The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (243 Viewers)

[martcov]

So what have I made up? I posted the links.

You are claiming to quote my views - the quotes are not true and the views are not true.

 

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[martcov]

They would never say it in print or public. They simply scheme things that way.

I say 'mostly' because of things like sponsors/commissioners having vested interests in the outcomes of the polls...they have become a tool to sway the not yet committed...or destabilise the committed. Don't trust the polls: the systemic issues that make voter surveys unreliable - & I personally don't bother much at all with polls.

The reason we as a nation voted out is largely down to things moving too fast in the opposite direction to what you describe...THAT sowed discontent among the less skilled & lower paid.

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What were the things that have moved too fast?

 

[martcov]

They would never say it in print or public. They simply scheme things that way.

I say 'mostly' because of things like sponsors/commissioners having vested interests in the outcomes of the polls...they have become a tool to sway the not yet committed...or destabilise the committed. Don't trust the polls: the systemic issues that make voter surveys unreliable - & I personally don't bother much at all with polls.

The reason we as a nation voted out is largely down to things moving too fast in the opposite direction to what you describe...THAT sowed discontent among the less skilled & lower paid.

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Who are they? The 28 present members?

 

[Kingokings204]

She „won“.

No. It varied in 2016. Leave started doing well as from January. Remain as from Jo Cox‘s death. Then it was a slight lead and a slight loss until the day. Leave won by a small margin on the day

Clinton lost.

 

[martcov]

Clinton lost.

I put „won“ in inverted commas. She „won“ the popular vote as predicted. How‘s your mate Farage getting on these days?

 

[Kingokings204]

I put „won“ in inverted commas. She „won“ the popular vote as predicted. How‘s your mate Farage getting on these days?

So she lost then.

He told me he was round your house last night as you are always plugging him on here.

Speaking of which I did see this on his show tonight and it reminded me of you. A great speech from this labour supporter. I loved it. I would listen as millions of people feel like this and many call in.

 

[Captain Dart]

Titter...
Half of Germans Want to Scrap Euro, Bring Back Deutsche Mark - Breitbart

Germans getting mighty pissed off at having to keep Greece afloat.

 

[martcov]

So she lost then.

He told me he was round your house last night as you are always plugging him on here.

Speaking of which I did see this on his show tonight and it reminded me of you. A great speech from this labour supporter. I loved it. I would listen as millions of people feel like this and many call in.

Total idiot and UKIP supporter. „People’s Republic of London“ says a „Labour“ supporter. Haha. What has he said? Apart from „I want out“? Seems like he doesn’t like it that people are waking up to Brexit. Sounded desperate.

 

[martcov]

Titter...
Half of Germans Want to Scrap Euro, Bring Back Deutsche Mark - Breitbart

Germans getting mighty pissed off at having to keep Greece afloat.

No one is talking about it that at the moment. The government is still trying to get a coalition together. Withdrawing from the euro has not been discussed. Unemployment is falling. Wage increases above inflation. Young people cannot remember the DMark. I don’t know where you get this crap from..... oh wait.... let me guess....

 

[Kingokings204]

Total idiot and UKIP supporter. „People’s Republic of London“ says a „Labour“ supporter. Haha. What has he said? Apart from „I want out“? Seems like he doesn’t like it that people are waking up to Brexit. Sounded desperate.

Many many people especially labour supporters feel like this Mart. He made valid points imo.

I can see why you don’t like this caller but this is a reality.

 

[Captain Dart]

No one is talking about it that at the moment. The government is still trying to get a coalition together. Withdrawing from the euro has not been discussed. Unemployment is falling. Wage increases above inflation. Young people cannot remember the DMark. I don’t know where you get this crap from..... oh wait.... let me guess....

The poll was commissioned by Bild not Briebart, why did Bild commission that poll, I thought that was a mainstream establishment publication if ever there was one.

 

[martcov]

Many many people especially labour supporters feel like this Mart. He made valid points imo.

I can see why you don’t like this caller but this is a reality.

I don’t see him as labour and he didn’t seem to understand anything apart from out means out.

 

[martcov]

The poll was commissioned by Bild not Briebart, why did Bild commission that poll, I thought that was a mainstream establishment publication if ever there was one.

The German „Sun“. I don’t know why as I don’t read it. Nobody I know has mentioned the DMark to me for years. Actually you don’t hear much about Greece at the moment. Young people cannot know much about the DMark. Something must be afoot.

 

[martcov]

The poll was commissioned by Bild not Briebart, why did Bild commission that poll, I thought that was a mainstream establishment publication if ever there was one.

