Astute
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So you have gone from defending UKIP to attacking them. Why is that? They haven't changed.
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Sick Boy
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No. Britain First is a British fascist political organisation, I don't think they stand for parliament.
I'm interested to know how you know so much about La Lega? What makes them "extremely racist" to you? Would a non-racist party enter an alliance with an 'extremely racist' party, as you describe them?
Astute
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In what way?
Both shouldn't exist. Just like AfD of Germany and many others that are growing at a fast rate throughout the EU.
skybluetony176
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You tell Grendull then. With the same enthusiasm that you tell SB.
Sick Boy
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Having lived in a region and city that is very much a Lega stronghold, I can assure you they are nowhere near as bad as Britain First. I disagree with them a lot and think they are bigots, but I wouldn't put them down as extreme as BF, as I don't think UKIP are either.
With a country as young as Italy, it's hardly a surprise you're going to have separatists. However Salvini has somehow made voters in the south fall for his rhetoric, even though he has always despised them.
skybluetony176
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You haven’t to my knowledge. Free pass Grendull on the other hand...
Astute
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Nobody wants them here. Not since UKIP started at least. They would hardly register here. You might not like UKIP as they stand against everything you want. Close ties to the EU. But I am happy with taking away the racist vote. And if you was honest you would say the same. But you are too pro EU to admit such.
Astute
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I didn't say they were as extreme as Britain First. But they are much closer to BF than UKIP. Even you have to admit that.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
No, I disagree. BF are even worse and more exteme.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Again, it's not a political party, it's a movement. Hoe many MPs did UKIP get?
Astute
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skybluetony176
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Anyhow. Meanwhile in the real world it turns out that we’re not at the front of the queue afterall Trump: Brexit plan could kill US trade deal
Astute
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Do you mean before the Brexit vote or after?
That tells you why people voted for them.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I've already said that both UKIP and Lega are less extreme the BF. The point I made about BF has zero to do with the debate
Astute
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So now you believe everything Trump says :smuggrin:
Westendlad
Well-Known Member
Hopefully May will take note...
Astute
Well-Known Member
So why make a point about BF when they have nothing to do with it?
Oh yes. I remember. You tried to compare La Lega with UKIP but those who know better compare La Lega with the NF and BF.
Astute
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May is onto a loser whatever she does.
skybluetony176
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Given he’s said we were at the front of the queue and now out means out means we aren’t at the front of the queue I’ll take everything he says much the same as I always do. With a big pinch of salt.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Hahaha! what's your direct experience of La Lega?
I really have no idea why you've started banging on about BF, probably to divert attention away, I guess.
Westendlad
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I meant more that he's saying..Do what the voters asked for or fuck off !!
Astute
Well-Known Member
OK. So which part do you deny?
La Lega Nord
And I don't flip between the two. I can see good on leaving the EU. I can also see good in remaining in the EU. You only see good in us remaining in the EU and deny the rest.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Didn't he recently go on about other countries interfering in other countries' business and then does the same thing here while undermining the PM.
He really is a massive moron
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Apologies I read your initial post wrong. As I said, I lived in a city with a Lega mayor, I'm well aware of them.
And you do seem to constantly flip between sides. I'd be more understanding if you were balanced in your arguments but you're not.
Astute
Well-Known Member
But would have been talking sense if he said we should continue to be ruled by the EU.....
Yes the bloke is a twat. But he should be a twat whatever he says.
Astute
Well-Known Member
And why is that?
You are either 100% pro EU or you are wrong to some on here. You are not allowed an opinion. You are not allowed to see anything good about leaving. And if you pick anyone up on anything who is pro EU you are not balanced in your arguments.
Strangely enough you never ever pick me up on any comment that is good about the EU. I'm trying to work that one out......
Westendlad
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That's a bloody good point Astute. I have i'm sure never read anything good said about the EU on this thread from the 3 'strange ones' ......!!
dutchman
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Former Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont can be extradited to Spain, say judges
"The fugitive Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont can be extradited to Spain to face corruption charges, a German court has ruled.
Judges said, however, that Mr Puigdemont could not be sent back on the more serious charge of rebellion, which is not recognised under German law. The ruling by the superior regional court of Schleswig-Holstein means that Spain will be unable to try him for rebellion if he is extradited."
Yeah right, because Franco's Spanish torture squads are going to take any notice of what a German judge says!
"The fugitive Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont can be extradited to Spain to face corruption charges, a German court has ruled.
Judges said, however, that Mr Puigdemont could not be sent back on the more serious charge of rebellion, which is not recognised under German law. The ruling by the superior regional court of Schleswig-Holstein means that Spain will be unable to try him for rebellion if he is extradited."
Yeah right, because Franco's Spanish torture squads are going to take any notice of what a German judge says!
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UKIP did the UK no favours. Nigel Farage made the claim you are parroting. And it was not Britain First as the weren’t widely known before Brexit, he was referring to the BNP whose membership gleefully went over to UKIP and/ or voted leave. Same shit, different bucket. Not all UKIP or Brexit voters were previously BNP, but all BNP voters were anti EU. BNP was small and politically insignificant anyway.
Former Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont can be extradited to Spain, say judges
"The fugitive Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont can be extradited to Spain to face corruption charges, a German court has ruled.
Judges said, however, that Mr Puigdemont could not be sent back on the more serious charge of rebellion, which is not recognised under German law. The ruling by the superior regional court of Schleswig-Holstein means that Spain will be unable to try him for rebellion if he is extradited."
Yeah right, because Franco's Spanish torture squads are going to take any notice of what a German judge says!
How is Franco getting on? Haven’t heard much from him lately.
Are you now equating Britain first with AfD?
? I am not involved in this discussion between Astute and Sick Boy. I also haven’t said all UKIP voters are racist. Judging by the comments of many of them in the past and that Farage has had to try and deny it several times, there are a significant amount of racists. Farage even boasts to saved us from BNP by taking their racist supporters. Farage is famous for using a copy of Goebels‘ „breaking point“ poster with Arabs instead of Eastern Jews. Farage also gives talks at AfD and Bannon‘s fund raisers. He now threatens a comeback to UKIP as possible leader. No absolute non racist party would have anything to do with him.
You are happy that UKIP is acceptable for BNP ( not Britain First as they are hard core and even further right than BNP and are still going it alone )? Why didn’t UKIP say „we don’t want BNP members coming to our party as they are racist „? They obviously want the racist voters. That they in effect joined forces to cause Brexit shows that racism is acceptable to UKIP.
For someone who is not allowed an opinion you are doing quite well at turning everything into Juncker. No one claims the EU is perfect. Being pro EU doesn’t mean not wanting to reform it. It means that our of leave or remain, remain is the more sensible argument. The sheer chaos in the British government who are tasked with Brexit, shows that no one can agree what Brexit actually is, or how to go through with it without causing the country damage. One UKIP clown compared it to Colombus setting out to discover the Americas. That was a success, so let’s cast off into the unknown... with the livliehoods and well being of 65 million people. Amazing.
dutchman
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Is that the best response you can manage?
His legacy is alive and well in Spain as proven by this bogus extraditon request.
Strange how Germany still refuses to extradite known war criminals?