His system of play you refer to is something the pro MR brigade don’t mention. It’s negative and doesn’t attract new support in fact it’s driving people away against Accrington for example with all the kids watching we had one shot, a free kick on target it’s no better than what the Andy Thorne, Mark Venus or Russell Slade dished up. He has to change or go.
No i genuinely do not think it fanciful that staying down would be a disaster if we are competitive. 18 months is NOT long enough to judge a manager. Give him 3 years with license to fail for 2 of those. If he is still making the mistakes after 3 years then enough will be enough. It's not a mad scramble to get out of this league at all costs, we need a proper rebuild even if it takes time.
I know all teams pick up injuries but I think some people conveniently ignore the impact of losing both Jones and Andreu.
Agree, but they both happened early on, so he has had time to address that and besides, though I agree Jones was a massive player for us, we really have no idea if the same was going to be the case with Andreu.
I think it's an admirable approach if you're putting in a structure for a club to succeed beyond its means, for it to perform above its natural level. But we are cleary below ours. You make it sound like all that rebuilding is a linear route to success on the pitch but we are not losing to teams with better players.
Signed after the season had already started and injured on his 2nd league start. It's not like we based our whole season around him and everything we'd worked on pre-season suddenly went out the window. A loss for sure but not irrecoverable.
Unless we have a great finish to this season and go really close, I would say it's an odds on certainty that crowds will go down next season.
Obviously if we do well attendances will rise. I was actual meant about the uptake in ST's. That will be lower I think and therefore will have an affect on the quality of player we can bring in.
The bigger debate is, should MR be sacked if we finish 8th this season and then 8th next season? Obviously not, IMO. If we finish 20th in either season, that's a very different matter but provided we're competitive I am happy to see him given the sort of time that Coleman was given, ideally longer. Sooner or later you need to try the alternative to the "let's not sack the manager in a panic after a bad run" approach; let's face it, that approach hasn't really worked out for us over the years....
I wouldn't call that failure, I'd call that "being reasonably competitive". Even if I agreed with your definition of "failure", I wouldn't sack someone for narrowly (as implied by 8th place) missing the play-offs twice in a row. I'd give the guy two free seasons with no expectations, "a license to fail" you might call it. What's the harm that can be done?
Fine margins isn't it. Pipped at the post in 8th is quite a bit different from 7 points adrift in 8th.
Arguably a lot more. I have been in my job for 10.5 years but I am still learning and have a lot to learn. At times I struggled but was supported rather than fired for under-performance. That made me a better employee and more valuable one than if I'd been fired and they'd had to train someone else from scratch. The business benefitted from that in the long run.
Sorry Captain but if you don't find those stats impressive then you won't get much better. Overall win% of 48% over two spells is brilliant. Even 47% this season will be very hard to beat if we recruit someone else. Just look at our other managers' records (ranked from highest win % to lowest) for more details:
I just don't see how he can be viewed as under-performing. Yes we've lost 3 in a row in the league but all teams go through bad patches. We've got no divine right to be top of the league but he's worked hard to ensure we're in contention and will in the play-off mix. It's not critical / urgent that we go up this season - just let the bloke do his job.
You are looking at the wrong managers. Look at genuinely successful managers in their promotion seasons, those are the stats needed.
Were you doing the exact same role for that 10.5 years where you were the leader of a team of your own selection in a business that would likely have to downsize if you didn't achieve your targets? That's where we'll be at the end of next season.
OK fair enough but I do think that a relevant question would be "given CCFC's history of manager recruitment, are we likely to get a manager with a higher win% than MR?"
I don't agree with that and haven't seen any evidence to back it up.
Indeed, however my question above still applies. Given the environment and our track record with mangers, how likely is that someone would do better than 47% win ratio? So far, nobody has.
