The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (220 Viewers)

[Astute]

How our taxpayer-rescued banks helped INEOS escape UK taxes

This is a good read also

And so is this.

Jean-Claude Juncker's real scandal is his tax-haven homeland of Luxembourg

 

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[skybluetony176]

So should he stand aside so his shady deals can be looked at like many in the EU want to do?

Of course not. But you want to hang those who took advantage of the tax dodges he made available.

I say look into them all.

Of course he should. Thanks for answering a question you’ve never asked me before incorrectly on my behalf.

You’re last part I actually agree with. Just as instead of singling Jimmy Carr out for using the K2 tax avoidance scheme Cameron should have publicly named everyone using the loophole. It’s just happened again with Lewis Hamilton and registering his jet on the IOM. He isn’t the only one doing it but he’s the non political public figure lamb to the slaughter. People like your latest role model are allowed to get away with it by governments for political reasons. You didn’t have to look hard to dig dirt on this guy but you think he’s a positive pro brexit role model so you wheeled him out. If you ask me he’s a perfect demonstration of what’s wrong with Brexit and you really shouldn’t really have to question why someone like him is backing it. It ain’t for your benefit that’s for sure. He might sell it that way assuming that you’re gullible enough to swallow it but he’s in it for himself.

 

[skybluetony176]

And so is this.

Jean-Claude Juncker's real scandal is his tax-haven homeland of Luxembourg

I never said it wasn’t. You keep pretending otherwise though if you think it makes you right/better in some way. You can have that on me, I’m a very charitable person like that.

 

[martcov]

That is bollox. Try reading without prejudice for once.

I have. That is what it says.

 

[martcov]

And so is this.

Jean-Claude Juncker's real scandal is his tax-haven homeland of Luxembourg

Look over there....

 

[martcov]

He sounds like Donald Tusk.

He ticks all those boxes doesn’t he?

Look over there....

Donald Tusk is not the role model here... Ratcliffe is.

 

[Grendel]

Look over there....

Donald Tusk is not the role model here... Ratcliffe is.

What was Tusks view on fracking when in charge of Poland?

 

[Astute]

Of course he should. Thanks for answering a question you’ve never asked me before incorrectly on my behalf.

You’re last part I actually agree with. Just as instead of singling Jimmy Carr out for using the K2 tax avoidance scheme Cameron should have publicly named everyone using the loophole. It’s just happened again with Lewis Hamilton and registering his jet on the IOM. He isn’t the only one doing it but he’s the non political public figure lamb to the slaughter. People like your latest role model are allowed to get away with it by governments for political reasons. You didn’t have to look hard to dig dirt on this guy but you think he’s a positive pro brexit role model so you wheeled him out. If you ask me he’s a perfect demonstration of what’s wrong with Brexit and you really shouldn’t really have to question why someone like him is backing it. It ain’t for your benefit that’s for sure. He might sell it that way assuming that you’re gullible enough to swallow it but he’s in it for himself.

For my benefit? As I have always said it looks against everything I need when I retire.

Why is it that you are quick to dish the dirt on anyone who says we can and they think we will do well after leaving. But anyone who is a part of the EU never gets anything unless you are pushed?

 

[Astute]

Look over there....

Donald Tusk is not the role model here... Ratcliffe is.

Tusk.....Juncker......

Suddenly they mean nothing to you as usual. But they are the ones that could mess everything up. And it is what they look like they are planning to do.

 

[Astute]

What was Tusks view on fracking when in charge of Poland?

Similar to what was Junckers view on defrauding the tax payer when he was in charge of Luxembourg.

 

[Astute]

Look over there....

Donald Tusk is not the role model here... Ratcliffe is.

I thought the role model was Mandelson :smuggrin:

 

[skybluetony176]

For my benefit? As I have always said it looks against everything I need when I retire.

Why is it that you are quick to dish the dirt on anyone who says we can and they think we will do well after leaving. But anyone who is a part of the EU never gets anything unless you are pushed?

You’re asking the wrong question Astute. The question is why is there dirt on these people. I have never fallen over myself to put Tusk etc. on a pedestal like you have with Jim Ratcliffe. The reason for that is because I understand that largely they’re cut from the same cloth in that they’re all in it for themselves. Some are just better at staying under the radar than others. None should be put on a pedestal and maybe next time you rush to do it based on headline you’ll consider who the person behind the headline is. He isn’t pro brexit for your benefit just as Tusk isn’t pro EU for yours either.

