The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (106 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
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SkyblueBazza

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think everyone can agree it's proving hard to leave the EU.

For me this is part of the reason the whole institution made me feel so uncomfortable in the first place.

I get that many are sceptical of any benifits of leaving, but I hear in response mostly that we can't leave because we cannot survive without the EU.

It shouldnt be like that shoud it?
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It isn't like that.

Think of it more as being employed...or self employed. There are benefits both ways. Being self employed brings short term extreme hard work & stress...longer term major benefits if/when success is achieved, but you make & stand or fall by your own decisions & choices. Being employed is regular set income, longer term security of redundancy payments if needed, perhaps more comradery, being told what to do, stand or fall by the decisions of others who you may have (a vote of) confidence in or not (Selmayr)...so you either go with the flow or take your chances.

Baa-aaaaaaaaa!

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SkyblueBazza

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dutchman said:
‘Golden passports’ threaten European security, warns EU commissioner

Europe’s security is being put at risk by so-called “golden passport” schemes that have allowed states to sell citizenship or residency to potentially “dangerous” individuals, the EU justice commissioner has warned.

Věra Jourová described the programmes as “problematic” and “unfair” – echoing the private concerns of Europe’s intelligence agencies, who fear “golden passports” have been exploited by people with enough money to buy access to the UK and Europe.

She added: “We have legitimate concerns, because if in one country a dangerous person gets citizenship, he gets citizenship for the whole of Europe. Maybe we all have to renegotiate the whole system and the whole competence of Europe. Because there is a contradiction.

“Once we have some weak points in the EU, some weak points where it is easy to enter the space, the whole of Europe has a problem.”

British intelligence is also known to be deeply unhappy about the schemes. “It is not just a concern for us, it is a concern for everyone,” said a Whitehall source.
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Basically, I think it is saying what many are concerned about, but stay mostly quiet about, for fear of being branded racist or some other unpleasant labelling.

One bad apple CAN spoil the whole damn bunch! (e.g. Mart)

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martcov

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dutchman said:
‘Golden passports’ threaten European security, warns EU commissioner

Europe’s security is being put at risk by so-called “golden passport” schemes that have allowed states to sell citizenship or residency to potentially “dangerous” individuals, the EU justice commissioner has warned.

Věra Jourová described the programmes as “problematic” and “unfair” – echoing the private concerns of Europe’s intelligence agencies, who fear “golden passports” have been exploited by people with enough money to buy access to the UK and Europe.

She added: “We have legitimate concerns, because if in one country a dangerous person gets citizenship, he gets citizenship for the whole of Europe. Maybe we all have to renegotiate the whole system and the whole competence of Europe. Because there is a contradiction.

“Once we have some weak points in the EU, some weak points where it is easy to enter the space, the whole of Europe has a problem.”

British intelligence is also known to be deeply unhappy about the schemes. “It is not just a concern for us, it is a concern for everyone,” said a Whitehall source.
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Yes, it is a massive scandal, which countries like Malta are openly abusing. Lord Belize of Brexit was encouraging British firms who need a presence in the EU to get in through Malta. A journalist there just got executed by a car bomb for constantly reporting on these scams in Malta.

It is a weak spot and must be sorted out.

Weren’t the Trumps on a similar scheme in the USA by getting Chinese and Russians to invest in Trump’s properties over so much money which gave them the right to live on America?

Similar to dodgy oligarchs living in London. Malta‘s deal being the best deal though. ( For dodgy people).
 
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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
Basically, I think it is saying what many are concerned about, but stay mostly quiet about, for fear of being branded racist or some other unpleasant labelling.

One bad apple CAN spoil the whole damn bunch! (e.g. Mart)

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The people racists don’t like don’t have enough money to use these schemes. That is why they are called golden. You have to „invest“ in Malta and bung a politician. British firms were tipped off by our billionaire Tory Lord Brexit living in Belize to use scams in Malta.
 
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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
Basically, I think it is saying what many are concerned about, but stay mostly quiet about, for fear of being branded racist or some other unpleasant labelling.

One bad apple CAN spoil the whole damn bunch! (e.g. Mart)

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Officially you „invest“ 650000 €. Unofficially, you need another 200000,00 € to bung a Maltese politician. According to a now murdered Maltese journalist. Rich Arabs, Russians and Chinese buy these passports. Not people who are going to clog up British roads and hospitals and take people like Bazza‘s jobs. Bazza need not get excited. The EU objects as much as most people. It must be stopped. But how? The Maltese government was recently re elected despite massive corruption. Democracy doesn’t always bring the right result... as shown by Brexit

Maltese passport - Wikipedia
 
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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
Basically, I think it is saying what many are concerned about, but stay mostly quiet about, for fear of being branded racist or some other unpleasant labelling.

One bad apple CAN spoil the whole damn bunch! (e.g. Mart)

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It isn’t saying anything of the sort as I explained. You are just thick and don’t know what you are talking about. The EU parliament is against the practice. Are you saying people are calling the Parliament racist for objecting to the sale of EU citizenship?
 
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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
It isn't like that.

Think of it more as being employed...or self employed. There are benefits both ways. Being self employed brings short term extreme hard work & stress...longer term major benefits if/when success is achieved, but you make & stand or fall by your own decisions & choices. Being employed is regular set income, longer term security of redundancy payments if needed, perhaps more comradery, being told what to do, stand or fall by the decisions of others who you may have (a vote of) confidence in or not (Selmayr)...so you either go with the flow or take your chances.

Baa-aaaaaaaaa!

