Spy Poisoning (6 Viewers)

[SkyblueBazza]

Do you think politicians who delete off social media have something to hide?

Personally no. I think they offer a knee jerk response to boost their ego & true beliefs. Retracting stuff shows a. The reaction was keen jerk & b. Indicates their true thoughts & c. They shouldn't be in office

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[martcov]

Don't single BoJo out...he is a politician. They are ALL liars. The only question is the depth & seriousness of the lie (s)

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To a degree, but Boris has been sacked for lying in the past and in this case he is making statements which go well beyond merely affecting the UK at home. That is very serious.

 

[martcov]

Enough said!!!

Expressed socialist views no doubt...but actual right wing leanings.

Almost Blairite. And his claim to fame was...WMD!

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I mean right wing and I do know what right wing is.

And I don’t know where Blairite comes into it and I don’t know what friends I am supposed to have according to Grendel’s post.

I mentioned the countries backing Russia and the 17 abstentions in the recent vote about the inquiry. Which means the case is far from „closed“ as Grendel claimed. The vote was definitely not unanimous as he also claimed.

Whether or not our reaction was right, Corbyn does have a valid point about waiting for proof. That is why we need an opposition.

I think it will never be proved conclusively, but we have shown that Putin can expect a reaction to Russians being killed in mysterious ways. Whether it was the right thing to do is another question.

The independent test results will be interesting and the follow on from that, including the results from the inquiry.

 

[clint van damme]

I mean right wing and I do know what right wing is.

And I don’t know where Blairite comes into it and I don’t know what friends I am supposed to have according to Grendel’s post.

I mentioned the countries backing Russia and the 17 abstentions in the recent vote about the inquiry. Which means the case is far from „closed“ as Grendel claimed. The vote was definitely not unanimous as he also claimed.

Whether or not our reaction was right, Corbyn does have a valid point about waiting for proof. That is why we need an opposition.

I think it will never be proved conclusively, but we have shown that Putin can expect a reaction to Russians being killed in mysterious ways. Whether it was the right thing to do is another question.

The independent test results will be interesting and the follow on from that, including the results from the inquiry.

the point here is that countries that backed us, and expelled Russian diplomats, did so based on a lie, probably by our foreign secretary, or if not, by the Ministry of defence . That is going to both piss them off and give Russia a huge propaganda opportunity.

 

[Grendel]

the point here is that countries that backed us, and expelled Russian diplomats, did so based on a lie, probably by our foreign secretary, or if not, by the Ministry of defence . That is going to both piss them off and give Russia a huge propaganda opportunity.

They didn’t just suspend them over a tweet

 

[clint van damme]

They didn’t just suspend them over a tweet

Of course not, but how big a part did Boris's assertion that the nerve agent was definitely made in Russia play. Porton Down are now saying they never said that.
Either way we are looking foolish on the world stage once more.

 

[Grendel]

Of course not, but how big a part did Boris's assertion that the nerve agent was definitely made in Russia play. Porton Down are now saying they never said that.
Either way we are looking foolish on the world stage once more.

Very small and largely irrelevant

Hardly foolish at all Putin was using some conciliatory language saying it’s all getting out of hand and this could be a major coup for May who looks at her strongest since she stated office.

Corbyn meanwhile is the first leader in my memory who is using confidential and privileged information in a grubby attempt at political gain. I said many months ago the allowing of such information to the leader of the opposition should be removed as Corbyn is a clear and present danger to national security.

Sadly I have been proved right

 

[clint van damme]

Very small and largely irrelevant

Hardly foolish at all Putin was using some conciliatory language saying it’s all getting out of hand and this could be a major coup for May who looks at her strongest since she stated office.

Corbyn meanwhile is the first leader in my memory who is using confidential and privileged information in a grubby attempt at political gain. I said many months ago the allowing of such information to the leader of the opposition should be removed as Corbyn is a clear and present danger to national security.

