Londonccfcfan
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Can the 10 persons who have voted yes sack him now please come forward and give their thoughts on why he should be sacked now.
Should Mark Robins be sacked? (39 Viewers)
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sylus
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Yeah i was one of the 10,"i think"..you get relegated from league one,your initial thoughts are to bounce straight back after a season in this poxy league,preferably auto's but at the very least the playoff's which i stated earlier in this thread that i believe we won't make,a mid table finish,then what? a struggle next season with Robins at the helm,nah! sod that sh't....been their done that countless times.Regardless of how you are playing it is a results game and i'm afraid Robins just isn't cutting it for me.i do hope i am wrong and we can sneak into the playoff's,however if that was the case i still believe we would fail to make even the final.if we don't make it..then Robins needs to go and a fresh start for next season would be required from my point of view.we can live in hope,,
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skybluetony176
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How many clubs have bounced straight back up after relegation to league two over the last couple of seasons?
Colin Steins Smile
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We need to remember the state of the clubs infrastructure when he took over. The scouting and recruitment function was almost non-existent. The sports science support services and ancillary structures needed improving. In short there was no system in place.
In a relatively short period of time and having to make compromises and prioritising some areas of the clubs functions he's steadied a club that was in free fall. Two more transfer windows and another full pre-season, we will have a clearer picture of how far MR can take this club.
Now is not the time to lose MR, we need some stability and allow the changes he's made to reach maturity.
In a relatively short period of time and having to make compromises and prioritising some areas of the clubs functions he's steadied a club that was in free fall. Two more transfer windows and another full pre-season, we will have a clearer picture of how far MR can take this club.
Now is not the time to lose MR, we need some stability and allow the changes he's made to reach maturity.
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue
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Everyone bangs on about playoffs like it’s the promised land, even if we got in the playoffs, we’d only have to draw Accrington and we’d be back in L2 for another year.
fernandopartridge
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Bravo
skybluetony176
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The worrying thing is that SP, TM and now MR’s have had to rebuild the scouting and recruiting network. What keeps happening to it?
Hasn’t Robins also said he’s had to allocate some of the playing budget on Ryton maintenance? Something Mowbray also had to do.
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Managers leave and take their work with them, in all probability.
(A reason to give a manager time so he doesn't do that, of course!)
rupert_bear
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I’ll ask a question are we in a better position now than we were when Mark Robins was appointed ?
Captain Dart
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and Coleman.. these players are right slobs. I blame Oggy.
steve82
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I did a post in the summer summarising the stats on this. I don't know how to link it but it's was called League two stats.
The answer is tho....Since the leagues rebranding to league two in 2004/05 season the stats on sides bouncing back from relegation to league one are...
Champions....
Of the sides relegated from league one in the last 12 seasons only 2 sides have bounced back up as champions, Swindon in 11/12 season and Walsall 06/07.
Runners up.....
3 sides have bounced back up as runners up, Hartlepool in 06/07 season, (to Walsall see above) Scunthorpe in 13/14 season and Shrewsbury in 14/15 season
3rd spot....
3 sides have finished 3rd in the final automatic spot Swindon in 06/07 (3rd to Walsall 1st, and Hartlepool 2nd) Wycombe in 10/11 and Doncaster after leading the league for most the season, 16/17 season
Playoff success....
2 sides have won promotion via the play offs, Blackpool 16/17 season and Gillingham 08/09
In the last 12 seasons of the 48 clubs relegated from league one only 10 have immediately returned to league one the following season and in 5 seasons no relegated side bounced back up the next season. It's either us or Swindon gonna fail to keep the stats ticking over this season.
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steve82
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Some other stats to consider...
2nd season success....
In the last 12 seasons 7 sides won promotion in their second season in league two year after relegation from league one.
MK Dons relegated 05/06 promoted 07/08(1st)
Brentford relegated 06/07 promoted 08/09(1st)
Bournemouth relegated 07/08 promoted 9/10(2nd)
Crewe relegated 08/09 promoted 10/11 playoff winners
Chesterfield relegated 11/12 promoted 13/14(1st)
Rochdale relegated 11/11 promoted 13/14(3rd)
Bury relegated 12/13 promoted 14/15(3rd)
Of them 12 seasons 17 of the 48 relegated clubs went back up in the next two seasons.
