The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (51 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

I don't actually think he has many followers, the smarter candidates for succession to the Tory party leadership will be using him as a battering ram to knock over May when the time is right, I reckon their next leader will be either Rees-Mogg or Javid.

No way will it be Rees-Mogg, his religious views are pretty extreme for a lot of ordinary people in this country.

However, like a lot of other religious nutjobs, he is a fucking hypocrite
Anti-abortion MP Jacob Rees-Mogg admits profiting from sale of abortion pills

In his warped mind he believes it wrong for a rape victim to seek an abortion, yet he's happy to profit from it.

Javid is much, much more likely.

 

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[Sick Boy]

How am I supposed to have a debate with bitter and twisted people?

No one is bitter and twisted on here.

Still haven't seen you post anything other than pro-Brexit stuff by the way, or point out the dangers of Brexit to your other fellow Brexiteers.

Weird that.

If it goes wrong, I'm half expecting you to claim that you were pro-remain all along.

 

[skybluetony176]

No way will it be Rees-Mogg, his religious views are pretty extreme for a lot of ordinary people in this country.

However, like a lot of other religious nutjobs, he is a fucking hypocrite
Anti-abortion MP Jacob Rees-Mogg admits profiting from sale of abortion pills

In his warped mind he believes it wrong for a rape victim to seek an abortion, yet his happy to profit from it.

Javid is much, much more likely.

He was cornered on question time on Thursday by one of the other panielists as to why he’s felt it necessary to open an office in Dublin for his investment firm. He started going on about it being an international business having offices in New York, Sydney etc. All offices in different time zones and 8+ hours away by plane which is understandable. Dublin is less than an hour and a half away from London and in the same time zone, there can be only one need to open an office there. To retain access to the EU. Fine if he believes that it’s a price worth paying and the cost of doing this to his business is going to be offset with the comfort of it being in the best interests of the U.K. but he never said that, he hid behind a cloud of we’re an international business instead.

 

[martcov]

He was cornered on question time on Thursday by one of the other panielists as to why he’s felt it necessary to open an office in Dublin for his investment firm. He started going on about it being an international business having offices in New York, Sydney etc. All offices in different time zones and 8+ hours away by plane which is understandable. Dublin is less than an hour and a half away from London and in the same time zone, there can be only one need to open an office there. To retain access to the EU. Fine if he believes that it’s a price worth paying and the cost of doing this to his business is going to be offset with the comfort of it being in the best interests of the U.K. but he never said that, he hid behind a cloud of we’re an international business instead.

If the pound falls against the Euro he can transfer some Euros back and cash in on the exchange rate.

 

[martcov]

Lol it confirms in the interpretation of the data that the result is likely to be unchanged

As opposed to Astute‘s version that loads of staunch remainers, like him, have changed their minds and leave would win any referendum.

 

[skybluetony176]

If the pound falls against the Euro he can transfer some Euros back and cash in on the exchange rate.

Brexit warning from investment firm co-founded by Rees-Mogg

 

[dancers lance]

Personally I'd say the likes of Rees Mogg, Gove, Johnson, Patel etc are very much part of the political class. To think that these sort of politicians are sticking up the people left behind is insane.

SB, are these people not part of the two major parties as I mentioned? at no point did I imply that the mob you mentioned are sticking up for the people 'left behind' quite the opposite. If you read my post again, I am quite clearly saying that the protest vote happened because the political elite, in it's entirety, has left people behind, I don't just mean the posh twat's when I say political elite, I include every serving MP.

 

[martcov]

SB, are these people not part of the two major parties as I mentioned? at no point did I imply that the mob you mentioned are sticking up for the people 'left behind' quite the opposite. If you read my post again, I am quite clearly saying that the protest vote happened because the political elite, in it's entirety, has left people behind, I don't just mean the posh twat's when I say political elite, I include every serving MP.

And who is behind the Rees Mogg plans for deregulation and an open doors trade policy?

US groups raise millions to support rightwing UK thinktanks

That plus Banks‘ millions for the leave campaign... maybe the Russian millions supposedly for some mining deal which never arrived at the mining company.

Do you think that the millions being donated are for the benefit of the ‚left behind‘? I think the ‚left behind‘ were influenced into backing the wrong horse for other people’s benefit. Frankly, Jeremy Corbyn is the only chance for them. ... and dropping article 50. The EU protects their rights as opposed to the Rees Mogg and BoJo ideas.

