The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (334 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

The best one I have heard for a while came from a friend of my wifes last night in the pub.

She said (from nowhere as Brexit wasn't being discussed) and I quote: "I have always loved the royal family, but I am starting to go off them now as they have't ome out and openly supported Brexit".

Genius

I have a mate who voted brexit because he believes immigration is diluting our traditions, next sentence from him was that the Royal family should be abolished. My response, they’re a British tradition.

 

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[skybluetony176]

Would you like to point out the contradiction?

Really? OK then. If they’re the only people watching the BBC why didn’t that demographic vote remain as a majority? Either they’re not the only people watching the BBC or the BBC isn’t the rabid remainers that rabid leavers promote it to be.

 

[Astute]

I have a mate who voted brexit because he believes immigration is diluting our traditions, next sentence from him was that the Royal family should be abolished. My response, they’re a British tradition.

A British tradition with a lot of German in it.

 

[Astute]

Really? OK then. If they’re the only people watching the BBC why didn’t that demographic vote remain as a majority? Either they’re not the only people watching the BBC or the BBC isn’t the rabid remainers that rabid leavers promote it to be.

So who has said that only old people watch the BBC?

 

[skybluetony176]

I have gone quiet because all you few ever do is try to twist what I say and defend the EU as in your life depends on it.

Then you pretend it is a debate.

I gave you multiple links that backed what I was saying and as I pointed out I could provide many many more should I wished. You’re confusing twisting with correcting. I was correct 100% in what I claimed.

 

[Astute]

I gave you multiple links that backed what I was saying and as I pointed out I could provide many many more should I wished. You’re confusing twisting with correcting. I was correct 100% in what I claimed.

Is that right?

You even do it with something not directly linked with Brexit. Look at your BBC related comments. This whole thread has become a bigger joke than before when it was already a joke.

 

[skybluetony176]

A British tradition with a lot of German in it.

The Saxons were also German, do you think outside influences are a new phenomenon in the U.K.? It’s positively what’s shaped this country and traditions. Our whole culture is a mix of what people have brought here when invading, many of those things are also things that said people adopted from other countries that they invaded. And also things we’ve taken from other cultures when we’ve invaded their countries. Or did you think Yorkshire Tea is grown somewhere near Leeds.

 

[skybluetony176]

So who has said that only old people watch the BBC?

Not me. Are you twisting the truth again?

 

[skybluetony176]

Is that right?

You even do it with something not directly linked with Brexit. Look at your BBC related comments. This whole thread has become a bigger joke than before when it was already a joke.

It was never going to be any other way. Welcome to the reality that is brexit.

By the way you brought the BBC into the thread as a sideshow not me.

 

[Astute]

It was never going to be any other way. Welcome to the reality that is brexit.

You mean people constantly twisting the truth because they didn't get the result they wanted?

 

[martcov]

So what has happened to the majority that you jeep going on about that don't want to leave?

Remain would be ahead in fresh EU vote, poll of polls tracker suggests

You twist everything. I said if there were a referendum remain would win. That is not the same as the question YouGov asked.

 

[martcov]

You mean people constantly twisting the truth because they didn't get the result they wanted?

Or don’t like it when other people see it differently.

 

[Sick Boy]

I have gone quiet because all you few ever do is try to twist what I say and defend the EU as in your life depends on it.

Then you pretend it is a debate.

All you ever do is defend Brexit and don't debate.

 

[martcov]

We have never had much of a say. And as the EU doesn't want to negotiate we don't get much of a say in leaving until things change either.

Someone calculated that in the last ( 15 or 20 years- I cannot remember exactly)) in 83% of occasions in the Council we voted with the majority. And were outvoted less times than Germany who, according to some idiots, run the show. Where do you get your „facts“? Farage? The Express, Sun, Telegraph or Mail?

 

[martcov]

Working man needs to be in the EU?

Tell that to the Ford workers where the EU borrowed the money to take their jobs out of the EU.

That is bullshit. 2+2=5. it doesn’t.

 

[skybluetony176]

You mean people constantly twisting the truth because they didn't get the result they wanted?

Who is going to get the result they wanted exactly? Those that voted leave expecting a hard brexit? Those that voted leave expecting a Canada brexit? Those that voted leave expecting a Canada+ Brexit? Those that voted leave expecting a chequers plan brexit? Those that voted leave expecting a Norway brexit? They all knew what they voted for apparently so it seems as many leavers are not going to get the result they wanted as remainers.