What date was the poll? I found one from the Bild in 2011 which quoted the figures you are on about. Have Breitbart dug that our? Or you?

 

[Sick Boy]

So she lost then.

He told me he was round your house last night as you are always plugging him on here.

Speaking of which I did see this on his show tonight and it reminded me of you. A great speech from this labour supporter. I loved it. I would listen as millions of people feel like this and many call in.

Many people don't feel that way. Sometimes it feels like some believe the result was something of a landslide.

 

[Sick Boy]

David Davis to warn EU it cannot cherrypick in Brexit trade deal talks

Somehow I think this is more likely to end up like 'row of the summer'.

 

[Astute]

David Davis to warn EU it cannot cherrypick in Brexit trade deal talks

Somehow I think this is more likely to end up like 'row of the summer'.

It is the only way to go.

Or should we let the EU decide that whatever they export the most of to us is tariff free ànd what we export the most of has tariffs?

And then it has to go through parliament. There is no way a deal biased towards the EU will go through.

 

[dutchman]

It is the only way to go.

Or should we let the EU decide that whatever they export the most of to us is tariff free ànd what we export the most of has tariffs?

And then it has to go through parliament. There is no way a deal biased towards the EU will go through.

I wouldn't bet on that, the overwhelming majority of MPs are still pro-EU.

 

[martcov]

It is the only way to go.

Or should we let the EU decide that whatever they export the most of to us is tariff free ànd what we export the most of has tariffs?

And then it has to go through parliament. There is no way a deal biased towards the EU will go through.

We are in the CU and SM at the moment which doesn’t cherry pick. If we had voted remain we wouldn’t need to negotiate a comprehensive non cherry picked agreement. The only people trying to cherry pick an agreement are Davis and his team who want the benefits of being in the CU and SM without being in them.

 

[Astute]

We are in the CU and SM at the moment which doesn’t cherry pick. If we had voted remain we wouldn’t need to negotiate a comprehensive non cherry picked agreement. The only people trying to cherry pick an agreement are Davis and his team who want the benefits of being in the CU and SM without being in them.

So the EU doesn't want what is best for them and not us?

That is good to hear.

And it was democracy. You constantly tell us how important it is.

 

[skybluetony176]

Are we back to people who voted leave because the EU is a protectionist organisation acting all surprised again when the EU acts to protect itself? Happened at the first stage of negotiations so I suppose the charade is bound to continue. Welcome to the realities of brexit. Stop acting surprised, you’re fooling no one. Take ownership of your vote, if you don’t like the reality of what you voted for you only have yourselves to blame. Remember, you knew what you voted for and this is it.

 

[martcov]

So the EU doesn't want what is best for them and not us?

That is good to hear.

And it was democracy. You constantly tell us how important it is.

The EU wants what is best for their members. If we remained that would include us. We voted to leave, so the EU will only represent the ones who are not leaving. That is democracy at work. You have nothing to complain about as far as the EU is concerned. They are respecting the vote.

 

[Kingokings204]

Are we back to people who voted leave because the EU is a protectionist organisation acting all surprised again when the EU acts to protect itself? Happened at the first stage of negotiations so I suppose the charade is bound to continue. Welcome to the realities of brexit. Stop acting surprised, you’re fooling no one. Take ownership of your vote, if you don’t like the reality of what you voted for you only have yourselves to blame. Remember, you knew what you voted for and this is it.

But if they hurt the UK they are hurting themselves.? That’s why the EU is so disconnected. Where is the sense in that?

 

[Sick Boy]

It is the only way to go.

Or should we let the EU decide that whatever they export the most of to us is tariff free ànd what we export the most of has tariffs?

And then it has to go through parliament. There is no way a deal biased towards the EU will go through.

The UK has very little power in these 'negotiations'. It'll be the same as the 'row of the summer', loads of hot air before rolling over.

Let's also hope that the government has a backup plan for the economy after the recent interview in the Guardian.

 

[Kingokings204]

Many people don't feel that way. Sometimes it feels like some believe the result was something of a landslide.

Many Labour supporters do feel that way and leave voters in general but there is this myth that Labour leave supporters are all happy and will vote Labour next GE. I wouldn’t count on it. Listen to the link and read many comments online from Labour members.

John Hill from Labour was on LBC Sunday and he is very worried. He said whilst many Labour mps want to remain there are 4-5 million Labour voters who want to leave. Genuine disconnect.