 

[dancers lance]

And who is behind the Rees Mogg plans for deregulation and an open doors trade policy?

US groups raise millions to support rightwing UK thinktanks

That plus Banks‘ millions for the leave campaign... maybe the Russian millions supposedly for some mining deal which never arrived at the mining company.

Do you think that the millions being donated are for the benefit of the ‚left behind‘? I think the ‚left behind‘ were influenced into backing the wrong horse for other people’s benefit. Frankly, Jeremy Corbyn is the only chance for them. ... and dropping article 50. The EU protects their rights as opposed to the Rees Mogg and BoJo ideas.

I can't form an argument in reply, as most of the points you are attempting to attack me with, apart from me not agreeing that JC is the answer, I have never suggested or implied. Now, you can try and put words in my mouth, however Mart, Iv'e always considered you more intellectually capable than stooping to that.

 

[martcov]

I can't form an argument in reply, as most of the points you are attempting to attack me with, apart from me not agreeing that JC is the answer, I have never suggested or implied. Now, you can try and put words in my mouth, however Mart, Iv'e always considered you more intellectually capable than stooping to that.

Certainly wouldn’t do that. Just a bit peaved by people digging at Jeremy Corbyn. I am not a fan of his btw, but there are far worse alternatives at the moment and I feel people are being led up the garden path. In relation, Corbyn would actually do something for the areas who voted most strongly for Brexit. The alternatives that I mentioned couldn’t give a monkey‘s about the so called „left behind“.

 

[clint van damme]

Fuck me. Just seen Robert Pestons interview with Boris where Boris tried to explain why just in time supply chains won't be affected by leaving the single market.

We're being lead over a cliff by morons with posh voices.

 

[skybluetony176]

Fuck me. Just seen Robert Pestons interview with Boris where Boris tried to explain why just in time supply chains won't be affected by leaving the single market.

We're being lead over a cliff by morons with posh voices.

Used an example of why it will work using the aero industry where one of the two movements of goods happened within the single market so goods arrived JIT in Derby from Berlin and then used Switzerland which is all but in name in the single market (not sure what Switzerland makes apart from cuckoo clocks, sewing machines and chocolate). The bloke doesn’t have one single answer.

 

[martcov]

Which part of it is bullshit then?

We went through this once. I am not doing it again just because you didn’t want to understand it the first time round.

 

[chiefdave]

Can't have been any worse than the car crash May has had on Marr this morning.

At least we've got the Festival of Brexit to look forward to
Theresa May proposes £120m Brexit festival to take place in 2022

 

[skybluetony176]

Can't have been any worse than the car crash May has had on Marr this morning.

At least we've got the Festival of Brexit to look forward to
Theresa May proposes £120m Brexit festival to take place in 2022

Festival of Brexit! Heard it all now. Might end up being a wake.

 

[martcov]

Festival of Brexit! Heard it all now. Might end up being a wake.

Festival of Britain in 1951 was a Festival to celebrate surviving the war and looking forward to prosperous, peaceful future... Which the vast majority enjoyed as our living standards and life expectancy rose....Festival of Brexit ( timed to be just before the election) is likely to take place in a period of uncertainty looking forward to whatever.. more uncertainty, maybe more unemployment?.. Could be a major own goal for the Tories...

 

[clint van damme]

Can't have been any worse than the car crash May has had on Marr this morning.

At least we've got the Festival of Brexit to look forward to
Theresa May proposes £120m Brexit festival to take place in 2022

Crashtonbury?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Fuck me. Just seen Robert Pestons interview with Boris where Boris tried to explain why just in time supply chains won't be affected by leaving the single market.

We're being lead over a cliff by morons with posh voices.

JIT worked before the EU, it works in non-EU countries. The scheduling has to be changed, may or may not result in additional costs. Hardly a cliff-edge...but hey, I love a good drama

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[SkyblueBazza]

Used an example of why it will work using the aero industry where one of the two movements of goods happened within the single market so goods arrived JIT in Derby from Berlin and then used Switzerland which is all but in name in the single market (not sure what Switzerland makes apart from cuckoo clocks, sewing machines and chocolate). The bloke doesn’t have one single answer.