 

[Astute]

You’re asking the wrong question Astute. The question is why is there dirt on these people. I have never fallen over myself to put Tusk etc. on a pedestal like you have with Jim Ratcliffe. The reason for that is because I understand that largely they’re cut from the same cloth in that they’re all in it for themselves. Some are just better at staying under the radar than others. None should be put on a pedestal and maybe next time you rush to do it based on headline you’ll consider who the person behind the headline is. He isn’t pro brexit for your benefit just as Tusk isn’t pro EU for yours either.

But that is the point.

Depending on where your moral compass is on tax evasion is the answer I have been after for ages. And that does not mean just by you. If you look back Juncker has been heavily defended on here for it. But as soon as someone has used the services that he started off they are seen as a crook. If that is the case then the EU is run by crooks.

We don't know how this will go. But there are many businessesmen that are very hopeful for our future. Those who started with nothing and have done very well. Or you have the few that have proved the so called experts wring constantly. But the so called experts are still brought up as evidence that it will all go wrong for us.

There may be trouble ahead. But there could also be a very bright future. And as we have our own currency we have our own destiny in our hands.

But some people just don't want to see it that way.

 

[martcov]

What was Tusks view on fracking when in charge of Poland?

What has that got to do with Astute‘s ill chosen role model?

 

[skybluetony176]

But that is the point.

Depending on where your moral compass is on tax evasion is the answer I have been after for ages. And that does not mean just by you. If you look back Juncker has been heavily defended on here for it. But as soon as someone has used the services that he started off they are seen as a crook. If that is the case then the EU is run by crooks.

We don't know how this will go. But there are many businessesmen that are very hopeful for our future. Those who started with nothing and have done very well. Or you have the few that have proved the so called experts wring constantly. But the so called experts are still brought up as evidence that it will all go wrong for us.

There may be trouble ahead. But there could also be a very bright future. And as we have our own currency we have our own destiny in our hands.

But some people just don't want to see it that way.

I know it’s the point. I just made it. You do realise that you’re one of the people who don’t want to see it that way when you fall over yourself to put someone on a pedestal without realising who they are and what they do and what motive that gives them to be pro or anti something. Nieve is the word that springs to mind.

 

[martcov]

But that is the point.

Depending on where your moral compass is on tax evasion is the answer I have been after for ages. And that does not mean just by you. If you look back Juncker has been heavily defended on here for it. But as soon as someone has used the services that he started off they are seen as a crook. If that is the case then the EU is run by crooks.

We don't know how this will go. But there are many businessesmen that are very hopeful for our future. Those who started with nothing and have done very well. Or you have the few that have proved the so called experts wring constantly. But the so called experts are still brought up as evidence that it will all go wrong for us.

There may be trouble ahead. But there could also be a very bright future. And as we have our own currency we have our own destiny in our hands.

But some people just don't want to see it that way.

Who defends Juncker’s tax dodging policies for Luxemburg?

The super rich backing Brexit is not a good reason for the poor to back Brexit. No matter if their father was a joiner or bus driver or they went to a comprehensive school.

The talk of „so called experts“ is worrying. If a doctor makes a wrong diagnosis, I would not stop going to „so called“ doctors.

Just because most experts are against Brexit doesn’t make them „so called“.

We are not out of the EU yet, but cracks are appearing. We are losing ground against other economies and are blaming virtual 0 growth on the weather. The weather affected all of Europe, but most did better than we did in the first quarter.

 

[martcov]

I know it’s the point. I just made it. You do realise that you’re one of the people who don’t want to see it that way when you fall over yourself to put someone on a pedestal without realising who they are and what they do and what motive that gives them to be pro or anti something. Nieve is the word that springs to mind.

Or even naive..;-)

 

[martcov]

I thought the role model was Mandelson :smuggrin:

You took a rich person, I took a rich person. Yours has form for doing things that most leavers should be against, and probably are. Mine has similar form, but I gave a full quote which, although he said it, is actually true. Or at least no one has said how it isn’t true. Grendel and yourself just said „no“. Sort of answered the question...

 

[Astute]

I know it’s the point. I just made it. You do realise that you’re one of the people who don’t want to see it that way when you fall over yourself to put someone on a pedestal without realising who they are and what they do and what motive that gives them to be pro or anti something. Nieve is the word that springs to mind.

More like it is a defence when someone successful says we can make it outside the EU?

 

[Astute]

Who defends Juncker’s tax dodging policies for Luxemburg?

The super rich backing Brexit is not a good reason for the poor to back Brexit. No matter if their father was a joiner or bus driver or they went to a comprehensive school.