Sadly I have been proved right

the Foreign Secretary lying is "small and largely irrelevant". In your world maybe.

 

[martcov]

Very small and largely irrelevant

Hardly foolish at all Putin was using some conciliatory language saying it’s all getting out of hand and this could be a major coup for May who looks at her strongest since she stated office.

Corbyn meanwhile is the first leader in my memory who is using confidential and privileged information in a grubby attempt at political gain. I said many months ago the allowing of such information to the leader of the opposition should be removed as Corbyn is a clear and present danger to national security.

Sadly I have been proved right

Interesting. What confidential information and how has he used it? Is the information that we don’t have proof and are just bluffing? If we have proof, is Corbyn lying by saying we need proof? How do you know about him using confidential information for his own benefit?

 

[martcov]

the Foreign Secretary lying is "small and largely irrelevant". In your world maybe.

We have a known liar, a cheat in his love life, a man known for being tactless and non diplomatic, as chief diplomat of the UK. For me it is a bizarre situation. Even in an era where a dodgy real estate family with money laundering connections run the USA, and Russia is run as a cleptocracy by an ex KGB stooge. We live in crazy times.

 

[Grendel]

Interesting. What confidential information and how has he used it? Is the information that we don’t have proof and are just bluffing? If we have proof, is Corbyn lying by saying we need proof? How do you know about him using confidential information for his own benefit?

Because the government have said there is other information and Corbyn has said that himself

 

[Grendel]

Also the Russians communications are somewhat blurred. The laboratory says it’s not it’s job to say where the agent comes from and the Russian foreign minister has tweeted saying that they have confirmed it’s said the nerve agent was not produced in Russia.

Also the term highly likely doesn’t have the same interpretation in Russia.

 

[martcov]

Because the government have said there is other information and Corbyn has said that himself

How has he used it? He says we need more information. Our scientists‘ says they cannot pinpoint Russia on their tests alone. If Corbyn doesn’t think the government have enough, how do you know who is right on that?

 

[Grendel]

How has he used it? He says we need more information. Our scientists‘ says they cannot pinpoint Russia on their tests alone. If Corbyn doesn’t think the government have enough, how do you know who is right on that?

Leaders have a duty to preserve national unity as Michael Foot did in the Falklands Crises. Corbyn is a security risk and needs to be removed from the privy council

 

[martcov]

Leaders have a duty to preserve national unity as Michael Foot did in the Falklands Crises. Corbyn is a security risk and needs to be removed from the privy council

How has he breached security? Also, we have a democracy and the opposition is expected to hold the government to account. We are not at war with Russia and the situation is not as clear cut as you like to state. Maybe we were right. Putin is my chief suspect, but at the moment he can still point the finger and say „prove it“. If you prefer the Putin system, then you will of course be for removing the irritating critic, in this case Corbyn.

 

[Grendel]

How has he breached security? Also, we have a democracy and the opposition is expected to hold the government to account. We are not at war with Russia and the situation is not as clear cut as you like to state. Maybe we were right. Putin is my chief suspect, but at the moment he can still point the finger and say „prove it“. If you prefer the Putin system, then you will of course be for removing the irritating critic, in this case Corbyn.

This is beyond your pay grade clearly

 

[martcov]

This is beyond your pay grade clearly

Apparently beyond your paygrade as you cannot explain yourself.

 

[Grendel]

Apparently beyond your paygrade as you cannot explain yourself.

I’ve explained myself several times. Sharing privy council information is a privilege which shows actions the government are taking.if an opposition leader has concerns these are expressed in private in times where there is a dispute with a foreign power.

Michael Foot is relevant as this is the stance he took. Jeremy Corbyn in the other hand has shown himself to have affiliations with people who blow up uk citizens. Therefore he should not be allowed this privilege as he can use it to benefit states and individuals the national security forces view as a threat.

