Stand back and light the blue touch paper...
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (242 Viewers)
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Stand back and light the blue touch paper...
„Greater German Empire“? Mad as a hatter.
Le maire also said everyone wants a good deal and said Chequers was a move in the right direction and praised May‘s courage.
Some people are just too thick to comprehend statements.
We virtually did that once. The papers and liars put on a great show and the Brexit act, starring BoJo, Farage, Gove and Rees Mogg won.
We are now asking for a serious, but boring, vote based on facts. You probably won’t be interested.
Here is the opposite viewpoint to Rees Mogg:
„Competitiveness is often confused with one-sided social regression but competitiveness is not achieved through social regression. Competitiveness is achieved by developing a broad range of approaches. Competitiveness is essential to make the European Union a more attractive location. A location for people, for investors.
This includes the principle that the economy has to serve the people and not the other way round. The economy must serve the people.
This means that internal market provisions cannot be valued more highly than social provisions, which would otherwise just be minimum standards. The internal market does not automatically have priority; social factors must also play a role in Europe.
I am an enthusiastic supporter of the social market economy. 'Prosperity for all' was what Ludwig Erhardt said. Not 'prosperity for just a few'. 'Prosperity for all' must be the maxim followed in both economic and social policies alike. In view of the crisis, people often say that the social market economy has failed. It is not the social market economy which has failed but those who, out of greed for profit, for money and for easy money, have disregarded the cardinal virtues of the social market economy.“
Prosperity for all? You won’t be getting that post Brexit. Deregulation and lower taxes for businesses will lead to a Trump style pocket what you can economy. You won’t find such quotes ( see above ) in Rees Mogg speeches.
Astute
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They kept to diesel engines here but later technologies where they have moved to. Diesel is on its way out.
And as you have said you admit they have been moving out.
Astute
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Post these links. If they say what you make out they do you would already have done it.
Astute
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Would you like to explain how animal welfare standards are much higher in the UK than in most of the EU?
Of course you don't. Because headlines are there to be twisted.
Astute
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So top jobs in the UK are not elected for? Just like the EU?
No. But let's twist the truth.
Astute
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Yet you normally ignore the good comments towards Brexit and champion every bad comment towards Brexit.
Do you think it makes you clever or thick?
clint van damme
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They kept to diesel engines here but later technologies where they have moved to. Diesel is on its way out.
And as you have said you admit they have been moving out.[/QUOTE]
strange turn of phrase, admit, it's just a fact, our company had some involvement in a project that started here and was going to be moved.
I still think they will plan to build hybrid/electric cars in this country. If that is what they're planning I don't know whether disruption to the supply chain will change their way of thinking, I don't think it will personally.
I do expect there to be massive disruption, what I have no idea of is how long it will go on for.
And as you have said you admit they have been moving out.[/QUOTE]
strange turn of phrase, admit, it's just a fact, our company had some involvement in a project that started here and was going to be moved.
I still think they will plan to build hybrid/electric cars in this country. If that is what they're planning I don't know whether disruption to the supply chain will change their way of thinking, I don't think it will personally.
I do expect there to be massive disruption, what I have no idea of is how long it will go on for.
Astute
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And your point is?
As it says the third biggest trade area for the EU after China and America is the UK.
Astute
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strange turn of phrase, admit, it's just a fact, our company had some involvement in a project that started here and was going to be moved.
I still think they will plan to build hybrid/electric cars in this country. If that is what they're planning I don't know whether disruption to the supply chain will change their way of thinking, I don't think it will personally.
I do expect there to be massive disruption, what I have no idea of is how long it will go on for.[/QUOTE]
As JLR have already tried they will blame Brexit for everything. Just like they did with the problems caused by keeping to diesel engines. A great way of taking the blame away from management mistakes if it sticks. And so many people are looking for things to blame in Brexit.
Sick Boy
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And I suppose that you speak without any bias and simply speak 'the truth'?
Astute
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Look at the comments from Mart, Tony and yourself. The vast majority are biased and not the full truth. If that wasn't the case I wouldn't have to keep pointing it all out. Then I could spend more time commenting on the problems with Brexit.
And there certainly is plenty.
Sick Boy
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Then why have you never challenged those posters who only ever speak positives of Brexit?
