The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (283 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Explain yourself.

So what part is wrong?

Why is it that I point out the bad with Brexit and other things in the EU but the Brexit part is ignored by certain people and the bad parts of the EU are ignored or argued against even though they are so obviously right?

The article you linked wasn’t even about brexit. I doubt you were even aware of the author or his opinion on brexit until you found a headline that suited your argument and I pointed out what the authors opinions was on brexit today.

 

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[Astute]

The article you linked wasn’t even about brexit. I doubt you were even aware of the author or his opinion on brexit until you found a headline that suited your argument and I pointed out what the authors opinions was on brexit today.

So I quote things without reading them?

Take a day off. Of course I read what I link.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes they need to start at the bottom. But they have been trying for years to get rid of the mafia problem.

But short term how does the problem get resolved?

No they haven’t. Successive governments have been complicit with the mafia for decades and have tread the same path. Any arrests and investigations have been for show not effect and on the whole the ringleaders are left unscathed.

The current government is about blaming the EU when it should be looking within first and then demanding EU assistance to deal with it.

 

[skybluetony176]

So I quote things without reading them?

Take a day off. Of course I read what I link.

Always. That’s been long established. You’re someone with a long history of disagreeing with posters by agreeing with them while not realising that you were. I’ve lost count of the amount of times that you’ve posted a link based on a headline that you’ve presumed backs you but when you actually read the article it either dismisses you or confirms what the other poster has told you in the first place. We’ll call it doing an astute if you like.

 

[skybluetony176]

Have I?

I didn't vote leave. I have never voted UKIP like someone on here hey Tony.

You are only happy with someone who says EU good UK bad.

Ha ha ha, yeah good one. Confirmation again that you’ve lost the argument.

 

[martcov]

So are you disagreeing with SB or myself?

Was it you that agreed with me that Italy is too big to fail but too big to save?

And for putting things in your mouth? That is where I call you out when contradicting yourself. Or saying the opposite of someone that you always normally agree with no matter how wrong they are.

Yes of course you do..how could I have ever doubted that...

And, yes, the Italy dilemma is that it is too big to fail, but too big to save. It won’t be another Greece.

The uncertainty caused by Brexit and Trump’s tariff war is already making the situation worse as Eurozone growth starts to slow, along with the world economy led by China.

 

[Ashdown]

Some economists and scientists alike have been predicting doom and gloom for a while now. National and personal debt in many countries spiralling, trade wars between major nations, slowdown and uncertainty in some manufacturing industries, Nuclear arms agreements being revoked etc, fresh water shortages, famine, civil wars, environmental and ecological destruction.........At the end of the day if there is a sensible Bexit deal for both sides then it really isn't going to have the impact other world crises are having on everyday life for many people.

 

[Grappa]

lol

 

[skybluetony176]

lol

Just watching it on the lunchtime news. A serious and worrying turn of events.

 

[martcov]

Some economists and scientists alike have been predicting doom and gloom for a while now. National and personal debt in many countries spiralling, trade wars between major nations, slowdown and uncertainty in some manufacturing industries, Nuclear arms agreements being revoked etc, fresh water shortages, famine, civil wars, environmental and ecological destruction.........At the end of the day if there is a sensible Bexit deal for both sides then it really isn't going to have the impact other world crises are having on everyday life for many people.

Well no. In the circumstances it is like General Custer seeing more Indians coming.. with no cavalry on the horizon

 

[martcov]

So I quote things without reading them?

Take a day off. Of course I read what I link.

I have always thought, by you posts, that you don’t read the last paragraph. You read the headline. Maybe the first paragraph and then post. The truth is often in the last paragraph, or at least a bit of relativity. The headline and the first paragraph, especially in the Daily Farage, are there to ‚push your button‘.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Yes of course you do..how could I have ever doubted that...

And, yes, the Italy dilemma is that it is too big to fail, but too big to save. It won’t be another Greece.

The uncertainty caused by Brexit and Trump’s tariff war is already making the situation worse as Eurozone growth starts to slow, along with the world economy led by China.

So you would've thought a sensible deal would be a top priority for all. I note that those who appear to want to see the UK fail post Brexit were quoting Eurozone growth figures last year and earlier this, and some would say gloating when the economy slowed down in the UK. Well as everyone knows economies/growth will vary from month to month, quarter to quarter, year to year for a variety of reasons. Eurozone last quarter was 0.2 (0.4 previous quarter), UK was 0.6 for third quarter (0.4 for previous quarter). It is also to be seen how the ceasing of quantative easing (which many say has supported its consistent growth) will impact the Eurozone in the coming months.