His whole purpose in this dialogue is political and it is it irresponsible

 

[martcov]

I’ve explained myself several times. Sharing privy council information is a privilege which shows actions the government are taking.if an opposition leader has concerns these are expressed in private in times where there is a dispute with a foreign power.

Michael Foot is relevant as this is the stance he took. Jeremy Corbyn in the other hand has shown himself to have affiliations with people who blow up uk citizens. Therefore he should not be allowed this privilege as he can use it to benefit states and individuals the national security forces view as a threat.

His whole purpose in this dialogue is political and it is it irresponsible /QUOTE]

Corbyn is saying we need more proof.

BoJo is making out that we can prove that the nerve agent was manufactured in and came to the UK from Russia and that our scientists had indeed proved that.

Now the scientists are denying that they can prove it came from Russia.

His whole purpose in this dialogue is political and it is it irresponsible.

BoJo has presumably privy council access, but is making false claims.

Who is worse?

 

[Grendel]

As I said totally beyond you. Shame when presented with proof at an old Bailey trial Mr Corbyn was arrested for protesting about the conviction of a murderer on British soil.

Corbyn is meddling abd strengthening Russia’s position whereas every ally is looking to end this bullying tyrants behaviour Corbyn seems to enjoy encouraging it.

Scientists aren’t denying anything

Perhaps you’d like to answer my question about the suspect in the Litvenko case now.

 

[skybluetony176]

Because the government have said there is other information and Corbyn has said that himself

So the government said something and Corbyn said the same. Where's the issue exactly? This is sounding like the Corbyn handing secrets over nonsense again when the "secret" was a photo copy of an article that appeared in the British press.

And if you think Corbyn is the only politician to use confidential and privileged information in a grubby attempt at political gain then you really are lost.

 

[Grendel]

So the government said something and Corbyn said the same. Where's the issue exactly? This is sounding like the Corbyn handing secrets over nonsense again when the "secret" was a photo copy of an article that appeared in the British press.

And if you think Corbyn is the only politician to use confidential and privileged information in a grubby attempt at political gain then you really are lost.

Hello Tony. Refreshing to see you’ve found a new friend in Jeremy. What did Nigel ever do to offend you?

It’s a state engineered act Tony - everyone agreed on that - other than Mr Corbyn.

I’ve never known someone use privy council information in such a public way.

I’m sure like Martcov I asked you a direct question on this thread and - like Martcov - you’ve ignored it. I’ll go back and check.

 

[skybluetony176]

As I said totally beyond you. Shame when presented with proof at an old Bailey trial Mr Corbyn was arrested for protesting about the conviction of a murderer on British soil.

Corbyn is meddling abd strengthening Russia’s position whereas every ally is looking to end this bullying tyrants behaviour Corbyn seems to enjoy encouraging it.

Scientists aren’t denying anything

Perhaps you’d like to answer my question about the suspect in the Litvenko case now.

Ha ha ha, Litvinenko. The then Home Secretary now PM didn't even want an inquiry into it Diplomacy a factor in ex-spy ruling

Explain that one.

 

[Grendel]

Ha ha ha, Litvinenko. The then Home Secretary now PM didn't even want an inquiry into it Diplomacy a factor in ex-spy ruling

Explain that one.

As a leader she’s far more able to act in her own way rather than be ruled by the dribbling europhile masquerading as a Tory Cameron - that ones easy Tony

 

[skybluetony176]

Hello Tony. Refreshing to see you’ve found a new friend in Jeremy. What did Nigel ever do to offend you?

It’s a state engineered act Tony - everyone agreed on that - other than Mr Corbyn.

I’ve never known someone use privy council information in such a public way.

I’m sure like Martcov I asked you a direct question on this thread and - like Martcov - you’ve ignored it. I’ll go back and check.