The way you're portraying it is as though it's only pro-remain posting on the thread when in reality it's a 50/50 split, if not more weighted towards leave.
clint van damme
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As JLR have already tried they will blame Brexit for everything. Just like they did with the problems caused by keeping to diesel engines. A great way of taking the blame away from management mistakes if it sticks. And so many people are looking for things to blame in Brexit.[/QUOTE]
I've consistently said it has little or nothing to do with Brexit. BMWs shut down in April has and I have no idea about Volkswagen.
As I say, I fully expect JIT supply chains to be impacted massively when we leave though. That is if we leave the customs union, who knows, we may not yet.
What good comments? And as I quote things or post links and corrections to your posts, I would not put myself into the same class as some more rabid leavers who just spew cliches and Faragisms as if they’ve just read the Express, Sun or Mail.
Yes, has anyone disputed that the UK trading with our neighbours is not massively important? Apart from the Faragists who say only 10% of firms have anything to do with EU trade.
It was a question, followed by the latest rumour about Selmayr coming to London.
No. Let’s see you explain how our top civil servants are elected. Juncker was put forward by his party as Spitzenkandidat, elected 26 to 2 by an electoral college of 28 heads of government and by a majority in the EU parliament. Now, over to you.
No. It is you that ignores the quotes from the USA about May speaking to Americans like a second hand car salesperson with undeliverable promises, and from the EU about prosperity for all and that the greed of the few caused the 2008 crisis. The opposite viewpoint to your idol Rees Mogg. You say you are more labour, but the EU quote was more Centre left labour. You didn’t want to comment on that.. you prefer going on and on and on about Selmayr.
skybluetony176
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I have never met someone who is so opinionated yet be so clueless. It’s seems everything just passes you by regardless of how high profile news it was at the time.
Jailed fraud MEP told to pay back money
Disgraced ex-Ukip MEP Tom Wise jailed for two years for expenses fraud
Former MEP is jailed for £500,000 expenses swindle
Austrian ex-MEP jailed for bribes
The fact that you seriously need a link to the following two enormous U.K. scandals is scandalous in itself
No Expenses Spared: the inside story of the Telegraph's MPs' expenses investigation
Cash for questions: scandal that should have changed face of British politics
Happy now? Or do you want to make yourself look even more foolish? Trust me, there’s an endless source of theses stories should you be bothered to look for them.
skybluetony176
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Most civil servants are appointed not elected. That’s a fact. The only one trying to twist truths is you.
skybluetony176
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Because we’ve recognised animals as sentient beings for a long time in law, until recently.
Astute
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Why don't you look back. The vast majority are questioning what is said by pro EU and anti Brexit. And mentioning why Brexit could be good in ways.
A few of you make out we need to stay in whatever. Nobody is saying we must leave whatever. That is the difference.
I have a busy life girls. Keep up with the back slapping and slagging the UK off. And then you have the defending of the EU however bent it is that it does. It seems to make you happy.
Sick Boy
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For someone who claims to speak 'the truth', your claims are nothing but outright lies.
Questioning Brexit doesn't equate to slagging off the UK. Your use of 'girls' as an insult is like something out of the 1980s.
Astute
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Ok. Good boy.
skybluetony176
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You’re posting that like I’ve disagreed with you, I haven’t.
Do you think that a political party in power voting that animals don’t feel pain or are capable of emotions is going to be good or bad for animal welfare? By any stretch of the imagination it’s not an indication that more compassion is going to be given to animals is it? If you were wanting to do that you would want it more entrenched in law that animals are sentient beings not take that away from them.
skybluetony176
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Lost the argument right there. At least you were arguing before this point.
Captain Dart
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She is actually an MP! Unbelievable, a General Strike is not a solution to anything, she is living in a 1920's parallel universe.
But Brexit is? A general strike, mad as it is, wouldn’t last more than a couple of weeks and wouldn’t take us out of the SM and CU.
He lost the argument when he had to resort to endless Juncker and Selmayr red herrings to avoid facts about the negative impact of a hard Brexit.
skybluetony176
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Pointing what out? The majority of your posts are a distraction from the point and usually go along the lines of what about Selmayr/Merkel/Junker (delete as appropriate).