 

[Sick Boy]

Many Labour supporters do feel that way and leave voters in general but there is this myth that Labour leave supporters are all happy and will vote Labour next GE. I wouldn’t count on it. Listen to the link and read many comments online from Labour members.

John Hill from Labour was on LBC Sunday and he is very worried. He said whilst many Labour mps want to remain there are 4-5 million Labour voters who want to leave. Genuine disconnect.

At least they vote for a party that has a genuine eurosceptic leader, unlike the Tories.

Also a majority of Labour voters did vote to remain (65%).

 

[Kingokings204]

At least they vote for a party that has a genuine eurosceptic leader, unlike the Tories.

Also a majority of Labour voters did vote to remain (65%).

Oh I do agree. I’m a Labour supporter myself until recently especially being from Coventry and the labour mps I believe it’s 90% plus who want to remain also. It’s very high.

My point was between 4-5 million Labour voters voted to leave in the EU ref and no sod knows what labours position is? In the GE they catorgorically Stated we will leave single market customs union and end free movement of people now some mps won’t rule out a second ref. Corbyn is extremely quiet wouldnt you agree? Reason is he wants to leave the EU but his party is mainly blairytes and all want to stay in the EU and I think the confusion is deliberate.

 

[martcov]

But if they hurt the UK they are hurting themselves.? That’s why the EU is so disconnected. Where is the sense in that?

If you voted for leave you are probably hurting yourself. It was the risk you took. You could call it a disconnect. The EU will take the way that is best long term for the 27. It may be that they have to take a short term hit as they are not going to give an ex member a better deal than the members. The situation was caused by the leave vote and we will probably all be worse off in the short term, with no guarantee of things getting better long term.

 

[clint van damme]

Many Labour supporters do feel that way and leave voters in general but there is this myth that Labour leave supporters are all happy and will vote Labour next GE. I wouldn’t count on it. Listen to the link and read many comments online from Labour members.

John Hill from Labour was on LBC Sunday and he is very worried. He said whilst many Labour mps want to remain there are 4-5 million Labour voters who want to leave. Genuine disconnect.

I think you're right and it's beyond doubt that this issue transcends party politics, especially in the main two parties.
I think it's also beyond doubt, no matter what people say, that within the leave vote there are various factions with a different idea as to what Brexit should mean.

 

[skybluetony176]

But if they hurt the UK they are hurting themselves.? That’s why the EU is so disconnected. Where is the sense in that?

Brexit was always going to cause pain. We hurt the EU and we are hurting ourselves as well by voting out. That door swings both ways. The EU will now act to protec itself as much as possible. We know that. Why are people acting surprised and complaining about it. It was never ever going to be any different. That’s the whole point of being a trading bloc. It’s safety and power in numbers.

 

[Kingokings204]

Brexit was always going to cause pain. We hurt the EU and we are hurting ourselves as well by voting out. That door swings both ways. The EU will now act to protec itself as much as possible. We know that. Why are people acting surprised and complaining about it. It was never ever going to be any different. That’s the whole point of being a trading bloc. It’s safety and power in numbers.

That’s fine to protecting yourself. Trouble is and you just admitted it by protecting their very own principals hundreds of thousands of jobs are at risk. Not saying the EU will as I think we will get a free trade deal so then have they protected their own citizens and jobs after all?

 

[skybluetony176]

That’s fine to protecting yourself. Trouble is and you just admitted it by protecting their very own principals hundreds of thousands of jobs are at risk. Not saying the EU will as I think we will get a free trade deal so then have they protected their own citizens and jobs after all?

Are you talking about the UK or EU there or are you suggesting that people voted leave for the benefit of the EU? The EU will do what it takes to protect itself and that is likely to be at our expense. It was something that was always going to happen in this scenario.

 

[Kingokings204]

Are you talking about the UK or EU there or are you suggesting that people voted leave for the benefit of the EU? The EU will do what it takes to protect itself and that is likely to be at our expense. It was something that was always going to happen in this scenario.

But what I’m saying is what is protecting yourself? Is it the citizens and protecting their jobs and income or preserving the single market and freedom of movement and costing hundreds of thousands of jobs?

 

[Grendel]

At least they vote for a party that has a genuine eurosceptic leader, unlike the Tories.

Also a majority of Labour voters did vote to remain (65%).

Most labour voters at the last election voted to leave.

 

[Sick Boy]

Most labour voters at the last election voted to leave.

What's that based on?

Big majority of Labour members 'want UK to stay in single market'

YouGov | How Britain Voted