Sick Boy
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Forced Labour? The poor and unemployed are out making a -'quick-buck' by robbing?
Fucking hell.
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Forced Labour? The poor and unemployed are out making a -'quick-buck' by robbing?
Fucking hell.
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Trump is a semi literate populist who just says and does things. No thought for the consequences.
He won’t build a wall. It is too expensive. Mexico won’t pay if he does. So, he will repair and reinforce where necessary and then claim to have built a wall.
I would be after Farage if he came out with some bird brained wall - could only happen in Ireland as we only have one land border.
Merkel is at least intelligent.
Welcoming people from a war zone as refugees is not a bad thing and is covered by the Geneva Convention and UN Charter. It is irrelevant if the refugees were non EU citizens.
Your last sentence is just nuts. Incomprehensible.
Does this apply to markets in Australia and America as well?
Are you saying that post Brexit global Britain will not be about jobs for Brits, but about achieving benefits through production in other countries?
Good for hedge funds and shareholders, but not for the forgotten people at home?
Grendel
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That’s again nothing to do with my reply to you. Clueless.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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*No it wasn't me.
Where did you stay out of interest?
Went for an all inclusive a couple of years back in Corralejo. Weather was shit but hit the gym in the morning then drank for 15 hours straight all day.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Terror attack in France again tonight...
SkyblueBazza
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No - forcing people to accept that if they want to have certain standard of living - they have to get off their arse & earn it!
There is definitely a small proportion that need everyone else to rally around & support them. There is also a proportion who think they can do nothing but still maintain a pretty good standard of living without doing much to justify it!
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SkyblueBazza
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Not forced labour as such - just forced reality for some. Do nothing = get nothing. That is not unreasonable to those that pay to support a lifestyle unworthy of the attitude. There are some worthy to support- others that milk!
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Sick Boy
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Is that the place with all the restaurants and shops on that long road? We were in El Cotillo, about a 15 mins walk from La Concha beach. Haha we got pretty lucky with the weather but I got caught out and ended up with some epic sunburn. We were only there from Sat to Weds but I would definitely go back again.
Sick Boy
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Yeah that's definitely going to work, isn't it. :/
SkyblueBazza
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SkyblueBazza
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It works in 3rd world countries
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Sick Boy
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What a strange person.
SkyblueBazza
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It is life - you do find the real world strange?
If Armageddon happened tonight - would you be so charitable? Any answer other than 'no' & I reckon you have either not thought it through or you are a liar!
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Sick Boy
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You are basically proposing forced labour for people to claim benefits and holding up 3rd world countries as examples for Britain to follow; you also labelled the poor as out robbing or something else ridiculous.
Then you have the genius idea of witholding benefits from those who refuse to partake or who are unable to take part in your labour camps.
Then start blabbering on about Armageddon.
As I said, very strange.
What do you want? Scrap benefits? Work or starve? Problem is that crime would increase. How do you choose who is genuine and who isn’t? We have low unemployment now, but there will be times of high unemployment which will mean more „robbing poor“, through not their own fault.
Brexit has poisoned debate in this country. Now we are accusing the poor of „robbing“ and not getting off their arse.
It’s gone from EU bureaucrats to Eastern Europeans, Muslims, Black, and Asian people, „libtards“, „snowflakes“,“lefties“ and now to our own poor and unemployed. Not to forget Brexiteers attacking Eurovision because Europeans don’t vote for us as they loathe us - apparently.
All conveniently distracting from hedge fund owners and managers and tax dodging dodgy millionaires and politicians.
It is called fascism. Has been done in Nazi Germany and the slogan „Arbeit macht frei“ is infamous. „Work makes you free“.
You can thank the vanguards of neo fascism for these debates in social media. People like Farage, Bannon and Trump.
Astute
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Merkel is not a populist. Merkel was reacting to a crisis which she didn’t create. She was acting in accordance with the Geneva Convention and German law. Trump‘s motives and actions are totally different. The consequences will negatively affect the world economy and the environment.
He has created a poisonous atmosphere in his country and depended the divides, polarising people. That is not the aim of good leaders.
Creating a hard border contrary to a ratified peace agreement is different to strengthening an existing border.
Merkel did not invite everyone. She was reacting to the people stuck in Budapest or already on the move The people stuck in Greece, or landing in Greece followed. And more followed them.
Farage said Merkel invited everyone. That doesn’t mean she did.
She gave Turkey billions to stop the flow of refugees from Turkey.
I am sure he would be happy under Brexit. I would be in his position.
Holding up the richest people as an example of people we should be following is strange as their situation is totally different to ours.
