The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (105 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Yet again who goes to prison and who still gets a top job and keeps it?

Top defending of the EU though

Plenty of MEP’s have gone to jail for expense fraud. Just to prove that they’re equal to any and all political constitutions. Which is the point that you’re spectacularly missing.

 

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[martcov]

Bollocks. He runs the show. You know he does. He directs the way that the EU takes it. And it has been to not negotiate with us.

Yes we voted to leave. But negotiating is a two way thing. And your love of the EU doesn't change this fact.

You claim that. 27 countries are sticking together. That’s their policy.

I have never said negotiating is not a two way thing, so why mention it?

 

[martcov]

You are being less than honest as usual.

They said his appointment was wrong. So what will they do?

They said it bent the law to the limit, but didn’t break it. Yes it was wrong, but still stands. Let’s see what they say tomorrow. It will be more about it not happening again though.

In what way am I not being honest?

 

[martcov]

Yet again who goes to prison and who still gets a top job and keeps it?

Top defending of the EU though

The ones that committed a crime went to prison.

What crime has Selmayr committed?

 

[martcov]

Less honest than Juncker?

Do something wrong in the UK and you lose your job and even go to prison. Do it in the EU and you get a top job.

I would say that UKIP is just as corrupt, if not more so. My brother worked for an UKIP MEP as researcher, got knocked for his wages and, yes, the guy did end up in jail. What happened to Nicky Sinclair ( our UKIP MEP during the Ricoh Northampton crisis)? She had her fingers in the expenses till didn’t she?

 

[martcov]

And you voted UKIP.

Just like you ignore what the EU does and still defend them

At least the EU sanctions Nazis, or tries to. The Tory MEPs vote with Orban who is an anti semite and anti Muslim.

 

[martcov]

How about the rest of the jobs Germans have?

And how many top jobs has anyone from the UK ever had? How many Germans presently have a top job?

Of course you don't want to answer honestly. You never do.

I literally don’t know. I do know that Roy Jenkins headed the commission and we had the EU Foreign Minister ( forgot her name).

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

This talk of a second referendum is very dangerous.

I can't believe anyone could honestly back this. I keep hearing 'opinions have changed', yet haven't heard a single leave voter actually say they've changed their mind.

It's democracy EU style. The more people that stamp their feet and demand another vote, the more they prove that others were right to question such an establishment.

It wouldn't be a people's vote. We've had that already. It would be a losers vote.

 

[martcov]

This talk of a second referendum is very dangerous.

I can't believe anyone could honestly back this. I keep hearing 'opinions have changed', yet haven't heard a single leave voter actually say they've changed their mind.

It's democracy EU style. The more people that stamp their feet and demand another vote, the more they prove that others were right to question such an establishment.

It wouldn't be a people's vote. We've had that already. It would be a losers vote.

If remain won and we stayed in the EU, who would you class as the losers?

How does the EU fit into this? They have accepted the vote. The people who want a final say are UK voters. There is no guarantee that all 27 countries want us back anyway. It only takes one veto to reject us. Whether we can cancel article 50 and automatically stay in, is in the process of being legally tested.

 

[martcov]

You are being less than honest as usual.

They said his appointment was wrong. So what will they do?[/QUOTE

Martin Selmayr
Head of Cabinet for Jean-Claude Juncker

EU president Jean-Claude Juncker’s right-hand man, Martin Selmayr, is well-placed to set the parameters of the Brexit negotiations. A professor of European law, Selmayr was appointed Juncker’s head of cabinet in 2014. There his responsibilities include overall management of the cabinet and legal and communications strategy. Fiercely competent, ruthless and abrasive, Selmayr is a staunch European federalist who believes that the UK has long obstructed European integration and that Brexit will promote European unity.

Selmayr is best known in Britain for his comment that the prospect of Boris Johnson as UK prime minister would be a “horror scenario”. Selmayr enjoys links to the German media and to Angela Merkel’s chief of staff Peter Altmaier, but some believe he may be taking too much of a political risk in confounding Germany’s leadership role in EU internal matters. Certainly, Germany has been keen to avoidthe Commission dominating the Brexit process for fear that hardliners Juncker and Selmayr would adopt a confrontational and uncompromising stance against the UK.

