The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (76 Viewers)

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

martcov

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The most well-connected Pub Landlord ever.

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Why? Because I quoted a blog from my brother from 2012. it was actually about the new Führer of UKIP. Says a lot about the Leader and the party who voted for him.

Funnily enough, the pub is only a part of my business, but I do actually meet a lot people through it and my other business. Not saying that makes me well connected, but I meet a cross section of people through my travels.
 

skybluetony176

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You blamed it.on Brexit. Or you said they blamed it on Brexit. Yet you either can't or won't say why Brexit is to blame.

So what in the statement blamed Brexit like you are trying to make out?

No I didn’t. I corrected someone who said it had NOTHING to do with Brexit by linking the JLR statement in full where it clearly states it has SOMETHING to do with Brexit. I’ve never blamed it on anything or dismissed anything. The rest is your imagination and haste to jump on me without actually reading what I've said or read anything I’ve linked.
 

Astute

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No I didn’t. I corrected someone who said it had NOTHING to do with Brexit by linking the JLR statement in full where it clearly states it has SOMETHING to do with Brexit. I’ve never blamed it on anything or dismissed anything. The rest is your imagination and haste to jump on me without actually reading what I've said or read anything I’ve linked.
So yet again.....in what way is Brexit to blame?
 

Grendel

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No I didn’t. I corrected someone who said it had NOTHING to do with Brexit by linking the JLR statement in full where it clearly states it has SOMETHING to do with Brexit. I’ve never blamed it on anything or dismissed anything. The rest is your imagination and haste to jump on me without actually reading what I've said or read anything I’ve linked.

Do you think that all statements are fully revealing facts Tony?
 

SkyblueBazza

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Why? Because I quoted a blog from my brother from 2012. it was actually about the new Führer of UKIP. Says a lot about the Leader and the party who voted for him.

Funnily enough, the pub is only a part of my business, but I do actually meet a lot people through it and my other business. Not saying that makes me well connected, but I meet a cross section of people through my travels.
So this brother that you don't speak to does a blog and suddenly gains massive credibility with you because it 'fits' for your latest point?


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skybluetony176

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Check the dates

://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/business-news/record-car-sales-again-2016-12416753

New car sales not quite on the right road

Ongoing diesel slide drags down UK car market again

So how much is Brexit to blame? And these links are from someone who knows what he is talking about. He even predicted the downturn.
Yeah. The Birmingham post also posted the JLR statement in full. I’ve posted two links to it now. Try reading it and understand what they’ve said about Brexit in it.
 

Grendel

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You haven’t read it have you?

Uncertainty, future headwinds etc. Also I don’t need to as don’t most industry experts. Even the arch europhile David Bailey had to admit the over reliance of diesel product and over production strategies were the reasons.
 

Astute

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Yeah. The Birmingham post also posted the JLR statement in full. I’ve posted two links to it now. Try reading it and understand what they’ve said about Brexit in it.
What have they said about Brexit?

They explained everything so well that you have stopped denying it. Now for you to come out with why Brexit is to blame like you said.
 

skybluetony176

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So what is your Brexit thing then?

For the gazzionth time. Someone said that JLR’s decision had NOTHING, that word again NOTHING to do with Brexit. I posted a link to a Birmingham Mail article where it gives the JLR statement in full and it clearly says that it has SOMETHING not NOTHING to do with Brexit. That’s SOMETHING, not EVERYTHING and certainly not NOTHING. Is it sinking in yet or do I need to start linking the meanings of the words SOMETHING, NOTHING and EVERYTHING.
 

skybluetony176

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What have they said about Brexit?

They explained everything so well that you have stopped denying it. Now for you to come out with why Brexit is to blame like you said.
Where have I said brexit is to blame? The JLR statement says it has something to do with Brexit that’s all I’ve pointed out. Try reading the statement
 

Grendel

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For the gazzionth time. Someone said that JLR’s decision had NOTHING, that word again NOTHING to do with Brexit. I posted a link to a Birmingham Mail article where it gives the JLR statement in full and it clearly says that it has SOMETHING not NOTHING to do with Brexit. That’s SOMETHING, not EVERYTHING and certainly not NOTHING. Is it sinking in yet or do I need to start linking the meanings of the words SOMETHING, NOTHING and EVERYTHING.

It actually said “this has SOMETHING to with Brexit” - really?
 

Astute

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For the gazzionth time. Someone said that JLR’s decision had NOTHING, that word again NOTHING to do with Brexit. I posted a link to a Birmingham Mail article where it gives the JLR statement in full and it clearly says that it has SOMETHING not NOTHING to do with Brexit. That’s SOMETHING, not EVERYTHING and certainly not NOTHING. Is it sinking in yet or do I need to start linking the meanings of the words SOMETHING, NOTHING and EVERYTHING.
So what is the something?

Petrol sales are up. Electric sales are up. Diesel sales have crashed. JLR sell 90% diesel. People want diesel cars. But there is so much doubt about buying one.

