skybluetony176
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Read the article you linked. It tells you in their. It also tells you why the government chose to raise interest rates. You’re article contradicts everything you’ve said.
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Read the article you linked. It tells you in their. It also tells you why the government chose to raise interest rates. You’re article contradicts everything you’ve said.
Grendel
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Tony you said the interest rate was 7% when we left are you standing by that statement?
Grendel
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In their lol
SkyblueBazza
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Tit...if they are mainly bad they are either pandering as you suggest ("to the leave camp"), scaremongering as it sells their media or at least it's agenda, or there is a 50:50 chance they are actually going to become reality.
Not sure what you mean by "Given that was the majority"..? Unless you are finally convinced that the majority of peolle that cared enough wanted to leave?!
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skybluetony176
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I might have been wrong in saying that it was 7% at the point we left but I was going from memory and it was a long time ago.
Fact is it wasn’t at 15% when we “plunged” in and it did fall down to 7% within 2 years of membership and as your article tells you the reason they climbed again was politically motivated. So I guess the real question is are you going to stand by your statement? I’m big enough to say I got something wrong let’s see if you are.
skybluetony176
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They’ve reported what industry has said and they’ve explained why. Maybe it’s Toyota or JLR or Airbus or Mini etc etc that are pandering to the leavers. Or maybe just maybe they understand the effects of Brexit better than you. I’m going with the latter.
SkyblueBazza
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Astute
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Who are we negotiating with?
The EU refuse to negotiate. It is always come back with something better. That isn't negotiating. If we continue to bend over we will get badly shafted.
Now is the time to say enough is enough. You want to cherry pick our fishing rights. We want a free trade deal. That isn't us cherry picking. IIRC only 3 EU countries buy more off us than we buy off them. And one of them is Ireland. We want something that will benefit the vast majority. What is wrong with that?
I can see there being a price to pay. Something like a few billion a year into the EU.
Open borders still? Waste of time leaving if that is the case.
Astute
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:wideyed:
dutchman
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Italy's pro-refugee mayor Domenico Lucano arrested
The mayor of an Italian town known around the world as a model of integration has been put under house arrest for 'aiding illegal migration'.
Domenico Lucano, who has been the mayor of the southern Italian town of Riace since 2004, is also accused of unlawful conduct in assigning contracts for rubbish collection services.
Lucano's partner, Tesfahun Lemlem, was banned from living in the town under the same charges.
The arrest on Tuesday morning came amid a government inquiry into the allocation of funds for refugees in the town.
The mayor of an Italian town known around the world as a model of integration has been put under house arrest for 'aiding illegal migration'.
Domenico Lucano, who has been the mayor of the southern Italian town of Riace since 2004, is also accused of unlawful conduct in assigning contracts for rubbish collection services.
Lucano's partner, Tesfahun Lemlem, was banned from living in the town under the same charges.
The arrest on Tuesday morning came amid a government inquiry into the allocation of funds for refugees in the town.
Grendel
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I didn’t say it was 15% when we joined Tony
The EU are negotiating in the background on trade, but the main problem is that the UK wants the benefits of membership without being a member. The EU is not leaving, we are. We are leaving because we don’t like one or more of the 4 freedoms guaranteed by the EU, and now we expect the EU to drop their own rules for us. Trade is negotiable, but not the 4 freedoms.
You say open borders with the EU are the problem. Different to your normal Selmayr Juncker and fish story. You just don’t like foreigners coming in from the EU.
skybluetony176
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That’s a no then isn’t it little grendull.
Anti refugee, pro Brexit, president not arrested for a life built on dodging taxes;
Trump dodged hundreds of millions in inheritance taxes, documents show
Astute
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Why is it you say that I don't have any reasons for us leaving the EU. Then you say different to my normal reasons. Do I have to mention every reason every post?
Or are you saying that I don't have any valid points when mentioning Selmayr, Juncker and the EU wanting to cherry pick our fishing rights?
And why is it that you admit that you are biased towards the EU but say you are not biased? :shifty:
Astute
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So what has Trump got to do with Brexit?