The Eurozone slow down is not good for the UK and nor are some of the wider world issues which is why it is important for a sensible deal so as to not accentuate economic issues. Its also just as important for the EU/remainers to recognise this though.

 

[Sick Boy]

No they haven’t. Successive governments have been complicit with the mafia for decades and have tread the same path. Any arrests and investigations have been for show not effect and on the whole the ringleaders are left unscathed.

The current government is about blaming the EU when it should be looking within first and then demanding EU assistance to deal with it.

Correct, the mafia is so embedded within the government it's more less impossible to put it to an end. It's funny how after the bombings in Sicily and mass outrage amongst civilians, that the leader of the Sicilian mafia was suddenly found in Palermo after being on the run for years.

 

[Astute]

Always. That’s been long established. You’re someone with a long history of disagreeing with posters by agreeing with them while not realising that you were. I’ve lost count of the amount of times that you’ve posted a link based on a headline that you’ve presumed backs you but when you actually read the article it either dismisses you or confirms what the other poster has told you in the first place. We’ll call it doing an astute if you like.

What a load of shite. Don't expect anything else from you these days though.

 

[Astute]

So you would've thought a sensible deal would be a top priority for all. I note that those who appear to want to see the UK fail post Brexit were quoting Eurozone growth figures last year and earlier this, and some would say gloating when the economy slowed down in the UK. Well as everyone knows economies/growth will vary from month to month, quarter to quarter, year to year for a variety of reasons. Eurozone last quarter was 0.2 (0.4 previous quarter), UK was 0.6 for third quarter (0.4 for previous quarter). It is also to be seen how the ceasing of quantative easing (which many say has supported its consistent growth) will impact the Eurozone in the coming months.

The Eurozone slow down is not good for the UK and nor are some of the wider world issues which is why it is important for a sensible deal so as to not accentuate economic issues. Its also just as important for the EU/remainers to recognise this though.

The problem is that some can't handle the truth.

Yes we need the EU. We all agree on this. But the EU needs us. And that is where the problem lies. They need our money. And they will do what they can to keep getting our money.

 

[Astute]

Ha ha ha, yeah good one. Confirmation again that you’ve lost the argument.

Lost what argument?

I try and have a debate. You always try and turn it into an argument because you don't like the truth.

 

[Astute]

Correct, the mafia is so embedded within the government it's more less impossible to put it to an end. It's funny how after the bombings in Sicily and mass outrage amongst civilians, that the leader of the Sicilian mafia was suddenly found in Palermo after being on the run for years.

Rita Borsellino, 73, Dies; a Murder Made Her an Anti-Mafia Crusader

 

[martcov]

So you would've thought a sensible deal would be a top priority for all. I note that those who appear to want to see the UK fail post Brexit were quoting Eurozone growth figures last year and earlier this, and some would say gloating when the economy slowed down in the UK. Well as everyone knows economies/growth will vary from month to month, quarter to quarter, year to year for a variety of reasons. Eurozone last quarter was 0.2 (0.4 previous quarter), UK was 0.6 for third quarter (0.4 for previous quarter). It is also to be seen how the ceasing of quantative easing (which many say has supported its consistent growth) will impact the Eurozone in the coming months.

The Eurozone slow down is not good for the UK and nor are some of the wider world issues which is why it is important for a sensible deal so as to not accentuate economic issues. Its also just as important for the EU/remainers to recognise this though.

I am well aware of the connectivity between many things happening together. Trump and Brexit are in some sense the same. They stem from the consequences of 2008. Even SISU has a relationship to 2008 in that they got involved with CCFC just before the crash as people were taking risks and winning. The collapse of the banking system and the end of a period of growth showed up flaws in society. This together with the growth of YouTube, FB and co, has allowed the spread of news and views and hate, which has created new problems by allowing, in effect, some bad people an uncontrolled platform. They can make up stories, alter photos and videos with little or no comeback. No right of reply. I check the links on here, and make a point of googling the author and media source. Often as not, there are dubious people or right wing extremists or just right wing think tanks behind the links. More right wing links from the leaver side. I wonder why? If Brexit were really the will of the people you would expect a mix of left and right and relatively neutral people supporting it.

 

[Sick Boy]

Rita Borsellino, 73, Dies; a Murder Made Her an Anti-Mafia Crusader

Very brave woman.