EU member-state governments were quick to block an attempt by Selmayr to appoint himself as the coordinator of Brexit negotiations for the European Council – a job that council president Donald Tusk gave to the Belgian Didier Seeuws. But Selmayr remains in an ideal position to shape the commission task-force once the exit clause is triggered by the UK.

by Patricia Hogwood, Reader in European Politics, University of Westminster

 

[SIR ERNIE]

How does the EU fit into this? They have accepted the vote.

No they haven't, anymore than you have.
You both want it overturned.

 

[martcov]

No they haven't, anymore than you have.
You both want it overturned.

Selmayr said he is not a dreamer and Brexit will happen. He also said that only the British voters could change that. Merkel has accepted it.. everyone..

It is up to the British to reverse Brexit. I hope they do.

 

[Astute]

I wasn’t having a go at her for finding long overdue money to build houses I was having a go at her duplicity. Sorry that went over your head.

I see you’re back to blaming immigrants for the housing shortage. We’ll call that regression.

Blaming immigrants?

What a joke you are.

I suppose I am also blaming people for having kids.

So are you telling me that having an open door policy to anyone with an EU passport didn't make the housing crisis worse? Because that is what it sounds like.

 

[Astute]

I would say that UKIP is just as corrupt, if not more so. My brother worked for an UKIP MEP as researcher, got knocked for his wages and, yes, the guy did end up in jail. What happened to Nicky Sinclair ( our UKIP MEP during the Ricoh Northampton crisis)? She had her fingers in the expenses till didn’t she?

An MEP and not an MP.

Notice the difference?

 

[Astute]

I literally don’t know. I do know that Roy Jenkins headed the commission and we had the EU Foreign Minister ( forgot her name).

And how many presently are German?

 

[Astute]

If remain won and we stayed in the EU, who would you class as the losers?

How does the EU fit into this? They have accepted the vote. The people who want a final say are UK voters. There is no guarantee that all 27 countries want us back anyway. It only takes one veto to reject us. Whether we can cancel article 50 and automatically stay in, is in the process of being legally tested.

If remain won.....And YouGov say differently.....would we have another referendum to check the second one was correct?

 

[Astute]

And what is there that is different to what I have said and you disagree with Mart?

 

[Astute]

Selmayr said he is not a dreamer and Brexit will happen. He also said that only the British voters could change that. Merkel has accepted it.. everyone..

It is up to the British to reverse Brexit. I hope they do.

So why not accept it and start negotiating?

 

[skybluetony176]

Blaming immigrants?

What a joke you are.

I suppose I am also blaming people for having kids.

So are you telling me that having an open door policy to anyone with an EU passport didn't make the housing crisis worse? Because that is what it sounds like.

Can’t say I’ve ever heard you blaming people having kids before. I have heard you blaming immigrants though. In fact you’ve just done it again.

I’ve made the point to you before and you’re probably going to ignore it again but it’s good practice to have infrastructure that matches your economy. We don’t have that and haven’t for decades due to governments not reinvesting the money we’ve earned of the back of growth correctly. Growth that’s happened in part thanks to an EU workforce. Farmers can provide accommodation for their EU workforce yet successive government have failed to do it for the rest of the economy. Hardly the EU’s fault and hardly the fault of the immigrants who have helped grow our economy. The government has let them down as much as the next taxpayer.

 

[Sick Boy]

This talk of a second referendum is very dangerous.

I can't believe anyone could honestly back this. I keep hearing 'opinions have changed', yet haven't heard a single leave voter actually say they've changed their mind.

It's democracy EU style. The more people that stamp their feet and demand another vote, the more they prove that others were right to question such an establishment.

It wouldn't be a people's vote. We've had that already. It would be a losers vote.

How is it anything to do with the EU? The UK would be the one initiating it and having the vote. The EU has accepted the UK is leaving.

Still waiting for your Prague message by the way

 

[Sick Boy]

Blaming immigrants?

What a joke you are.

I suppose I am also blaming people for having kids.

So are you telling me that having an open door policy to anyone with an EU passport didn't make the housing crisis worse? Because that is what it sounds like.

It's easier to blame tax-paying immigrants both from EU and rest of the world in both recent times and the last few decades than it is to look at the real culprits.

