He is a moron. I have agreed with you. The EU has one negotiating team. It is a trading block. Trump has to sign one trade agreement not 28. so you are wrong to claim otherwise. 28 are represented, but there is only one partner. Trump would rather bully 28 individual states, as he is doing with the UK by embarrassing May, or at NATO by embarrassing Merkel.
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He is a moron. I have agreed with you. The EU has one negotiating team. It is a trading block. Trump has to sign one trade agreement not 28. so you are wrong to claim otherwise. 28 are represented, but there is only one partner. Trump would rather bully 28 individual states, as he is doing with the UK by embarrassing May, or at NATO by embarrassing Merkel.
What? We get the same old crap about Tusk, Juncker and unelected Bureaucrats in Brussels from morning til night and then we are told not to be condescending or to call them out. Leavers are wrong to use these cliches and distractions instead of fact based constructive criticism... or even better, suggesting a plan for Brexit without damaging the UK. No... will never happen... so it’s back to Juncker and Tusk..
Grendel
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To be fair someone calling people monkey boy sets the racism bar rather low.
Mart is saying nothing of the sort. You are making it up... again. Mart said that they gladly took the votes of BNP supporters and claimed, via Farage, that they did us a favour by so doing. They didn’t object to racists is different to saying they are all racists. Just the bar is very low at UKIP and they have been in trouble because of some of the membership being racist.
Yes. Who was that? In which racist context was that?
His girlfriend did. I think he is guilty by association. Birds of a feather...
Why did he resign as leader of UKIP? Google it. You’re good at that when it comes to Italian legal scandals.
Astute
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Why am I wrong?
The EU does deals for all countries in the EU. It has to be a good deal for all those. Having to make a deal that won't harm any country out of 27 isn't easy. Is there a veto?
Or he can make deals with a single one which is the UK once we leave the EU. Which would be the easiest? And take off your pro EU hat before answering or you will look stupid.
Astute
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So what hasn't been fact based about who you mention?
Oh yes Juncker is innocent of all charges. That is why you don't want to have him mentioned on here.
He had almost got a deal with the EU. He scrapped it. He can make deals more easily with individual countries. He offers „take it or leave it“ and bullies the country into accepting a deal in the US favour. At least he has promised that to his base. He would love the EU to split up. No idea why you think that he would do a deal in our UK favour. Especially knowing that we have screwed ourselves and stand alone.
Astute
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But it is an insult so shouldn't be used.
You might see it as a racist remark. You might not. But many do. So it shouldn't be used.
It is like calling black people coloured. It is an insult. But some don't have a clue. Many think it is an OK term. So they don't understand. Some see it as racist. Some see it as a derogatory term. Take your pick. But it shouldn't be used.
Astute
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Just like the Labour party. But you fail to mention that.
What on earth has Juncker, who is leaving in 2021, got to do with our future relationship with the EU? He has to approve any deal now or his commissioners do, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with tax deals in Luxemburg, or his past. Any ideas on Brexit without damaging the UK? No. Thought not.
Astute
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I did do afterwards. So does it make all of UKIP racist? Tony will disagree with you there.
So back on to Labour. Are they a racist party? Would you like a long list of Labour MP's......Or even a leader to compare against?
Astute
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The bloke is bent. But he decides what happens. He has even stopped himself looking into what he did wrong. We will have left before 2021. But it is OK with you as he is leaving in 2021.
Did they boast about it?
Astute
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So that is your pro EU side of it.
So he nearly got a deal with the EU. So why didn't he?
Oh yes all to do with Trump and not anything wrong with the EU. If they had made a deal you would have been on cloud 9 telling us how great the deal is and how crap it is for the UK.
It is ok with me as I am not stupid enough to leave based on Juncker’s history.
Astute
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So nobody but UKIP is guilty of anything. Yes I hear you Mart.
It is all to do with Trump. It was negotiated in Obama‘s time, so Trump stopped it.
Astute
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I argued against the term being used. So look for another target if that is what you are after.
Where did I say that? And answer the question please.
Astute
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Yet that is bad yet the bullshit against Jews directly from Labour MP's is OK?
No. As I have said it doesn’t make UKIP racist, but shows that there are racists in UKIP who keep getting found out. Implies there are many as does Farage‘s bragging about taking in BNPp members.
I don’t agree with either.
Astute
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I said „fact based constructive criticism“
Astute
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Because as usual you attack Brexit voters and UKIP as much as you can but ignore everything else. You are trying to say that UKIP are racist because of a partner of one of them is. Yes some others will be also.
So how about doing your version of events on Labour?
Of course not.
Astute
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Astute
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Why only attack UKIP and nobody else?
You say you want to debate the whole thing. But you want 60% of the facts removed.
Astute
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I have already said the same myself. So what point are you trying to make?
Astute
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I gave lots of fact based criticism on Juncker.
You came back with he has nothing to do with anything although he is in the middle of everything.
I don’t think an organisation representing 500 million people will drastically change when Juncker goes. It will depend on the policy decided by the council. The commission gets its brief from the council.
skybluetony176
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It wasn’t racist and Grendull knows that. Just ask Sickboy, that’s who the comment was aimed at. Grendull needs the distraction because it’s just dawned on him he’s a closet UKIP supporter. I’m not surprised he’s brought it up and misrepresented it again, just surprised it took him so long. It won’t be the last time he drags it up when he can’t concede an argument, needs to try and discredit someone because he’s being an arse and needs to make someone look worse than him etc. etc.
Until 2021. He is doing his job until then. That has nothing to do with Luxemburg tax laws.