The EU are a lot more to blame than Brexit is. And if you replace a diesel for another diesel you get hit with higher tax by the government.

Yes JLR said Brexit. They never explained why. And that is because the truth is there for you to read.
 

Grendel

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How am I wrong? I haven’t made a statement.

It’s how people analyse statements that adds value to a debate. There was once s publication that stated Elvis was on a double decker bus on the Moon. I was always sceptical about it. I guess you’d just quote it verbatim as being the only explanation of what’s been said.
 

skybluetony176

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You only read one word.....Brexit.

So how is Brexit to blame? You have been asked enough times to explain yourself.
You only have to read the statement in full to see how brexit is a factor. It’s all in there. I have already told you how it is a factor according to the statement a couple of pages ago. You clearly didn’t read that.
 

skybluetony176

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Uncertainty, future headwinds etc. Also I don’t need to as don’t most industry experts. Even the arch europhile David Bailey had to admit the over reliance of diesel product and over production strategies were the reasons.
You haven’t even read it. That’s priceless. You have absolutely no idea what JLR have said by your own admission yet you’re arguing about what they’ve said. That’s a special kind of stupid.
 

Grendel

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You only have to read the statement in full to see how brexit is a factor. It’s all in there. I have already told you how it is a factor according to the statement a couple of pages ago. You clearly didn’t read that.

Ok so you like David Bailey read the statement. Now conclude from it. What’s your conclusion?
 

martcov

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So this brother that you don't speak to does a blog and suddenly gains massive credibility with you because it 'fits' for your latest point?


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No, but because he actually worked for a UKIP MEP in Brussels and became aware of what was going on. He passed the files to the authorities and other interested parties. The police were involved and there were investigations. So, although we aren’t talking, I believe him that something was going on and the authorities also did who had seen the evidence. He has written a lot on the internet under his Pseudonym and gets quoted by EUkip who were out to expose some things that were going on within UKIP at that time.

I suggest you look up EUkip and see what they were talking about. ( Exit UKIP ).

What point? I just thought it was interesting now that this guy has been appointed leader. Shows how bad things are in UKIP.

My brother couldn’t have known that he would become leader, but warned what a clown this guy was as far back as 2012.
 

Grendel

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You haven’t even read it. That’s priceless. You have absolutely no idea what JLR have said by your own admission yet you’re arguing about what they’ve said. That’s a special kind of stupid.

You see Tony you’ve fell into it. Of course if read it and I didn’t say I hadn’t did I?
 

Grendel

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No I haven’t said brexit is to blame. I’ve repeatedly said that JLR have said that it has something to do with Brexit and repeatedly linked the statement. Again it’s all in their statement.

Is Elvis on the moon Tony?
 

Astute

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No I haven’t said brexit is to blame. I’ve repeatedly said that JLR have said that it has something to do with Brexit and repeatedly linked the statement. Again it’s all in their statement.
So Brexit isn't to blame then?
 

skybluetony176

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Uncertainty, future headwinds etc. Also I don’t need to as don’t most industry experts. Even the arch europhile David Bailey had to admit the over reliance of diesel product and over production strategies were the reasons.
You see Tony you’ve fell into it. Of course if read it and I didn’t say I hadn’t did I?
Your top reply is in reply to me saying to you “you haven’t read it have you” you go on to say “Also I don’t need to”.
 

Astute

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Your top reply is in reply to me saying to you “you haven’t read it have you” you go on to say “Also I don’t need to”.
Those running JLR have not planned very well. But would they blame themselves or Brexit?
 

martcov

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So what is the something?

Petrol sales are up. Electric sales are up. Diesel sales have crashed. JLR sell 90% diesel. People want diesel cars. But there is so much doubt about buying one.

The EU are a lot more to blame than Brexit is. And if you replace a diesel for another diesel you get hit with higher tax by the government.

Yes JLR said Brexit. They never explained why. And that is because the truth is there for you to read.

Experts say Brexit is making things difficult whatever you say. If we leave the SM and CU we will have problems. There is uncertainty until we can make a deal that does away with frictions in the supply chain. Yes Dieselgate and the follow on is causing even more problems, but uncertainty remains a factor and was mentioned.

„There is no escaping the fact that being out of the customs union and single market will inevitably add barriers to trade, increase red tape and cost. Settling for “good” access to each other’s markets is not enough as it will only damage the UK’s competitiveness and reduce our ability to attract investment and the high quality jobs that go with it.

Brexit is finally being recognised as a highly complex and difficult negotiation which is why we urgently need a transitional arrangement which allows business to continue as normal until the UK’s new trade arrangement with the EU has been agreed and implemented.“

Whitewash it all you want and point the finger at the EU, but the experts at the Motor Manufacturing Society ( see above ) are also naming uncertainty through Brexit as a factor in the car industry. No surprise that Jaguar, or a spokesman, are quoted as mentioning Brexit as a factor. In this case not the main factor though.
 

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