Grendel
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It’s a lot of Euro drivel but based on a premise we’d change the arrangement - if not we’d remain in it
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It’s a lot of Euro drivel but based on a premise we’d change the arrangement - if not we’d remain in it
skybluetony176
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We can. But we’ll have to remain in the single market and the customs union. Which apparently we aren’t doing either because apparently that’s not what the people voted for. So that eliminates EEA membership by default.
The premise is that all our contracts through the EU will end with Brexit. Then we are not in EFTA and have to apply to rejoin EFTA. If we are only using EFTA as a stepping stone to third party status, they will not want us trying to renegotiate EFTA‘s agreements with the EU. Which means we must keep freedom of movement and accept EU SM regulations. Which we didn’t vote for apparently. Although no one can claim to know that as leaving the SM was not on the ballot slip. We will have to keep paying to the EU. Which we didn’t vote for apparently. EFTA members don’t have to accept us.
Astute
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Is that right? Try looking at yourself.
You go on about how our food standards will fall when we leave the EU. But they are already better than most of the EU. You talk about the crap we will be eating when we leave. No evidence comes with it. You talk about how animals will suffer but they suffer because of EU rules and regulations. Just like the bird population has been decimated because of farming rules and regulations. Africa even suffers because we keep food prices artificially high then dump cheap food around the world.
But yes you are right and I am wrong.
Astute
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Yeah nobody will want to trade with us once we leave the EU. And it isn't scaremongering. We hear you Tony. We always do.
Try looking up something that isn't pro EU and anti Brexit. Try reading something that isn't scaremongering. You might find out something truthful for once.
dutchman
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Strange, I can't recall horsemeat ever being passed off as beef here before the UK joined the Common Market? Perhaps that was because the price of meat had not yet been hugely inflated in order to subsidise French and German farmers?
dutchman
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That's actually a good point and rules out any prospect of so-called 'reform' of the EU from its present form.
And by the way there were only SIX other members when Britain applied to join.
Astute
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Horse meat scams still happen in the EU. But our standards will drop when we leave?
Europol says 66 people have been arrested over the horsemeat scandal
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/02...-the-true-extent-of-europes-power-in-britain/
Bad Romanian horse meat stampedes across Europe - IRPI
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Sick Boy
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It's already been said that to secure a trade deal with the USA that standards will have to be dropped.
skybluetony176
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WTF are you waffling on about. I answered a question that Grendull asked. You’re twisting again. If you don’t understand the question stay out of it.
Astute
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But do we have one with them now?
It is used against us leaving the EU. But there are problems within the EU food chain presently. This gets ignored.
So why does the EU want a trade deal with the USA?
Astute
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What is wrong Tony? Can't you defend the EU here?
Sick Boy
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In that case there's likely problems with all food supply chains. It was illegal activity that was discovered by Europol.
Crime is committed everywhere, even in the UK.
The EU is going to have way more clout that the UK when negotiating with the USA, which is why the USA has said that the UK will need to align itself with the USA.
skybluetony176
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Defend them from what? The question was about the brexit process, there’s nothing to defend anyone from. It was about the technicalities of article 50. You’re twisting again.
Astute
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I am not going to have a go at anyone that doesn't have a deal that means a lowering of standards. Just like I didn't have a go at the EU when it was after a trade deal with the USA.
And yes I would be extremely vocal against any deal that would lower our food standards.
Astute
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So you are allowed to mention chlorinated chicken for what reason?
skybluetony176
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Twisting again. Where have I mentioned chlorinated chicken in reply to Grendulls question?
Astute
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So you can mention the food chain when you want but I can't?
skybluetony176
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Oh, by the way. If I had mentioned chlorinated chicken I’m allowed to because its a free country. Moron.
skybluetony176
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You can do what you like. You’re twisting again. I haven’t said you can’t talk about a particular subject. It’s a bit early to be on the pop isn’t it?
Astute
Well-Known Member
So it is a free country for you but not for me?
Then you have the nerve to call me a moron
Astute
Well-Known Member
So you never said why I brought up links on the EU food chain?
Especially as I replied to Dutchman......
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
So it is a free country for you but not for me?
Then you have the nerve to call me a moron
I’m going to ignore you now because you’re clearly trolling.
No, it doesn’t rule out reform. It maybe makes it hard to reform the SM and CU, but no one wants to do that. There are plenty of other things to reform.
SIR ERNIE
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Organisers of recent rallies have exaggerated attendance figures by a factor anywhere between x2 and x5 so 130k is probably closest to the truth.
The official line is that the campaign is neither for nor against Brexit :smuggrin: they merely want the electorate to have a say on the final deal.
Believe that, you’ll believe anything.
Just another day of Remain lies.
The truth is that all trade deals via the EU cease when we leave.
The truth is that we will be a distressed trading partner.
Now twist that.
Grendel
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The truth is we have no idea what arrangement has been made - and one clearly is on the verge of being an announced - and whatever is a transition period will mean the deals won’t cease in March
Haha. Now take a look at Farage‘s statement about millions.
Take a look at the people in the hall at his leave means leave rally. Virtually all of them ageing. The men had greying, grey or receeding hair. No, or very few, young people ( or youngsters as Farage likes to say ). These people want us to leave at all costs, thus damaging the future of younger people.
I know whose side I am on. Not the older generation of pensioners , but the future of Britain.
It looked like an OAP outing.
Never said they would end in March. I think it is more likely to be a fudge to enable the transition period to be extended. This kicking the disaster down the road.
It gives time to get facts on the table before the inevitable people’s vote, or election on the subject. I hope we have an opposition party prepared to oppose Brexit by that time. Corbyn is not the opposition in this case. He is what was called a „Mitläufer“ because he won’t stop Brexit.
Grendel
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There is no chance of a people’s referendum - why is it called that? Didn’t people vote last time. Once the treaty period ends in March there’s no chance of a return,.
There is an opposition party - they were massacred at the last election
Crime happens everywhere. There are horsemeat and dog meat scandals in the UK. Dog meat turns up every few years in Chinese restaurants ( I recall it years ago in Coventry ).
It took me a few seconds to find a case in the UK: Horsemeat scandal: businessman found guilty of fraud
But you only select crimes that occur in other parts of the EU. The biggest food chain scandal in an EU country that I recall, Dutchman won’t recall it because he suffers from selective amnesia, is BSE. A purely British fxxk up that destroyed the UK beef industry and cattle sperm industry for a period of years. It also reduced Irish meat exports because consumers assumed beef would be smuggled from NI to Southern Ireland.
Whatever, either way it has nothing whatsoever to do with leaving the EU or Brexit.
We can swap crimes and scandals all day, but why? What is your point?
Grendel
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It reminded me of a Hitler youth rally. Deluded fools being led to the Fourth Reich with the ghastly Alistair Campbell as the Pied Piper
People are seeing through the Brexit lies and Brexit won’t happen for another couple of years yet. No way will we go over the cliff in March.
We have an official opposition who are as divided as the government and the country.
The game is far from over and you will never get a pro Brexit March as big as Saturday‘s. The euphoria is gone. Now it is bitterness because everyone can see what a fxxk up Brexit is. Instead of admitting it they go on about crimes in the EU, George Soros paying 600000 people 20£ each or trying to down play down crowd size.
Truth is that the writing is on the wall.
Were you at one in your youth? You are obviously one of the old codgers moaning about the youth of today and trying to control the uncontrollable. Make your insults and go down the pub and complain about the teachers and social workers misleading the youth of today. Grumpy old man.