that I could well be 100% right after taking abuse off you and others for saying so. That must be why some of you are having a priblem admitting what is going on.

 

[martcov]

A federal system of government consists of a group of regions that are controlled by a central government.

So you want what Schulz wants.

Yes. I keep telling you that. I live in a federal country which is more democratic than yours at the moment. I am happy enough to be applying for citizenship of that country. There is nothing unusual or evil about federal states, or rather the more democratic ones such as Germany or Switzerland.

 

[Astute]

The central government is “they”. They are getting the same choice as you: remain with the new system or leave. They have just as much a vote as you. You chose to leave. The others may prefer the increased democracy for Europeans as opposed to sailing off into a glorious sunset, as you have chosen.

Are you saying that we didn't have a vote to leave or stay in the EU as it now is?

So you want a federal government. You have said it enough times. I wonder if SB has worked out what a federal government is.

 

[Sick Boy]

I said turning into a dictatorship. And this goes to show that I could well be 100% right after taking abuse off you and others for saying so. That must be why some of you are having a priblem admitting what is going on.

You have tried to claim the EU is a country, so I'm not convinced by a lot of what you say.

 

[Astute]

Yes. I keep telling you that. I live in a federal country which is more democratic than yours at the moment. I am happy enough to be applying for citizenship of that country. There is nothing unusual or evil about federal states, or rather the more democratic ones such as Germany or Switzerland.

There is a massive difference between a federal government that rules one country and a federal government that rules 27 countries.

 

[Astute]

You have tried to claim the EU is a country, so I'm not convinced by a lot of what you say.

It will be soon if Schulz gets his way.