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The difference being that you cannot lead 65 million into a risky business situation when at least half don’t want it and the others haven’t been informed of all the risks of what they are doing. Or rather you should‘nt be able to do that. Being self employed is a personal choice. If it goes wrong you are responsible. If it goes wrong for a country of 65 million, that is some responsibility for the politicians and leave voters..
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think everyone can agree it's proving hard to leave the EU.

For me this is part of the reason the whole institution made me feel so uncomfortable in the first place.

I get that many are sceptical of any benifits of leaving, but I hear in response mostly that we can't leave because we cannot survive without the EU.

It shouldnt be like that shoud it?
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which is why we should have put much more preparation into leaving than we have.

I don't think many people realised how entwined we were in the EU.

Stuff like Euratom and the EU wide pharmaceutical standards I know I'd never heard of. The snap GE May called which wiped out her majority just compounded matters.
 
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martcov

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think everyone can agree it's proving hard to leave the EU.

For me this is part of the reason the whole institution made me feel so uncomfortable in the first place.

I get that many are sceptical of any benifits of leaving, but I hear in response mostly that we can't leave because we cannot survive without the EU.

It shouldnt be like that shoud it?
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It was always going to be difficult for the UK to leave an organisation after 45 years of evolving with it. It is at best a pointless and economically harmful decision to leave.

The EU has nothing to do with that. They don’t want us to leave, but have given us a simple process through article 50 to leave in an orderly fashion.

We can leave in March.

If leaving is so great, we don’t even need a „deal“. We just have to settle the 3 points of paying our commitments, looking after EU citizens‘, and therefore British citizens in the EU‘s rights, and guarantee that there is no hard border in Ireland as implied in the GFA which we are obliged to honour. Those are necessary for both parties.

It really is a simple procedure.

What is the stumbling block and who is refusing to negotiate on it? I‘ll help. The EU has offered special status for Northern Ireland in order to solve the border issue and allow the UK to ask for and negotiate a trade deal with the EU. The EU wants a trade deal and a close relationship.

On paper there is no problem. What has the EU done wrong?
 
Sky Blue Harry H

Sky Blue Harry H

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Joined this thread very late in the day (although if it drags on, maybe only in the middle!). I have to say, I feel sorry for Teresa May, as she is tasked with managing the damned near impossible, in terms of keeping everyone/anyone happy. The EU don't need to make things easy for us (sends the wrong signals to potential other exiteers (is their such a word?!) so to get any potential deal which is acceptable to the British public will be hard enough. Couple with that, the opposition will want to be as uncooperative as possible, just to try and force an election, whilst a number in her own party are gathering like Brutus and his friends. I don't dispute that we had a leave vote, but I can't believe many knew what that actually might look like, and what lay ahead. Could do with a tardis to leap forward 5 or 10 years to see what awaits us.
 
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martcov

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Grappa said:
oooh, look at that, the French controlling their borders. Frictionless trade ahoy!

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I see the next problems .. if I want to come home for a CCFC game and a visit to my mother I won't be driving if there is no deal. There will be chaos. The flights will be full... I just see this whole thing going haywire.
 
Sky Blue Harry H

Sky Blue Harry H

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Sick Boy said:
  • Chlorine-washed chicken, hormone-injected beef and food containing maggots, rat-hair and mould are just some of the imports post-Brexit Britain could receive from the US.
Nice!
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Does that come with fries? If not, I'm out.
 
Astute

Astute

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Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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Astute said:
You are so cool being able to find twats on Twatter that only do pro EU Twits.

How about pro Brexit comments? Neither should be allowed as they distort the truth. But here you go.

Click on comments then best comments.

Brexit news: Britons could need visas to visit France after 'no deal' | Daily Mail Online
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This is my favourite

We don't need a deal on the Irish border. We can do what we want with OUR border, and the good Friday agreement is more important than any EU policy. A hard border is out of the question, remaining in the single market is out of the question, and so is separating NI from the UK. Those three things that the EU want are impossible, so give up
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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Another one:

Whíte English people are now the mínority in their own capital cities thanks to the deceit and lies from successive governments.
 
Astute

Astute

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Sick Boy said:
This is my favourite

We don't need a deal on the Irish border. We can do what we want with OUR border, and the good Friday agreement is more important than any EU policy. A hard border is out of the question, remaining in the single market is out of the question, and so is separating NI from the UK. Those three things that the EU want are impossible, so give up
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Yes. Some people just don't have a clue. That is the problem that you have with pro remain whatever and pro leave whatever.

But we do need to either stay in or get out. No half measures. That would cause more harm than anything.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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Astute said:
Yes. Some people just don't have a clue. That is the problem that you have with pro remain whatever and pro leave whatever.

But we do need to either stay in or get out. No half measures. That would cause more harm than anything.
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Personally I think the EEA option would be a fair compromise between the 2 sides. If you're bothered about keeping the UK together in the long-run, it'd be the sensible option too.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Sick Boy said:
Personally I think the EEA option would be a fair compromise between the 2 sides. If you're bothered about keeping the UK together in the long-run, it'd be the sensible option too.
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It would also be the most accurate representation of the referendum. Unless you want to discount those who voted remain. It was pretty much half and half. The referendum has been hi jacked.
 
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martcov

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Sick Boy said:
This is my favourite

We don't need a deal on the Irish border. We can do what we want with OUR border, and the good Friday agreement is more important than any EU policy. A hard border is out of the question, remaining in the single market is out of the question, and so is separating NI from the UK. Those three things that the EU want are impossible, so give up
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Hilarious... but shows how ignorant some people are.
 
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