skybluetony176
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Again try reading the JLR statement in full that I have already linked. It covers ALL the reasons for the job losses. Maybe you think JLR are lying.
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Grendel
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I love it when you attempt patronising Tony. It’s like Hale and Pace mocking Morecombe and Wise.
The problem is you are not very good at it. I’ve shared my views with those mature enough to absorb the information.
skybluetony176
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You’ve denied what your employer has said (or unaware as its above your pay grade) even when a link has been provided and the direct quote has been copied and pasted for your benefit. You’ve done the equivalent of the flat earth society bragging that they have members all around the globe.
I haven’t patronised astute. I’ve just pointed out what he’s repeatedly missed. Maybe when you have the maturity to understand what patronising means you’ll understand that. Still not being patronising because you regularly fail to understand what the big words you use mean while trying to look intelligent.
If you are bored and can translate this article, you could see some reasons. It explains how this guy Resch operates, and how he blackmails companies including Daimler who he used to work for as environment consultant. The article is a bit Daily Mail style, but has quotes from other sources, so has some truth although it compares the organisation to Nazis. It seems he is an axxehole and doing very well out of his activities, but he is basically right that we should make the air cleaner. His methods are dubious and his solutions not necessarily the right ones. His next targets are petrol and electric cars. The guy is a megalomaniac.
Note: EIKE is itself dubious as a climate change denier. They obviously hate Resch.
Die dubiosen Machenschaften der Deutschen Umwelthilfe und ihres Führers Jürgen Resch
Grendel
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There aren’t any JLR job losses Tony
samccov1987
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I work for jlr and think the Brexit comment is a bit of a cheap shot by management to put pressure on the government over a trade deal with the eu.
Theres two big issues that have caused these job losses.
1. Diesel as already debated
2. Castle Brom plant is producing saloons which no one wants. JLR have permanent employees with no work whilst they have agency at Solihull producing the disco, f pace, Range Rover which are still selling. Halewood has the high volume evoque and disco sport.
Castle broms future is in serious doubt especially with the new cheaper cost Slovakia plant nearly on line, contract manufacturers in Austria & joint ventures in China.
The blame for this sits with our governments handling on diesel, the eu for subsidising new manufacturing sites in Eastern Europe and JLR management for leaving castle brom with dying model types.
As usual the workers suffer
Theres two big issues that have caused these job losses.
1. Diesel as already debated
2. Castle Brom plant is producing saloons which no one wants. JLR have permanent employees with no work whilst they have agency at Solihull producing the disco, f pace, Range Rover which are still selling. Halewood has the high volume evoque and disco sport.
Castle broms future is in serious doubt especially with the new cheaper cost Slovakia plant nearly on line, contract manufacturers in Austria & joint ventures in China.
The blame for this sits with our governments handling on diesel, the eu for subsidising new manufacturing sites in Eastern Europe and JLR management for leaving castle brom with dying model types.
As usual the workers suffer
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Well said. The government have really fucked up with the diesel statement. It’s confused customers and permanently damaged the uk car market. Jlr has virtually all diesel models which are fuel efficient and EU6 compliant.
Astute
Well-Known Member
So what Brexit reason was given?
Grendel
Well-Known Member
There wasn’t. The uncertainty was classed as a headwind
Astute
Well-Known Member
The word Brexit was used. But the truth is it is all about a crash in diesel car sales. So yet again what is the Brexit problem you keep mentioning?
Astute
Well-Known Member
We all know that. Tony also knows it. It is all in black and white. Mart has said what the problem is. And he lives in Germany where it is becoming a problem. And the link I put up backs up what he says.
But Tony tries to say it is Brexit. Not a surprise in the slightest.
Grendel
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skybluetony176
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As it says in their statement and I’ve said already. It surrounds tariffs and the uncertainty that could have on their bottom line. It’s all in their statement. If you read it you won’t have to keep asking me, you’ll have it direct from the horses mouth.
skybluetony176
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You really don’t read anything do you. I’ve said brexit has something to do with it to someone who says it has nothing to do with it. Again why don’t you read the link I’ve provided to the statement. I accept the statement in its entirety and haven’t said anything different. It’s you who is having trouble with selective reading not me.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Surely you would write it of the headline alone. According to you there aren’t any JLR job losses.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Read the article and also the other guy whose posted on here - educate yourself
Astute
Well-Known Member
You don't have selective reading?
Sales are seriously down. That is because 90% of the cars they make are diesels. This has nothing to do with Brexit. They have not got rid of 1,000 temp jobs because of Brexit. But they will want to use Brexit to take a bit of heat off them for not planning right.
So I ask you again. How is Brexit at fault for the loss of jobs? If you was right for once there would be massive job losses right through the country just in case Brexit went bad.
New UKIP leader announces plans to quit
UKIP‘s latest leader. Gerard Batten.
