The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (255 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Would you like to explain how the UK has a better rate.of keeping to standards and being better than EU standards. Countries throughout the EU fail.to keep up with EU targets.and rules yet nothing ever happens. But once we leave the EU we are suddenly going to be worse than those in the EU that we are better than now.

Do you not understand that for the UK to get a free trade deal with the USA, it's going to be inevitable that standards are lowered?

 

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[Grappa]

Would you like to explain how the UK has a better rate.of keeping to standards and being better than EU standards. Countries throughout the EU fail.to keep up with EU targets.and rules yet nothing ever happens. But once we leave the EU we are suddenly going to be worse than those in the EU that we are better than now.

Please block me, you are really stupid and I can't be bothered with you.

 

[Astute]

Are you suggesting that the EU is fascist? Christ almighty you are beyond help. Fuck off.

Did you learn that on Twatter?

 

[Sick Boy]

So why was you so happy when you was celebrating an EU/USA trade deal when the UK wasn't getting one?

What are you on about? I have never 'celebrated' a USA/EU trade deal.

 

[Astute]

Please block me, you are really stupid and I can't be bothered with you.

I'm happy to continue to show you to be wrong when you go past Twatter.

 

[skybluetony176]

You try being truthful.

Truthfully, you knock yourself out. I know what I’ve said. The only thing you’ll prove is how you’ve failed to understand what several posters have been telling you and how you twist what you yourself are saying. So be my guest. Knock yourself out.

 

[Astute]

What are you on about? I have never 'celebrated' a USA/EU trade deal.

Oh yes you did. Just like you are jumping on a UK/USA trade deal when there is nothing on the table.

 

[Astute]

Truthfully, you knock yourself out. I know what I’ve said. The only thing you’ll prove is how you’ve failed to understand what several posters have been telling you and how you twist what you yourself are saying. So be my guest. Knock yourself out.

I just quoted your 11am post where you said you had said certain things. But your 11am post said nothing like it. Everything you have said is in black and white. Everyone can read it.

 

[Ashdown]

That march today..... Pathetic , exaggerated and publicised as much as possible by the liberal press. Sickening politics going on again.......those seeking power would back anything and promise everything that might have short term voting popularity. Brexit doesn't mean leaving Europe, it doesn't mean not embracing the fabulous diverse culture and not appreciating the exquisite architecture and infrastructure across Europe and its natural wonders and it doesn't mean alienating people across that zone. It means retreating from a bunch of middle men, a bunch of needless bureaucrats, who create wealth for themselves with intricate laws and mandates. These people take a great chunk of UK cash for their own ends and then spread the rest around the EU according to where they think they might get the best return for French and German industrialists.

 

[Sick Boy]

Oh yes you did. Just like you are jumping on a UK/USA trade deal when there is nothing on the table.

No I didn't.

You appear to be unable to keep up with current affairs, so there's little point even discussing this with you.

 

[skybluetony176]

I just quoted your 11am post where you said you had said certain things. But your 11am post said nothing like it. Everything you have said is in black and white. Everyone can read it.

You truly are mental. I’ve only said the one thing. Like you say everyone can read it. Everyone except you that is.

 

[Sick Boy]

That march today..... Pathetic , exaggerated and publicised as much as possible by the liberal press. Sickening politics going on again.......those seeking power would back anything and promise everything that might have short term voting popularity. Brexit doesn't mean leaving Europe, it doesn't mean not embracing the fabulous diverse culture and not appreciating the exquisite architecture and infrastructure across Europe and its natural wonders and it doesn't mean alienating people across that zone. It means retreating from a bunch of middle men, a bunch of needless bureaucrats, who create wealth for themselves with intricate laws and mandates. These people take a great chunk of UK cash for their own ends and then spread the rest around the EU according to where they think they might get the best return for France and German industrialists.

How's ordinary people marching sickening politics? They're entitled to do so, if they wish.