I am not involved in a dispute about fracking which is probably because of local objections. Maybe less regulations and pesky environmental laws are a problem for some rich people. A deregulated economy would help in his case and perhaps a conservative led UK outside of the EU would be more likely to achieve that.
You must be different to many leavers who have been told that the EU is all about the wealthy elite and voted leave because of that.
Another wealthy person who does know what he is talking about, Peter Mandelson says:
„A cabal of newspaper owners and editors have driven anti-European feeling in Britain over a period of 25 years. They have coordinated their actions throughout, with a very well off, pretty privileged, cosseted elite, who broadly speaking, hate liberal politics, dislike government and oppose regulation in the public interest.
“These are the people whose whole crusade has been about taking Britain out of the European Union and what is striking about it is their own economic interests and political views are at odds with so many people who voted for it.”
Which, funnily enough, is what I have been saying all along.
SkyblueBazza
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You seem to struggle to understand things. Or simply put your own spin on stuff.
Didn't actually say any of that.
You seem to be suggesting the same as the right wing politicians & capitalists. As in it is good to have unemployed people (5% is ideal I think I read) sitting about feeling worthless...& get desperate & poor people from other countries to come & take low paid jobs...which the rest of us subsidise in taxes that are used to top up their earnings in benefits!
Personally I think it better to offer people that are not working a good value proposition to give them a sense of worth. Otherwise we have SOME people that prefer to not work, people that turn to petty crime etc- a bit like the society we currently do have.
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Didn't actually say any of that.
You seem to be suggesting the same as the right wing politicians & capitalists. As in it is good to have unemployed people (5% is ideal I think I read) sitting about feeling worthless...& get desperate & poor people from other countries to come & take low paid jobs...which the rest of us subsidise in taxes that are used to top up their earnings in benefits!
Personally I think it better to offer people that are not working a good value proposition to give them a sense of worth. Otherwise we have SOME people that prefer to not work, people that turn to petty crime etc- a bit like the society we currently do have.
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SkyblueBazza
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No...like I said - train people to do the work that is there & pay them a decent level. Then those that really wish to work will have jobs. Instead we import people to do jobs & others stay out of work.
Not rocket science it is a simple concept but you still can't seem to grasp it.
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Not rocket science it is a simple concept but you still can't seem to grasp it.
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SkyblueBazza
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No it is called the real world. Think about your own actions Mart. You have upped sticks & baked out of Britain...& are applying for a dual passport. You aren't doing that for the poor or unemployed in Britain now are you?
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I understand that we are nearly at or at brimful employment. Basically most people who want a job, have one. Some are between jobs or between some form of education course, others live in areas where there are no jobs, could move, but don’t want to various reasons. Some don’t want to work.
But, that is a good thing in general. Seeing as you can get a job tomorrow, I don’t see the problem if it is just about a job. Low paid jobs don’t need qualifications.
The problem is getting a good well paid job. That is not the section threatened by migrants whose first language is not English. Education is the key, and vocational training. Nothing to with Latvian barmaids or Estonian chamber maids.
No. That’s not my job to look after the poor in the UK. I support my family. I gave up my job during an UK economic crisis. You could say I helped 1 person get a job in the UK and created one for myself in Germany, via France actually.
I left when the car industry collapsed in Cov. As did many others.
Astute
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So Mandelson was brought up on a council estate in Manchester and became the richest man in the UK? Oh no it is the person you want to compare to him.
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No, but you are using rich people as examples for your cause, so I used another one. Mandelson does actually know what he is talking about as regards the EU ( European Trade Commissioner), rather than someone involved in fracking sounding off because he doesn’t like pesky environmental regulations.
SkyblueBazza
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And I applaud you for not sitting about feeling sorry for yourself. Similar thing happened to me with redundancy.
The trouble is that those who want to work want to be paid for it...too many 'unskilled' jobs are undervalued
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The trouble is that those who want to work want to be paid for it...too many 'unskilled' jobs are undervalued
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Grendel
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Mandelson is a greedy, conniving snout in the trough politician who is reviled in the uk.
He’s a perfect fit for Brussels. Using Peter mandelson as a witness is like having Fred West as an advocate of your patio building company.
You are as much a gift on here as Italia is on the wasps threads
Is he right on this though?
It is all relative and migrants end up largely doing unskilled low paid jobs - everywhere in the world and since thousands of years.
More schocking is the number of people who, despite a free education system, haven’t got the right job skills for the modern world. All for retraining and further education.
Grendel
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No he’s a bitter angry man as the press exposed his lies and ruined his political career
Seems to be coping though. More than just about managing.
Grendel
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Again the fact you use such a reviled figure shows how out of touch you are