I love the way you keep saying twisting the truth as if you’ve ever put any meaning behind it. It’s empty rhetoric.

 

[Captain Dart]

So Corbyn says.....the pro BBC relays.

Corbyn talks Brexit with EU's Barnier

But look at what the British public really think. These are the top comments. Not bad for a pro remain outlet

27 Sept 2018 09:43

Barnier does not want a deal because he want’s the punish the UK so that no other country will dare to vote against the corrupt, failed, political nightmare that the EU has become.

He’s the problem with his dogmatic EU rhetoric – he’s the most powerful person in Europe and yet no one voted for him.

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Comment number15. Posted byCecilon27 Sept 2018 09:48

Corbyn has betrayed Labour Leave voters, especially in the northern British cities by keeping ‘Remain’ as an option. No longer a conviction politician, this is utterly disgraceful.

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Comment number4. Posted byDo Not Pass Go - Do Not Collect 200 Poundson27 Sept 2018 09:43

Why do Labour think they would do any better at striking a deal with the EU?

The only way they will get a deal is if they give in to every EU demand; And any fool can get a deal if you agree to everything the other side demands and in return abandon all your demands.

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Comment number6. Posted byMath Manon27 Sept 2018 09:43

Corbyn travels to the heart of darkness in Brussels as a humble supplicant to sell out the working class of the UK, Blair and the metropolitan elites will be happy
The EU does NOT negotiate. Instead, it simply says “what is your plan” and “Your plan is insufficient” and continues this charade until they get surrender.
Corbyn will be a “class traitor” if he does
Brexit=Freedom

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Comment number18. Posted byGreensideon27 Sept 2018 09:50

Who is this dope to issue warnings!! A much much bigger national disaster would be him in government. When you have his Labour MPs, who represent their constituents, advocating social disorder and strikes it proves just how unfit this opposition party is to govern – a total disgrace! This current labour bunch would drag us down to being a third world country in next to no time.

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Comment number28. Posted bycoopermanon27 Sept 2018 09:51

If 'Uncle Joe' Corbyn and the rest of the loony Marxists ever get into power the EU quite rightly would be glad to see the back of the UK. Having worked in several former communist block countries and seeing the appalling state they were in when the Soviet Union fell, take my word for it he would be a disaster for us also!

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Comment number37. Posted by50shadesofearlgreyon27 Sept 2018 09:54

Labour's 6 tests can only be achieved without Brexit




"He's NOT the messiah

He's a very deceitful,duplicitous demogogue..."

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Comment number7. Posted byNurse Whoon27 Sept 2018 09:44

Labour simply want to keep us in the EU at all costs. Corbyn would sell his own grandmother (and the UK) to achieve that.

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Comment number11. Posted byArchibaldLeachon27 Sept 2018 09:45

In this farce that is Brexit it's no surprise that Theresa May who has to implement leaving is a Remainer and Jeremy Corbyn who has to oppose it is a Leaver.

Could we be in a more ridiculous position?

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[Captain Dart]

Didn’t Barnier say over a year ago that the EU-Canada deal is the only deal that will work with Brexit? I see it’s Brexit hero BOJO’s “new” big idea this morning. No doubt his followers will be lapping it up even though it’s actually the idea of Barnier. If we go for that we’ve literally had no say in what shape Brexit takes. Everything will be exactly as the EU says it will be from the divorce bill to the final deal. Taking back control etc.

I don't actually think he has many followers, the smarter candidates for succession to the Tory party leadership will be using him as a battering ram to knock over May when the time is right, I reckon their next leader will be either Rees-Mogg or Javid.

 

[Astute]

Remain would be ahead in fresh EU vote, poll of polls tracker suggests

You twist everything. I said if there were a referendum remain would win. That is not the same as the question YouGov asked.

And here you go again.

Tracker suggests becomes remain would win.

Just like most knew remain would win first time. But some of us won a lot of money as we used common sense instead of wishful thinking.

 

[Astute]

Or don’t like it when other people see it differently.

No. Twisting my words and twisting the truth constantly.

 

[Astute]

All you ever do is defend Brexit and don't debate.

How am I supposed to have a debate with bitter and twisted people?

 

[Astute]

That is bullshit. 2+2=5. it doesn’t.

Which part of it is bullshit then?