And why is it that when someone in the UK does something wrong you try to pull them to bits but when it is someone from the EU you just point out someone else from somewhere in the world that has done something similar so it is OK?
The first post by Dutchman was to show 'liberal' people in a bad light. Why post it otherwise? It has nothing to do with the EU or Brexit. My post has to do with someone who is mates with Farage, Banks and Wigmore...( all of whom were pictured with him in golden settings in Trump Tower ) who has openly praised Brexit and claims he could negotiate better with the EU than Theresa May. He is, like many Brexiters, dishonest scum and I posted it to show the hypocrisy of people jumping on someone who helps refugees whilst ignoring the far greater crimes of a known tax dodger.
What are you on about? I usually criticise the 'Brexit bad boys' and not the UK. In this case I critise a Brexit 'praiser' who knows so little about the UK, that he claimed "Scotland has taken their country back" when Scotland voted clearly for remain.
Astute
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Ah Farage. The person you love to bring up for no reason. The person you say we hear about all the time when we don't.
Tax dodgers Juncker do you mean?
Astute
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Brexit bad boys? Funny.
Not bad considering you always defend the EU bad boys and how they bend and break all the rules and regulations.
Your admission for leaving the EU is that freedom of movement is "just wrong" and that if we continue with free movement then leaving is "a waste of time". Totally against EU migrants. Then you come out with some crap about EU civil servants not being elected ... which is the same in the UK, and claim that the EU is corrupt... which is the same as the UK is ... and then pretend that these are your reasons for being a leaver, which is BS because your real treason is you don't like EU migration. So stop bullshitting and admit it. The Selmayr ( chosen the same way as UK civil servants, influence of friends ), Juncker ( who is gone 2019 ) and fish ( which is more complicated than you suggest )are just red herrings to cover your anti EU racism.
No I don't. And no they don't in every case.
No I don't. And no they don't in every case.
Farage was at the Conservative Conference and gave a speech. Don't you follow the politics you claim to know all about? Farage was also on German TV from the Conservative Conference, so he is difficult for me to avoid. He came out and told the Germans your crap, that Brexit will hurt them more than Britain. They smiled and moved on to other subjects.
Juncker is not in Trump's league. Juncker is gone 2019 and neither President of the most powerful country in the world nor a Brexit lover.
Astute
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Bollocks as usual.
You have lived in Germany most of your life. You don't have the reality of living in the UK. You say we don't have any unemployed. You say that record amounts of people coming to live here only brings good.
I say we need to catch up with housing.es for the homeless to live in. I say we need to catch up with the needed infrastructure. As usual you twist what I say.
Astute
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The worse thing you have ever said about anyone or anything to do with the EU is the Selmayr fiasco was unfortunate. WOW.
Annoying. A scam. A sham. Plus other descriptions.
Astute
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Why don't you ask your fellow 'EU is perfect whatever they do followers. They will tell you that we only ever hear about Farage these days when you bring him up.
Astute
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Annoying was your description. The other words were mine. And you told me I was wrong.
Not true as usual. I said full employment is not nil as there will always be e.g. people between jobs, waiting to start a job or cannot be arsed to work, amongst other reasons.
Record amounts of people coming here allows our economy to prosper and without 3 million EU citizens there would be a collapse. That is not saying that migration "only brings good". You made that bit up ... as usual.
Not true as usual. I never said you were wrong about it being a sham - apart from that there were 2 investigations, both strongly condemning the appointment, but neither saying that it was illegal and must be reversed. I have used the words, annoyed, scam and sham. The rules have to be changed to avoid this happening again ( both investigations said that and I agree with them ). Now back to the benefits of Brexit....
Switch the tele on and listen to debate on the internet.
SkyblueBazza
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SkyblueBazza
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Laughable - Mart himself could book a meeting room somewhere near the centre if Birmingham, invite a few people...including the media & say whatever he likes.
I doubt the tory party would invite Mart or Farage to present at any official gathering. But then in MartWorld as we know anything is possible!
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What reasons?