I found this old blog describing him:
Gerard - BATTEN MEP: UKIP MEP Gerard Batten is a laughing stock
The writer stood for election as UKIP candidate and then saw their lies and corruption. He is still a leave fanatic, but has nothing more to with UKIP.
UKIP‘s latest leader. Gerard Batten.
I found this old blog describing him:
Gerard - BATTEN MEP: UKIP MEP Gerard Batten is a laughing stock
The writer stood for election as UKIP candidate and then saw their lies and corruption. He is still a leave fanatic, but has nothing more to with UKIP.
Astute
Well-Known Member
BTW who was it written by?
The name is there and the pseudonym..... ( my leaver brother )
Astute
Well-Known Member
What name? So who wrote it?
UKIP was a good thing to happen. It took many of the votes away from the BNP. Even people that have come here to live voted UKIP. But once the BNP were taken off the political radar of course some of them went to UKIP. Now there is no need for UKIP.
What you have posted was their new leader who said he will only do it for a year. Then somebody having a rant like they do on here.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Who cares?
Only difference being that the rant from someone in the know who had worked for them in Brussels. Just showing the character of UKIP who hopefully will vanish back to being a small right wing party as BNP was.
I don’t like any of them.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
They'll probably reinvent themselves as some kind of anti-Islam party in the long-term. Did the BNP ever get a significant number of votes? I'd have thought that most of those going to UKIP would have been Tory voters.
Not sure Farage's dog whistle racist politics should ever be described as a good thing.
We shall see at the municipals, but I sincerely hope that these scum are shown to be what they were and obliterated at the elections. Millions voted for these people in parliamentary elections and European elections and believed their lies. Some still do and admire UKIP. Sick- regardless of being leave or remain.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
I’ve read it and here’s where we’re at.
You say there are no job losses and to provide a link to an article that says that there are job losses.
On top of that you claim it has nothing to do with Brexit seemingly unaware that your employees have released a statement that says it has something to do with Brexit.
You seem very lost on this and completely out the loop. I’m going to call BS on your self proclaimed importance at JLR.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
No Tony I said there were no job losses to JLR employees which is a correct statement.
The article I posted - which bizarrely even your Euro chum liked - was a sensible and accurate article. Most other posters - employees and not - who have actually commented on this are pretty much all in agreement.
The statement didn’t blame Brexit which I and others have repeatedly pointed out and one poster offered a very reasoned argument about that.
It seems you are last man standing Tony on this one.
Astute
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Who is it then? For all I know it is you. But you say you know who it is....
Astute
Well-Known Member
Are you saying that UKIP is as bad as the BNP?
Astute
Well-Known Member
How is it that you can read something and read something totally different than everyone else?
Oh yes you are trying to make it into an anti Brexit article.
You post a link where you say the person who wrote it is named where they are not. You say that there are job losses at JLR because of Brexit when it is because of them selling 90% diesel engines to their cars when EU rules are stopping people from driving them in certain cities and bringing out even more rules against them. And they are getting hit with higher tax rates.
Then you expect us to take you seriously.
The BNP lost members to UKIP. I read on their site years ago that people ( their members ) shouldn’t fall UKIP‘s BS. They knew then that UKIP was a threat and were proven right.
I do know the person.. I told you it is my leaver brother. He is qualified in law and worked as a research assistant in Brussels for UKIP. It ended in tears. He uncovered a lot of things and got accused of being a whistle blower ( someone else was at the time). He now hates part of UKIP, in particular the lying hypocrital gravy trainers that he ended up being involved with.
He is standing for election as a Tory in May.
He is still a right wing swivel eyed leaver. Just not UKIP.
We don’t talk to each other.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I would say so, presumably you don't.
“islam is a cancer that needs eradicating multiculturism does not work in this country clear them all off to the desert with their camals that’s their way of life.”
“I visiting the city of Birmingham recently and felt like a foreigner in the city of my birth, all around me I could hear the sound of jabbering in an alien voice … we also have the Pakistani’ and the Somali’s. Tell me Mr Cameron Why? the men wear their Pyjamas.”
Grendel
Well-Known Member
I can find similar quotes from Labour Party members to be fair.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Well the article you linked that you told me would educate me said says JLR job losses. Either you or the article are incorrect as you contradict each other. I let you decide which way around it is as it’s doesn’t bother me either way.
The JLR statement didn’t blame brexit in isolation but then again I’ve never suggested it did. You said it has nothing to do with Brexit. All I’ve actually done is point out is that it says it has something to do with Brexit. Again, either your statement or the JLR statement is incorrect as you contradict each other. Again I’ll let you decide which as it doesn’t bother me either way.
All I’ve done is point out the contradictions between your opinions and a statement from your employer and an article that you’ve linked. It’s all there in black and white.