 

[Astute]

Who is going to get the result they wanted exactly? Those that voted leave expecting a hard brexit? Those that voted leave expecting a Canada brexit? Those that voted leave expecting a Canada+ Brexit? Those that voted leave expecting a chequers plan brexit? Those that voted leave expecting a Norway brexit? They all knew what they voted for apparently so it seems as many leavers are not going to get the result they wanted as remainers.

I love the way you keep saying twisting the truth as if you’ve ever put any meaning behind it. It’s empty rhetoric.

Of course it is because you are one who constantly does it.

I am not getting what I wanted as I wanted remain. But that doesn't mean that I should lie and twist everything I don't like.

 

[Astute]

I don't actually think he has many followers, the smarter candidates for succession to the Tory party leadership will be using him as a battering ram to knock over May when the time is right, I reckon their next leader will be either Rees-Mogg or Javid.

Why don't you learn. If you mention who you think might be the next Tory leader it means you worship that person to some on here.

 

[Astute]

Someone calculated that in the last ( 15 or 20 years- I cannot remember exactly)) in 83% of occasions in the Council we voted with the majority. And were outvoted less times than Germany who, according to some idiots, run the show. Where do you get your „facts“? Farage? The Express, Sun, Telegraph or Mail?

Strangely enough you have quoted those more than me.

But it is OK for a remainer to quote them though isn't it.

 

[Captain Dart]

The BBC should be closed down - discuss

The method of funding needs a radical rethink. The licence fee raises around £3.7bilion.

Apparently 10% of criminal cases in England are about licence fee evasion.
TV LICENCE SHAME: 1 in 3 dragged to court for not paying BBC fee have cases thrown out

I say abolish the licence and take BBC funding out of central funds and slap a higher level of VAT or other tax on connective devices to compensate.

 

[skybluetony176]

I don't actually think he has many followers, the smarter candidates for succession to the Tory party leadership will be using him as a battering ram to knock over May when the time is right, I reckon their next leader will be either Rees-Mogg or Javid.

You could be right but that’s not to say that he doesn’t have a popular following. Not necessarily from within the Tory party core membership but a lot of the public that voted leave certainly like him. And why wouldn’t they, he’s telling them what they want to hear even if he isn’t 100% genuine. Rees Mogg has ruled himself out of a leadership competition everytime it’s mentioned so he’ll probably throw his name in the hat. Who will win? Who knows. My guess is we’ll find out not long after the Tory conference. Especially if it’s as much as a disaster as the last one.

 

[skybluetony176]

Of course it is because you are one who constantly does it.

I am not getting what I wanted as I wanted remain. But that doesn't mean that I should lie and twist everything I don't like.

I’ve read your reply several times now and I just can’t see how what you’ve got to say is coherent or relevant to my post. Did you reply to the wrong post by accident?

 

[Captain Dart]

Why don't you learn. If you mention who you think might be the next Tory leader it means you worship that person to some on here.

I mentioned Kavanagh earlier, do I now have to eulogize his infinite wisdom?

 

[Captain Dart]

You could be right but that’s not to say that he doesn’t have a popular following. Not necessarily from within the Tory party core membership but a lot of the public that voted leave certainly like him. And why wouldn’t they, he’s telling them what they want to hear even if he isn’t 100% genuine. Rees Mogg has ruled himself out of a leadership competition everytime it’s mentioned so he’ll probably throw his name in the hat. Who will win? Who knows. My guess is we’ll find out not long after the Tory conference. Especially if it’s as much as a disaster as the last one.

No they don't, he is widely regarded as a clown.

 

[martcov]

And here you go again.

Tracker suggests becomes remain would win.

Just like most knew remain would win first time. But some of us won a lot of money as we used common sense instead of wishful thinking.

Poll tracker. And it is new.

 

[martcov]

Why don't you learn. If you mention who you think might be the next Tory leader it means you worship that person to some on here.

You’ve gone off Rees Mogg then? Who is your new hero?

 

[martcov]

No they don't, he is widely regarded as a clown.

That didn’t stop people voting leave.

 

[martcov]

Strangely enough you have quoted those more than me.

But it is OK for a remainer to quote them though isn't it.

I don‘t usually quote them as I may as well quote Farage direct. I did google Selmayer and there are loads of critics about him, but the Express won on articles and venom.

 

[Grendel]

Remain would be ahead in fresh EU vote, poll of polls tracker suggests

You twist everything. I said if there were a referendum remain would win. That is not the same as the question YouGov asked.

Lol it confirms in the interpretation of the data that the result is likely to be unchanged