 

[Grappa]

That march today..... Pathetic , exaggerated and publicised as much as possible by the liberal press. Sickening politics going on again.......those seeking power would back anything and promise everything that might have short term voting popularity. Brexit doesn't mean leaving Europe, it doesn't mean not embracing the fabulous diverse culture and not appreciating the exquisite architecture and infrastructure across Europe and its natural wonders and it doesn't mean alienating people across that zone. It means retreating from a bunch of middle men, a bunch of needless bureaucrats, who create wealth for themselves with intricate laws and mandates. These people take a great chunk of UK cash for their own ends and then spread the rest around the EU according to where they think they might get the best return for French and German industrialists.

You on about the EDL 'national' march? Agreed if so.

 

[Grendel]

How's ordinary people marching sickening politics? They're entitled to do so, if they wish.

Yes ordinary people like Alistair Campbell

 

[martcov]

I think that reply is a tad reactionary, are you assuming I'm a Farage lover based on proof or hyperbole?

So why was you so happy when you was celebrating an EU/USA trade deal when the UK wasn't getting one?

More lies.

 

[martcov]

So who has been forced to take it?

If

 

[martcov]

Yes ordinary people like Alistair Campbell

More ordinary than BoJo, RM, Farage and co.

 

[martcov]

Yeah, good one.

You said 'Furthermore EFSA stakeholders have requested the UK remain a member as a 3rd country after leaving the EU in order to be able to influence its decisions. '
House of Lords library briefing : Leaving the EU: Food Safety says:
"After the UK leaves the EU, it will cease to automatically be a part of ESFA and other EU food safety bodies. In a recent statement, the Government said that “options for the future of risk assessment and scientific advice in the UK are currently being developed by the Government […] Requirements will depend on the nature of the relationship the UK has with the European Food Safety Authority once the UK leaves the EU”. The European Union (Withdrawal) Bill would give ministers the power to transfer the functions of EU authorities to UK public authorities."
Not quite the same thing.

You also said 'we have always had higher food hygiene standards and will continue to do so'
House of Lords library briefing : Leaving the EU: Food Safety says:
"Concerns have been expressed that the UK’s animal welfare standards in food production could be compromised in order to achieve free trade agreements; for example, witnesses to the House of Commons Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee highlighted areas in which US standards diverge from EU standards. However, in evidence to the same Committee, the Secretary of State for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, Michael Gove, stated that there were certain food standards on which the UK would not compromise."
Well if Gove has stated that there were certain food standards on which the UK would not compromise, then that's again not quite the same thing that you stated.

So basically, my post was not 'yet another straw man' you complete and utter fucking bellend. And that's not a fucking ad-hom. Retard.

They are out in force today. Rattled by the huge march and flops on the fascist and far right side. Snowflake losers.

 

[martcov]

I think that reply is a tad reactionary, are you assuming I'm a Farage lover based on proof or hyperbole?

Your suggestion that undeclared horse meat is allowed in the EU was deliberately misleading. A similar tactic to that employed by Farage and co..

 

[martcov]

You are nuts.

 

[martcov]

Did you learn that on Twatter?

What are you on about. Sore loser.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

In the US there are 1.2 million salmonella cases every year, 23,000 hospitalisations and 450 deaths. In the EU in 2016 there were 1,766 hospitalizations and 10 deaths. The EU has a larger population than the US. See here.

You can chuck as many numbers about as you like. It isn't that long ago we were all potentially eating illegal horsemeat!!!
Plus people hear about other people getting hooked on drugs & dying from ODs. Doesn't stop others tak8ng them. People get killed in car crashes daily, doesn't stop others driving them...some cou tries have relatively far higher death rates on their roads...doesn't stop people from the UK going there & hiring cars.

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[Grappa]

You can chuck as many numbers about as you like. It isn't that long ago we were all potentially eating illegal horsemeat!!!
Plus people hear about other people getting hooked on drugs & dying from ODs. Doesn't stop others tak8ng them. People get killed in car crashes daily, doesn't stop others driving them...some cou tries have relatively far higher death rates on their roads...doesn't stop people from the UK going there & hiring cars.