 

[Sick Boy]

Just got confirmation of moving over to Verona just after Christmas, can't wait

 

[martcov]

So why not accept it and start negotiating?

You can’t negotiate until the other side say what they want. After 2 years May turned up with a plan which everyone knew and had said was unworkable. So, we still haven’t got any further with the main points.

 

[martcov]

If remain won.....And YouGov say differently.....would we have another referendum to check the second one was correct?

I gave you the YouGov figures of 53:47% remain as answer to the question „if“ there was a referendum today how would you vote.

If remain win a future referendum, then it will be because the younger voters voted for it. Every year that passes increases the remain vote as the young want a known future in Europe rather than booming Britain in 50 years time after it has recovered from being flooded by cheap ( less regulated ) products from emerging markets. The gap will grow and there will be no need to reconfirm the obvious.

We don’t all have our fortunes invested in emerging markets, otherwise I would be a fan of your idol Rees Mogg. Ask him why he invested in emerging markets and the EU as opposed to Brexit Britain.

 

[martcov]

Just got confirmation of moving over to Verona just after Christmas, can't wait

I hope they are building new roads and houses for you. You don‘t want to put Italians on the street or hog their roads.

Still you’ll be an ex pat rather than an EU migrant.

 

[Astute]

Plenty of MEP’s have gone to jail for expense fraud. Just to prove that they’re equal to any and all political constitutions. Which is the point that you’re spectacularly missing.

Where was that?

 

[Astute]

You claim that. 27 countries are sticking together. That’s their policy.

I have never said negotiating is not a two way thing, so why mention it?

So everyone out of the 27 have said they don't want to negotiate?

 

[martcov]

And how many presently are German?

Top jobs: President. There are 3 - parliament, commission and council . none are German.

 

[Astute]

They said it bent the law to the limit, but didn’t break it. Yes it was wrong, but still stands. Let’s see what they say tomorrow. It will be more about it not happening again though.

In what way am I not being honest?

So what law did it bend to the limit?

It broke all the rules and regulations.

 

[martcov]

So everyone out of the 27 have said they don't want to negotiate?

No. They are all sticking together and asking for a workable proposal. Don’t hold your breath.

 

[Astute]

I gave you the YouGov figures of 53:47% remain as answer to the question „if“ there was a referendum today how would you vote.

If remain win a future referendum, then it will be because the younger voters voted for it. Every year that passes increases the remain vote as the young want a known future in Europe rather than booming Britain in 50 years time after it has recovered from being flooded by cheap ( less regulated ) products from emerging markets. The gap will grow and there will be no need to reconfirm the obvious.

We don’t all have our fortunes invested in emerging markets, otherwise I would be a fan of your idol Rees Mogg. Ask him why he invested in emerging markets and the EU as opposed to Brexit Britain.

So you have changed what you said about him now. OK.

So how about the link I provided for you that showed Brexit is bad for hedge funds?

 

[martcov]

So what law did it bend to the limit?

It broke all the rules and regulations.

4 points of maladministration to be exact. The Commission has not accepted some points and these will be discussed tomorrow.

 

[Astute]

No. They are all sticking together and asking for a workable proposal. Don’t hold your breath.

Neither am I. Because they don't want to settle for anything less than us staying in the EU.

 

[Astute]

4 points of maladministration to be exact. The Commission has not accepted some points and these will be discussed tomorrow.

So explain to me how a law couldn't be broke if there is one governing the rules and regulations when all the rules and regulations were broke.

 

[Astute]

Can’t say I’ve ever heard you blaming people having kids before. I have heard you blaming immigrants though. In fact you’ve just done it again.

I’ve made the point to you before and you’re probably going to ignore it again but it’s good practice to have infrastructure that matches your economy. We don’t have that and haven’t for decades due to governments not reinvesting the money we’ve earned of the back of growth correctly. Growth that’s happened in part thanks to an EU workforce. Farmers can provide accommodation for their EU workforce yet successive government have failed to do it for the rest of the economy. Hardly the EU’s fault and hardly the fault of the immigrants who have helped grow our economy. The government has let them down as much as the next taxpayer.

So explain to me how I am blaming them for anything when all I am doing is stating a fact.

Was it me earlier having a go at May for financing home building? Not at all.

Look back. I stated that it has been governments from both sides who are to blame. But of course you ignore that.