Apart from all the insults which only confirms that you are talking bollocks for you to know that Corbyn has used privy council information in that way you would have to know what information the privy council has shared with the opposition and that's above your pay grade so stop talking bollocks. What we do know is that someone has been inventing information from the privy council so if abuse of the privy council is the bee in your bonnet why not have something to say about Boris.

 

[Grendel]

Apart from all the insults which only confirms that you are talking bollocks for you to know that Corbyn has used privy council information in that way you would have to know what information the privy council has shared with the opposition and that's above your pay grade so stop talking bollocks. What we do know is that someone has been inventing information from the privy council so if abuse of the privy council is the bee in your bonnet why not have something to say about Boris.

Insults? So you weren’t dishing them out left right and centre to Astute yesterday?

Now what was that question....something to do with Zionism and research.....

 

[skybluetony176]

As a leader she’s far more able to act in her own way rather than be ruled by the dribbling europhile masquerading as a Tory Cameron - that ones easy Tony

So what you're saying then is that May has told Boris to lie, Boris is innocent and it's May pulling the strings that should come into questioning for Boris's untruths.

 

[skybluetony176]

Insults? So you weren’t dishing them out left right and centre to Astute yesterday?

Now what was that question....something to do with Zionism and research.....

I didn't insult him. I didn't name call. I asked him to go and find out for himself about the difference between anti zionist and anti semetic and challenged him to define most Jews when there are so many factions and faction among factions of Jews all with different views. He was lumping them all in one pot when talking about the opinions of one set of jews. It's like assuming that protestants go to confessions, bow to the pope and all protestant church leader have a vow of celibacy. All Christians but Christians with apposing views. Not that I'd expect you to understand that.

 

[martcov]

As I said totally beyond you. Shame when presented with proof at an old Bailey trial Mr Corbyn was arrested for protesting about the conviction of a murderer on British soil.

Corbyn is meddling abd strengthening Russia’s position whereas every ally is looking to end this bullying tyrants behaviour Corbyn seems to enjoy encouraging it.

Scientists aren’t denying anything

Perhaps you’d like to answer my question about the suspect in the Litvenko case now.

Not talking about the Old bailey. Corbyn says we don't have enough proof. Russia wanted a joint inquiry. We didn't. 15 countries shared our opinion. 6 shared Russia's opinion and 17 abstained. Not clear that everyone supports us. Our allies do, which is reassuring, but not evidence that we are right in our accusation.

Scientists are saying that we cannot identify the nerve agent as being Russian. BoJo said they could do that. Work it out.

I answered your question long ago. The inquiry is specific and is about Salisbury. So, no I don't expect Russia to suddenly offer us somebody from another case. I expect us to get to the bottom of what happened in Salisbury, and if at all possible, to show clear proof of what happened and who did it.

 

[wingy]

Is It not time Yulia had a press conference ,the British press normally turn up at every car crash ?

 

[Captain Dart]

Is It not time Yulia had a press conference ,the British press normally turn up at every car crash ?

Russians have published a recording of a call she's supposed to have made to her cousin, presumably her cousin is being bugged. Nice.

Yulia Skripal: I'm getting stronger daily

 

[wingy]

Russians have published a recording of a call she's supposed to have made to her cousin, presumably her cousin is being bugged. Nice.

Yulia Skripal: I'm getting stronger daily

Sounds a bit curious ,no irrepairable damage, the dad just having a sleep?

 

[Captain Dart]

Sounds a bit curious ,no irrepairable damage, the dad just having a sleep?

Nothing can be taken at face value. Both Governments are speaking to their people, its not intelligence its propaganda.

 

[wingy]

Nothing can be taken at face value. Both Governments are speaking to their people, its not intelligence its propaganda.

Even some specialists are saying our GOVT will have to share more info ,somehow without compromise to other Countries and us .

 

[Otis]

Sounds a bit curious ,no irrepairable damage, the dad just having a sleep?

Sounds like when he DOES die Russia can claim that he was recovering just fine and then we must have killed him.