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Mate, read that back to yourself. Absolute madness.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

If other countries were forcing their inferior quality of produce that was banned in the UK, there would be outrage. Just another example of massive hypocrisy

Nobody has forced any inferior quality of food produce on us expcept illegal & unethical businesses. If we as a nation decide via our government that the quality is inferior - labelling will probably highlight it's source. People can then choose to read the labelling & buy it or not

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[Grendel]

Oh god it’s not chlorinated chicken again surely. Again the European Food Agency do not consider the product unsafe to eat.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Oh yes you did. Just like you are jumping on a UK/USA trade deal when there is nothing on the table.

Mart has maybe convinced him that he too can see into the future & when he does it becomes fact

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[martcov]

Oh god it’s not chlorinated chicken again surely. Again the European Food Agency do not consider the product unsafe to eat.

It was actually about regulatory areas and borders. Chlorinated chicken was given as an example of a product which could be allowed in the UK, but not in the EU. Bazza got confused and is now confusing others.

 

[Grendel]

It was actually about regulatory areas and borders. Chlorinated chicken was given as an example of a product which could be allowed in the UK, but not in the EU. Bazza got confused and is now confusing others.

But the quotes keep referring to better standards when actually it’s ban is because of protectionism

 

[SkyblueBazza]

That march today..... Pathetic , exaggerated and publicised as much as possible by the liberal press. Sickening politics going on again.......those seeking power would back anything and promise everything that might have short term voting popularity. Brexit doesn't mean leaving Europe, it doesn't mean not embracing the fabulous diverse culture and not appreciating the exquisite architecture and infrastructure across Europe and its natural wonders and it doesn't mean alienating people across that zone. It means retreating from a bunch of middle men, a bunch of needless bureaucrats, who create wealth for themselves with intricate laws and mandates. These people take a great chunk of UK cash for their own ends and then spread the rest around the EU according to where they think they might get the best return for French and German industrialists.

Yes - it was a march & what 700k took part. Some of them were children kinda press-ganged into going with parents. Even if they had all been adults - the electorate is 46.5m strong. So about 98.5% of the electorate didn"t march for the cause!

1.5% marching is insignificant.

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[SkyblueBazza]

Yes ordinary people like Alistair Campbell

I doubt if many ordinary people do like Alistair Campbell lol

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[Captain Dart]

Are you suggesting that the EU is fascist? Christ almighty you are beyond help. Fuck off.

You seem to be swearing a lot tonight. The thing is a European superstate is not necessarily a good thing depending on how it is run.
Do you think the EU is democratic? If you do please explain how the people can influence the course of policy like they will be able to do in the UK after we leave at a General Election.

 

[skybluetony176]

Oh god it’s not chlorinated chicken again surely. Again the European Food Agency do not consider the product unsafe to eat.

Do you know why the US wash’s chicken carcasses in chlorine? As a self proclaimed animal lover I should think you do. I would have thought that the reason they use this process would be the overriding factor for an animal lover to not want it importing into the country as part of any trade deal and support the EU ban on their own basic principles regardless of what you may think the EU’s motivation is.

 

[Captain Dart]

Yes - it was a march & what 700k took part. Some of them were children kinda press-ganged into going with parents. Even if they had all been adults - the electorate is 46.5m strong. So about 98.5% of the electorate didn"t march for the cause!

1.5% marching is insignificant.

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The police estimate was 130,000. The 700,000 figure is a lie.

That many people at 3 people per sq m (as depicted) would occupy 23km of road which is 10m wide.
I don't think a moving crowd can squish up that much safely.

 

[skybluetony176]

You seem to be swearing a lot tonight. The thing is a European superstate is not necessarily a good thing depending on how it is run.
Do you think the EU is democratic? If you do please explain how the people can influence the course of policy like they will be able to do in the UK after we leave at a General Election.

That’s about the most naive statement I’ve ever heard.

 

[martcov]

But the quotes keep referring to better standards when actually it’s ban is because of protectionism

Protecting the members of the EU?