Pretty big in Pharma, agriculturals, machines...to name a few. Mock them at leisure

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[skybluetony176]

JIT worked before the EU, it works in non-EU countries. The scheduling has to be changed, may or may not result in additional costs. Hardly a cliff-edge...but hey, I love a good drama

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Will almost certainly result in additional costs. Free movement of goods are critical with JIT manufacturing. The alternative is stockpiling which means investment in material, investment in infrastructure to hold those materials and investment in capital because materials have to be bank rolled while they’re sitting on a shelf waiting to be used.? It’s not just final assembly that is put at risk it’s all the manufacturers in the supply chain that carry the risk. If you’re a U.K. supplier of widgets to a manufacturer in the EU and all of a sudden you have a customs barrier in the chain it’s an unknown to deal with and you have to prepare for every eventuality and possibility.

 

[clint van damme]

JIT worked before the EU, it works in non-EU countries. The scheduling has to be changed, may or may not result in additional costs. Hardly a cliff-edge...but hey, I love a good drama

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How will it work the day after we leave if there's no deal? You think goods arriving at UK ports from the EU will enter the country as seamlessly as they do now?

I work in a JIT facility, we don't have any parts arriving from outside the EU that aren't held in a bonded warehouse. Would me madness not to.

 

[skybluetony176]

Pretty big in Pharma, agriculturals, machines...to name a few. Mock them at leisure

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I’m not mocking them I’m pointing out that they have access in all but name to the single market and it benefits them. Boris is trying to hoodwink people by using them as an example of why a hard brexit will be OK, he’s then mocking the chequers plan in the next breath at the same time saying that it isn’t what people voted for and we’ll still be tied into EU standards and law. That’s exactly what Switzerland has done to gain access to the single market. Adopted EU law by way of a treaty to gain access to the single market for its manufacturing industries. There really isn’t much difference between Switzerland’s arrangement and the chequers plan. If anything Switzerland’s arrangement is even further away from what he’s trying to say people voted for than chequers is.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Will almost certainly result in additional costs. Free movement of goods are critical with JIT manufacturing. The alternative is stockpiling which means investment in material, investment in infrastructure to hold those materials and investment in capital because materials have to be bank rolled while they’re sitting on a shelf waiting to be used.? It’s not just final assembly that is put at risk it’s all the manufacturers in the supply chain that carry the risk. If you’re a U.K. supplier of widgets to a manufacturer in the EU and all of a sudden you have a customs barrier in the chain it’s an unknown to deal with and you have to prepare for every eventuality and possibility.

That's why the scheduling would need to be revisited. It isn't rocket science. They just simply undertake the same process in scheduling as they did in the first place...and no doubt revisit regularly...& make adjustments. Brexit is only one of a vast number of variables involved. That's the idea of JIT!

Stockpiling possibly, not definitely, will be needed in some cases, but only during transition.



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[clint van damme]

That's why the scheduling would need to be revisited. It isn't rocket science. They just simply undertake the same process in scheduling as they did in the first place...and no doubt revisit regularly...& make adjustments. Brexit is only one of a vast number of variables involved. That's the idea of JIT!

Stockpiling possibly, not definitely, will be needed in some cases, but only during transition.



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over 2.5 million trucks arrive from the EU every year, add 10 minutes to processing each of them at the port and you get some osrt of idea of the scale of the issue.
Holland have taken on over 750 extra customs officers to deal with vehicles arriving from the UK.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

I’m not mocking them I’m pointing out that they have access in all but name to the single market and it benefits them. Boris is trying to hoodwink people by using them as an example of why a hard brexit will be OK, he’s then mocking the chequers plan in the next breath at the same time saying that it isn’t what people voted for and we’ll still be tied into EU standards and law. That’s exactly what Switzerland has done to gain access to the single market. Adopted EU law by way of a treaty to gain access to the single market for its manufacturing industries. There really isn’t much difference between Switzerland’s arrangement and the chequers plan. If anything Switzerland’s arrangement is even further away from what he’s trying to say people voted for than chequers is.

You were at least belittling Switzerland - as you do when revelling in your glory of negativity around Brexit.