The talk of „so called experts“ is worrying. If a doctor makes a wrong diagnosis, I would not stop going to „so called“ doctors.

Just because most experts are against Brexit doesn’t make them „so called“.

We are not out of the EU yet, but cracks are appearing. We are losing ground against other economies and are blaming virtual 0 growth on the weather. The weather affected all of Europe, but most did better than we did in the first quarter.

So you haven't defended Junckers tax avoidance schemes and him being in the position he holds now?

When he was voted into his position the UK brought it up as a reason he shouldn't have got it. Our say meant nothing.

 

[Astute]

Or even naive..;-)

Put on a pedestal?

Someone being brought up on a council estate and becoming the richest person in the UK means nothing because he sees a future outside the EU?

 

[Grendel]

What has that got to do with Astute‘s ill chosen role model?

Because all the things you have said about him could fit Tusk so I assume he’s actually your role model

 

[Astute]

You took a rich person, I took a rich person. Yours has form for doing things that most leavers should be against, and probably are. Mine has similar form, but I gave a full quote which, although he said it, is actually true. Or at least no one has said how it isn’t true. Grendel and yourself just said „no“. Sort of answered the question...

I took a rich person....a self made multi billionaire. You took someone who has been caught doing wrong on multiple occasions.

Yet you make out they are the same.

 

[chiefdave]

British government to host summit on why other countries should join the EU

 

[Astute]

Because all the things you have said about him could fit Tusk so I assume he’s actually your role model

Anyone pro EU seems to be OK.

Nobody that can see a future after leaving the EU seems to be OK.

 

[Astute]

British government to host summit on why other countries should join the EU

Are the Tories trying to screw the EU up?

 

[martcov]

I took a rich person....a self made multi billionaire. You took someone who has been caught doing wrong on multiple occasions.

Yet you make out they are the same.

They both have form for doing things leavers theoretically should be against. So in that respect, yes.

 

[martcov]

Because all the things you have said about him could fit Tusk so I assume he’s actually your role model

You mentioned that Tusk did something pro fracking in Poland... so you are trying to equate Tusk with Ratcliffe in that sense. Has nothing to do with what Mandelson said about newspaper owners.

 

[skybluetony176]

More like it is a defence when someone successful says we can make it outside the EU?

He means he not we. It suits his companies business model for us to be out of the EU. Took me 30 seconds on google to work that out.

 

[skybluetony176]

I took a rich person....a self made multi billionaire. You took someone who has been caught doing wrong on multiple occasions.

Yet you make out they are the same.

You took a tax exile linked to the paradise papers who wants to rape the British countryside and needs the U.K. to leave the EU to assist him achieving that goal.

 

[Grendel]

He means he not we. It suits his companies business model for us to be out of the EU. Took me 30 seconds on google to work that out.

Given the other week you didn’t even know how to read a link to a subscribed paper that’s some achievement.

Have you been on a course?

 

[skybluetony176]

Given the other week you didn’t even know how to read a link to a subscribed paper that’s some achievement.

Have you been on a course?

You’ve claimed to be a green voter in the past. What do you think to his companies business practices?

 

[Astute]

You took a tax exile linked to the paradise papers who wants to rape the British countryside and needs the U.K. to leave the EU to assist him achieving that goal.

What EU rules would stop fracking?

 

[skybluetony176]

What EU rules would stop fracking?

I never said there was. There are controls that don’t assist him achieving his goals though, which is what I have said. I’ve linked an article already on it. I guess you’ve not read it though as per usual. France and Germany have also banned the practice of fracking and according to you the EU is a dictatorship ran by these two so I guess it’s only a matter of time before there’s an EU wide ban on fracking, according to you anyway. So there’s another reason he wants out of the EU for his benefit not yours.

 

[Astute]

I never said there was. There are controls that don’t assist him achieving his goals though, which is what I have said. I’ve linked an article already on it. I guess you’ve not read it though as per usual. France and Germany have also banned the practice of fracking and according to you the EU is a dictatorship ran by these two so I guess it’s only a matter of time before there’s an EU wide ban on fracking, according to you anyway. So there’s another reason he wants out of the EU for his benefit not yours.

So you admit that there are no EU rules to stop him but he wants out of the EU so their rules can't stop him?

Just like when I brought up someone who has got every forecast right for our economy when all the experts have been wrong. He sees us as doing well after Brexit. The reply to that was he isn't right this time :smuggrin:

He has made 30 billion taking struggling companies and getting them right. He started with nothing. He hasn't made a penny at fracking. But of course there are reasons.........