The majority of leavers. Not remainers.
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The majority of leavers. Not remainers.
Astute
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So which one are you going to quote now as the YouGov one said they want out and ASAP. They don't want it dragging on.
Astute
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How Martin Selmayr became EU’s top (un)civil servant
This one explains it in more detail. Have fun denying it.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/a-very-eu-coup-martin-selmayrs-astonishing-power-grab/
Astute
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You constantly try to prove me wrong but fail. That is because I don't try to defend anyone or anything.
I am impartial. But the EU is crooked. Those in it are in it for what they can get out of it. Look at that last link.
Astute
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Point out where I said the majority want a hard Brexit. I said the largest group in the poll wanted negotiations to carry on as they are. This is correct. But when you add this to those who want a softer approach....Which is a third of those who want it to continue as it is.....you have the majority who want out of the dictatorship the EU has become. And you know this is correct.
You should have been a politician. You twist the truth and lie as much as they do.
Astute
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But many like myself who wanted to remain now want out. That is something you seem to struggle to get your coconut around.
We don't benefit from the EU like Germany does. We don't have British taking over the top jobs in the EU. Germans are taking over the top jobs. Selmayr getting control of the EU was the final straw for me. Let you Germans pay for it. We are not paying for a German domination of the EU. We are not going to be dominated by Germany.
No they didn’t. They weren’t asked that question. They were asked what deal they wanted and the majority said other than a hard deal. Nothing at all about ASAP.
Talk about twisting things around. You said originally that they want a hard deal. 73% are not happy with negotiations as they are. The rest you made up.
The Union is not a dictatorship. You are just spouting things now with no basis whatsoever. There is an elected parliament and a council of 28 elected governments. There are rules protecting democracy and sanctions which can be applied to countries moving towards a dictatorship. The only ruling party to vote against sanctioning an anti semite and corrupt illiberal head of government, were the Conservative MEPs. People‘s rights cannot be taken from them in the EU. The only country actively taking rights from their subjects is the UK, who by leaving automatically take away my right to freedom of movement.
And Grendel calls the UK a sensible democracy.
Crazy talk now. I don’t believe you and there is no evidence that what you say is true. There is a difference between accepting we are leaving and wanting to leave because people have realised something that isn’t true. Remain is still in front on the question of „if“ there was a referendum how would you vote.
We had the EU foreign minister, we sat on many committees and had a large number of MEPs. The EU doesn’t work as countries. It has political groupings. Juncker and Selmayr belong to the largest group.
To talk about Germany dominating the UK is crap. Germany has been outvoted more times in the council in recent years than the UK. You have no evidence of German government and you cannot explain what powers Selmayr has that could effect your life.
Yes. It was a coup. Yes he is trying to increase the power of his job. Will he succeed? That is not a given. His staff are there to carry out the will of the commission. If you and I know what he said about the future of his 33000 staff, then so do a lot of others. The fact that there has been uproar and 2 enquiries would suggest that his wishes have opposition. The rest is speculation. Apart from anything else, the European elections are coming up. Let‘s hope the socialists make a good showing.
I don’t try and prove you wrong. You bend things and I try and correct them.
I would never refer to you as neutral.
You don’t have British taking over any jobs now as we are leaving. The next meeting about Selmayr is scheduled for 25. September.
Astute
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We all read it. We know what the truth is.
Of course you do. Others see it differently.
Tom Watson tells Corbyn: ‘We must back members on new Brexit vote’
YouGov:
„Public support for a second Brexit referendum continues to grow amid fears over possible no deal Brexit. 45% of people support a People's Vote on the final deal, while 34% do not, according to a YouGov poll of over 10,000 people. The UK would vote to stay in the European Union by 53% to 47% if asked again.09.08.2018“
Astute
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There are rules and regulations that the EU must keep to yes. But when they don't keep to them nothing happens.
Astute
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OK instead of spouting your normal crap how about pointing out where I have said that Germany dominates the UK.
It is certainly starting to dominate the EU. It us a well known fact that Selmayr has been the puppet master for years. And now it looks like he wants another puppet in Barnier to take over from Juncker next year.
So Germany doesn't hold much power?
France, in particular, had its eye on the Secretary-General job, as two of the four great European institutions (the Parliament and the Diplomatic Service) are managed by Germans. Now, thanks to the Selmayr ascendancy, it’s three out of four. Rather a lot.
Astute
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Speculation?
So where did the uproar of the vast majority in the EU and the EU ombudsmen saying that rules and regulations got broke get? Absolutely nowhere. Because he now holds all the power. But you refuse to admit.
Astute
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I was neutral or slightly leaning towards remain. But I spend nearly all my time correcting your pro EU propaganda on here. And then others when they join you.
You asked for proof in Selmayr. Then you try to call it speculation without giving a reason why.
Astute
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And where do you think it will go?
Absolutely nowhere again.
So what top jobs has the UK ever had in all the time of the EU?
How many does Germany have presently?
Nothing to do with Brexit either
Astute
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Are you going to try and say that was an independent poll from the man in the street?
I'm surprised they only got 86%
Astute
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Isn't it amazing how you can pick and choose to make it sound different to reality.
However, just because people think Brexit is the wrong decision, it doesn’t necessarily mean they think it should be reversed. They do not. When we ask what people think the government should do about leaving the EU, just over half (53%) think that it should go ahead with Brexit, mostly on its current course (42%) though 11% would prefer a softer Brexit. A fifth (21%) think that the government should call a fresh referendum instead, while 13% would prefer them just to halt Brexit altogether.
The speculation is that he pushes the Commission aside and dominates it. The next discussion is 25 September about his power. He won’t lose his job though.
Yes. It is amazing. The 53% 47% has been so for a few months.
The demand for a final say is growing. That doesn’t mean everyone will vote for remain, but it means people are not saying they want to a hard Brexit ASAP. No feet dragging.. as you claim..
People are not happy with the way Brexit is going. That is a fact.
No. I am saying that it was a poll of over 1000 labour members. If your theory is right, that everyone wants out ASAP, then you would expect some labour members also to want what you claim. They don’t.
Foreign minister and top posts in various committees.
Grendel
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No you wouldn’t - why would you?
skybluetony176
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Ha ha ha. You asked the question like you do know. You didn’t even have a clue who he was until someone else brought up the subject of him. He’s just the latest name you’ve latched onto to personify as your Lex Luther of the EU sat in a big chair pressing evil buttons telling people to go and do evil there, there and there. Your Lex Luther started out as Merkel, you then decided it was Junker and now you’ve moved onto Selmayr.
General Secretary x 3. Juncker’s Job and Tusk‘s job will not go to Germans. The EU does not work on a country basis, apart from the Council and the nomination of Commissioners where all countries are represented. Juncker was nominated for election by a political grouping, not a country. It is unlikely they will choose a German as successor and it is speculation that Barnier will take over. There are other parliamentary committees on which we were represented.
Because they are also voting public and Astute claims that most people want out ASAP. Obviously not true. Or don’t you count labour voters?
What power and how will it effect you?
Not true. They cannot alter the past, but the meeting on 25 is to see how to stop things like the Selmayr sham happening again.
Grendel
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They all have the same view - it’s a misguided and ill informed view - but it’s rhe same.
Grendel
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Of course they do as they are all of one mind. A pretty confused one clearly.
Members are a tiny proportion of labour voters and the majority of labour seats in the last election voted to leave