2nd season success....
In the last 12 seasons 7 sides won promotion in their second season in league two year after relegation from league one.
MK Dons relegated 05/06 promoted 07/08(1st)
Brentford relegated 06/07 promoted 08/09(1st)
Bournemouth relegated 07/08 promoted 9/10(2nd)
Crewe relegated 08/09 promoted 10/11 playoff winners
Chesterfield relegated 11/12 promoted 13/14(1st)
Rochdale relegated 11/11 promoted 13/14(3rd)
Bury relegated 12/13 promoted 14/15(3rd)
Of them 12 seasons 17 of the 48 relegated clubs went back up in the next two seasons.
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Fancy finding out how many of those clubs went up with the same manager who started in harge of their first season down...?
steve82
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Fancy finding out how many of those clubs went up with the same manager who started in harge of their first season down...?
I'm in work tonight at 9 so I'll take a look unless someone does in the mean time.
Interesting stat to consider tho.
Otis
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Though this poll is overwhelming in favour of not sacking Robins on this occasion.
Otis
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Thanks for the stats, Steve, but unfortunately Coventry City are quite unique and you have to take into consideration the pattern of our struggling in the Premier (old first division), then going down to the Championship, before then struggling and then getting relegated, then going down to League One and struggling and getting relegated and now down to League Two.
No top 6 finish in the Championship, no top 6 finish in League One.
I think there are an awful lot of City fans who are believing that next season it may well be midtable for us and then after, struggles near the bottom.
This is Coventry City and this is a clear pattern.
Nice to see the facts and stats of the league and other teams and I'm sure a lot of them made a better first of it after going down, the second and third seasons etc.
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that next season the Sky Blues will challenge. We were expected to this season and have, but next season I do believe will be a lot tougher and we could well be swallowed up within the pack.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if in two or three years time we all look back and say that this season right now was our big chance.
New ownership might of course change this pattern, but that just hasn't looked at all likely has it.
No guarantee whatsoever that we will come back stronger next season, or the season after that.
We were third favourites to go up this season and Robins said we were the best team in the league. I'm sure next season will be tougher and the crowds will drop. Because this is Coventry City and there has been no league success of any note at all for so, so long, I think our crowds could suffer a lot worse than most other clubs down here.
We know people are peed off with the owners and we know fans are peed off with the lack of success.
It's a recipe for ever tumbling attendances.
Those stats only paint part of the picture.
steve82
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I agree the stats should be used loosely cover the fortunes of ccfc but are reflective of the league.
Be interesting tho that if us or Swindon fail to get promotion then of 52 clubs relegated in 13 seasons only 10 did it at the first attempt and 18 in two seasons and 7 seasons of the 13 no club went up in two seasons in the league.
Stats are tight before you say it's ccfc involved.
How's this stat for you then......
In those 12 seasons of sides initially relegated from league one, 8 sides are now non league clubs they are:- Torquay, Wrexham, Hartlepool, Dagenham, Tranmere, Leyton Orient, Stockport and Hereford.
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Otis
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Let's hope we're not added to that list anytime soon.
Otis
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But then in turn, if the problem isn't the manager then what difference does it make giving the manager a few years to build something?
Surely the immoveable object that is preventing progression is still there in place.
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Less cash wasted on paying off all the contracts.
Less cash wasted paying off all the players not wanted by the new manager.
Less cash wasted having to pay over the odds because players aren't secure about their long-term hopes, given they know the bloke who signs them won't be there for very long.
Less cash wasted on admin ploughing through all of the football manager applications each time there's a vacancy.
Otis
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If it's about less cash why don't you just say so?
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...and then that cash can be used elsewhere, leading to better club management, as it's targeted to where it's needed rather than buying off the past 11,000 managers we've had in the week, therefore enabing better conditions for all employees, with consequent upturn...
SlowerThanPlatt
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I’ve just posted this in the other thread because I don’t understand the posters who say next season we should sign ‘experienced players’. Didn’t we do exactly that this season?