Who really cares or is totally influenced by Boris anyhow? Despite talking a degree of sense on some issues, he has blotted his copybook so many times he has become figure of fun predominantly to most us I suspect (and always was to a significant proprtion anyhow...but peolle listened. Don't think they do anymore outside of the media)

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[SkyblueBazza]

over 2.5 million trucks arrive from the EU every year, add 10 minutes to processing each of them at the port and you get some osrt of idea of the scale of the issue.
Holland have taken on over 750 extra customs officers to deal with vehicles arriving from the UK.

Oh...you mean moves to accommodate the necessary changes are already happening? Gasp!

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[clint van damme]

Oh...you mean moves to accommodate the necessary changes are already happening? Gasp!

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Are they happening in the UK?
So tell me, if you add 10 minute processing time to each vehicle what do you think will happen?

 

[clint van damme]

Despite talking a degree of sense on some issues, he has blotted his copybook so many times he has become figure of fun predominantly to most us I suspect (and always was to a significant proprtion anyhow...but peolle listened. Don't think they do anymore outside of the media)

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Yahoo is now part of Oath

 

[skybluetony176]

That's why the scheduling would need to be revisited. It isn't rocket science. They just simply undertake the same process in scheduling as they did in the first place...and no doubt revisit regularly...& make adjustments. Brexit is only one of a vast number of variables involved. That's the idea of JIT!

Stockpiling possibly, not definitely, will be needed in some cases, but only during transition.



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Do you schedule based on the assumption that the consignment is going to fly through customs or schedule just in case it gets pulled for a full inspection? Just so you know if it gets pulled that’s an unknown quantity. It’s happened a few times on goods we’ve imported at work and it’s averaged out as an extra 2-3 days at port, although once it was 2 weeks.

So do you ship based on best case scenario or worse? If you do it on worse that means that good are more than likely going to be held somewhere until ready for use. Who covers that cost?

If you ship based on best case scenario and the goods get held up at customs that can stop production. Who covers the cost of that?

 

[Captain Dart]

JIT worked before the EU, it works in non-EU countries. The scheduling has to be changed, may or may not result in additional costs. Hardly a cliff-edge...but hey, I love a good drama

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Surely you just build in an extra customs delay. Not the end of the world. Same thing in reverse, and what about components sourced from USA/Taiwan/China etc., that is even more tricky.

 

[Captain Dart]

Will almost certainly result in additional costs. Free movement of goods are critical with JIT manufacturing. The alternative is stockpiling which means investment in material, investment in infrastructure to hold those materials and investment in capital because materials have to be bank rolled while they’re sitting on a shelf waiting to be used.? It’s not just final assembly that is put at risk it’s all the manufacturers in the supply chain that carry the risk. If you’re a U.K. supplier of widgets to a manufacturer in the EU and all of a sudden you have a customs barrier in the chain it’s an unknown to deal with and you have to prepare for every eventuality and possibility.

Suddenly you are an expert on JiT?

 

[Grendel]

Suddenly you are an expert on JiT?

Tony should be advising the Civil Service - he clearly is something of an expert on this matter - as well as on the fact Switzerland only export cuckoo clocks

 

[clint van damme]

Surely you just build in an extra customs delay. Not the end of the world. Same thing in reverse, and what about components sourced from USA/Taiwan/China etc., that is even more tricky.

which means the whole supply chain needs realigning. What benefit is that seen as Brexit was supposed to deliver all sorts of benefits?
And even with factoring in extra time to clear customs we won't be ready by the end of next March.

Shipping chief predicts three years of no-deal Brexit chaos

 

[skybluetony176]

Suddenly you are an expert on JiT?

More than the likes of Boris and Rees-Mogg by the looks of it. I work in the manufacturing industry, not on the scale of a car factory but the principals are the same. I’m responsible for purchasing goods and some of them come from outside of the EU and I have to factor in every possibility when ordering. Our production schedule always revolves around what’s on the longest lead time and my purchasing schedule is the same. If you get it wrong or something goes wrong in the supply chain that means one of two things. You have components sitting waiting for everything else or you have production stop. Here’s the thing. The people who supply the components sitting around don’t care if something else is late and you can’t finish production, raise your invoice and collect your money. They’ve supplied the goods as ordered, they’ve raised their invoice and they want paying. That effects your cash flow and there’s a cost to that. Here’s the other thing, production stops and you have people sat twiddling their thumbs. They still want paying also.

 

[Grappa]

JIT worked before the EU

JIT came in over here mid 90s