 

[martcov]

The problem is that some can't handle the truth.

Yes we need the EU. We all agree on this. But the EU needs us. And that is where the problem lies. They need our money. And they will do what they can to keep getting our money.

Missed the whole point of the EU. Our money is needed, but the EU was not formed and does not solely exist to get hold of 9 billion net contributions from the U.K.. If that were true the negotiations would have been finished long ago. Screw Ireland, place the money in this EU bank account. That hasn’t happened.

Why do think that is? Why do you think the EU is risking taking a knock? Your argument is a total contradiction as usual. They will not do anything they can for 9 billion pounds. That is a Faragism. What looks like happening, is the opposite. They will lose the 9 billion and a couple of percent GDP to hold the Union in tact as that is long term far more important than bending the rules for one ex memberstate.

 

[chiefdave]

In all seriousness at what point does the result come in to question? Is there any set criteria or is it based on what the government and / or public opinion dictates?

 

[Grendel]

In all seriousness at what point does the result come in to question? Is there any set criteria or is it based on what the government and / or public opinion dictates?

Well as the remain side had a £9 million soviet style propaganda leaflet - which has proven to be a pack of lies - I’d say the remain side was heavily weighted in terms of manipulation from the start.

There is no verdict on this either is there?

 

[Grappa]

Doing a pretty good job too.

 

[martcov]

Well as the remain side had a £9 million soviet style propaganda leaflet - which has proven to be a pack of lies - I’d say the remain side was heavily weighted in terms of manipulation from the start.

There is no verdict on this either is there?

Well you would. The leaflet had to be produced because of the HOL and was outside of the regulated campaign. The regulated campaign was seriously violated by leave. No amount of whataboutery will distract from that. I hope the culprits get well punished.

 

[dutchman]

Speaking of Italy...

 

[Astute]

Well you would. The leaflet had to be produced because of the HOL and was outside of the regulated campaign. The regulated campaign was seriously violated by leave. No amount of whataboutery will distract from that. I hope the culprits get well punished.

Yet it was full of lies and predictions that were miles away from what happened. It was all about the benefits of remaining.

And as you know there was an overspend on the remain side.

Remain, not Leave, had an unfair advantage in the EU referendum - CapX

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Official EU Remain campaign and Lib Dems fined thousands by election watchdogs

 

[SIR ERNIE]

In all seriousness at what point does the result come in to question?

For many it was 24.06.16.

 

[clint van damme]

In all seriousness at what point does the result come in to question? Is there any set criteria or is it based on what the government and / or public opinion dictates?

rumours about Farage all over social media. Gone from an FBI person of interest to actively being investigated apparently.

 

[Sick Boy]

Yet it was full of lies and predictions that were miles away from what happened. It was all about the benefits of remaining.

And as you know there was an overspend on the remain side.

Remain, not Leave, had an unfair advantage in the EU referendum - CapX

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Official EU Remain campaign and Lib Dems fined thousands by election watchdogs

If the likes of Banks were involved in anything pro-EU-related, you'd be all over it.

 

[clint van damme]

If the likes of Banks were involved in anything pro-EU-related, you'd be all over it.

foreign interference in British politics bad, (in the case of an election, it's illegal), - unless it fits your agenda it seems.

 

[martcov]

Yet it was full of lies and predictions that were miles away from what happened. It was all about the benefits of remaining.

And as you know there was an overspend on the remain side.

Remain, not Leave, had an unfair advantage in the EU referendum - CapX

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Official EU Remain campaign and Lib Dems fined thousands by election watchdogs

Not in regulated campaign.

No comparison.

Predictions part wrong, no Russian money involved or American think tanks.

Back to Selmayr II.

No outrage? May appointed loyal lieutenant as head of UK civil service. No discussion, no vote, no other candidates. Where were you? Not a whimper. Far worse than Selmayr appointment. No inquiry. No ombudsman. No college of 3.

Just a dictat from May.

 

[Grappa]

The fucking brass neck on Cameron wanting to get back into front-line politics because he's bored. Best keep your trotters up, mate.

 

[Grappa]

Regardless of your stance, this is a nice piece of data visualisation:

 

[Captain Dart]

Regardless of your stance, this is a nice piece of data visualisation:

Talk about over simplification of a complex issue.

 

[Grappa]

Talk about over simplification of a complex issue.

That's basically what data visualisation is, you tedious try-hard.