Our most selected team is:
Burge
Grimmer (signed by Robins)
Willis
McDonald (signed by Robins)
Stokes
Doyle (signed by Robins)
Kelly (signed by Robins)
Vincenti (signed by Robins)/Shipley
Jones
Biamou (signed by Robins)
McNulty (signed by Robins)
The reason why ‘kids’ like Shipley have been in the team is because Robins own signing in Vincenti hasn’t been good enough and is the preferred option. Are we saying Robins failed in his recruitment then this season?
Our most selected team is:
Burge
Grimmer (signed by Robins)
Willis
McDonald (signed by Robins)
Stokes
Doyle (signed by Robins)
Kelly (signed by Robins)
Vincenti (signed by Robins)/Shipley
Jones
Biamou (signed by Robins)
McNulty (signed by Robins)
The reason why ‘kids’ like Shipley have been in the team is because Robins own signing in Vincenti hasn’t been good enough and is the preferred option. Are we saying Robins failed in his recruitment then this season?
steve82
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I'd buy your point if Vincenti was deployed on the left... Vincenti always played on the right since JJ got injured as they both rotated during games
letsallsingtogether
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Yes we were in a religation battle.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Do you not agree we already have lots of experienced players?
Did Robins fail with recruitment in the summer then if next season we need to bring in ‘experienced players’ again when he’s already had the chance?
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He has with some, undoubtedly.
Then again, every manager does. More noticable when changing the team around pretty drastically, mind. We've got Burge, Stokes and Willis out there from last season atm, so that's a pretty big olume to get in.
But yeah, the good thing in the summer was we went for players adapted to this level, rather than square pegs in round holes. Would be happy with similar this summer too rather than going for the unmotivated failures from higher up the ladder.
Sick Boy
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I'm sorry to say that I agree, Gary Mac said there was something wrong with the club when he was manager and that has never gone away. I have no idea what it is but we seem to be destined to be fail at whatever level we find ourselves at.
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It was the one thing McGinnity got right, the need to change that. Shame that when he lucked into getting a manager who'd started to, the eejit and Robinson listened to buffoons who thought they knew better!
steve82
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I think we're far better balanced this year with experienced types in age and games terms than last year say.
Are we still short of "experience" in certain areas then I'd say yes. Max Biamou is 27 but isn't what id class as experienced for L2.
For me we've been unlucky with injuries and one or two not playing to the form they were signed on like Vincenti but scratch the surface with injuries and your down to our kids as opposed to other clubs who either have youth loans so same thing or a average squad of experienced players from L2 or conference.
Take our injuries into consideration and we're down to....
Shipley aged 20 in the squad 23 times played in 18 games
DeKE aged 21 in the squad 16 times played in 13 games
Ponticelli aged 19 in the squad 20 times played in 10 games
Haynes aged 22 in the squad 15 times played in 10 games
Bayliss aged 18 in the squad 12 times played in 9 games
Stevenson aged 20 in the squad 19 times played in 5 games
DiKE aged 21 in the squad 7 times played in 2 games
To name a few from the academy that have featured in just the league this year. Now some are a success like Bayliss who has been fathered by Doyle, Shipley, who been ok not let anyone down and then your left disappointed with Haynes, Kelly-evans twins... and Ponticelli who's not quite ready.
ccfcway
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don't worry about that, SISU guaranteed us that one.
ccfcway
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Robins first game as ccfc manager line up
---------------------Burge---------------------
Foley-----Clarke--- Turnbull-----Stokes
-----Thomas---Stevenson---Reilly------
----K Thomas----Beavon---Vernam-----
our strongest team with Robins signings
---------------------Burge---------------------
Grimmer----Willis--- McDonald---Stokes
------------Doyle-------Kelly ----------------
------------------Andreu----------------------
----Jones------Beavon-----McNulty-----
I'd say we are stronger now. Solid defence (GK an exception) with some pace and creativity.
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See, I look at those figures and think they're about right. If those players are to make a career in league football and get experience, they have to play some time!
FWIW I think we've got the balance about right this season. What we maybe don't have is too many leaders on the pitch who can bark at you, but those players can be young, old, middle-aged...