The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (100 Viewers)

[Captain Dart]

That is the problem with younger voters and politicians. They can't remember being lied to like the rest of us can. Corbyn offered them what they wanted. What could go wrong.......

It is not as if they haven't had recent lessons in the duplicity of our wonderful politicians.

 

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[Captain Dart]

It will take them another 4 hours to agree on the toppings

Maybe not!

 

[clint van damme]

It is not as if they haven't had recent lessons in the duplicity of our wonderful politicians.

can't recall anyone saying Brexit would lead to world war 3.
No deal probably will lead to recession, (remember we won't be leaving in 2018 it will be 2019).
Let's see how we get on with those trade deals, do you still believe Liam Foxs assertion that we will be signing dozens the day after we leave because even he has reneged on that.

The picture you've posted is a photo shop. The 350 million for the NHS bus wasn't.

 

[Sick Boy]

That is the problem with younger voters and politicians. They can't remember being lied to like the rest of us can. Corbyn offered them what they wanted. What could go wrong.......

Not quite true though, is it? Plenty were lied to my Clegg and the Lib Dems

 

[Grendel]

Some suggestion is she may be gone by tonight

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'd rather have the EU to keep a government like the Tories in check to a certain extent than letting them have free reign.

But they don't. Why are public services such as NHS open to competition and bidding from private companies? It isn't solely because of the Tories. The EU drives all this, it's a big part of the concept of a single market. I'm afraid some people naively think a single market is all nice stuff like being able to travel around Europe visa free, it isn't.

 

[Grendel]

Not quite true though, is it? Plenty were lied to my Clegg and the Lib Dems

Yes and the same reason they voted for him was why they voted for Corbyn - reduced student loans

What principals they have

 

[clint van damme]

Some suggestion is she may be gone by tonight

looking inevitable.
Let's face it, whichever leader of which ever party delivers brexit (or doesn't), they're going to have an all out civil war in their party on their hands.

 

[skybluetony176]

Maybe not!

Just watching channel four news and apparently the microphone has been put out and she’s expected to be out in the next few minutes.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just watching channel four news and apparently the microphone has been put out and she’s expected to be out in the next few minutes.

The Microphone is taking over as Prime Minister forthwith

 

[Grendel]

looking inevitable.
Let's face it, whichever leader of which ever party delivers brexit (or doesn't), they're going to have an all out civil war in their party on their hands.

Indeed - The gruesome heirs to Blair - Thornberry and Starmer are lining up to disobey Corbyn and shove a knife in his back

 

[Sick Boy]

Yes and the same reason they voted for him was why they voted for Corbyn - reduced student loans

What principals they have

I know plenty of young people who voted for both of them and didn't go to university.

Should older generations pay a lump sum to make up for their grants back in the day?

 

[SIR ERNIE]

This sounds like it’s a total sell-out of a deal to me. Can’t say I’m at all surprised because I lost any trust and confidence in this useless PM ages ago.

…so bad in fact that it makes remaining in the EU looks a better option.

She could easily be gone before the night's out.

 

[Astute]

I don't care if Blair implemented all of his manifesto, he went to war based on a lie and set the world alight, he should be in the Hague.
And just out of curiosity, you claim to be a Labour supporter but don't support Corbyn and by the tone of the post I've quoted didn't support Blair. So when was it you supported labour?

Is being a Labour voter meaning I must forget what the leaders have done?

You have said in the same post about Bliar. I have just posted about Corbyn and how he changes his mind to suit what he wants the voters to think. Should I pretend to like either of them because I am a Labour voter?

 

[Grendel]

This sounds like it’s a total sell-out of a deal to me. Can’t say I’m at all surprised because I lost any trust and confidence in this useless PM ages ago.

…so bad in fact that it makes remaining in the EU looks a better option.

She could easily be gone before the night's out.

No suprised is it? May is like Mad Mart a Brussels whore. She doesn’t want out.

 

[Astute]

Corbyn wants out, always had. If he's said different in an interview he's lying he's not the first politician is he?
And I said a long time ago in this thread, Europe will be the issue that finishes Corbyn, he won't be alone.

But his lies are so blatant. And on a subject many are scrutinizing so much.

 

[Grendel]

Oh well she’s not gone yet. It’s going to Parliament

 

[clint van damme]

But his lies are so blatant. And on a subject many are scrutinizing so much.

His lies are no more blatant than every other politician who's lied about their stance on the EU, and you'd find it easier to list the ones who haven't than those who have.

I reiterate, whatever he may have said, he wants us out.

 

[clint van damme]

which news channels/ websites/radio stations are people following this on?

 

[Astute]

His lies are no more blatant than every other politician who's lied about their stance on the EU, and you'd find it easier to list the ones who haven't than those who have.

I reiterate, whatever he may have said, he wants us out.

I have always said he wants us out. It is a few of those who are remain at any cost that say he is a remainer.

 

[Astute]

which news channels/ websites/radio stations are people following this on?

SBT news.

 

[skybluetony176]

which news channels/ websites/radio stations are people following this on?

Channel Four news

 

[martcov]

European Amy was never going to happen...

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Wait a minute!

It hasn’t happened and every country has a veto on this. So a complete EU army will not be appearing soon. Still it’s a good idea.

 

[Sick Boy]

This sounds like it’s a total sell-out of a deal to me. Can’t say I’m at all surprised because I lost any trust and confidence in this useless PM ages ago.

…so bad in fact that it makes remaining in the EU looks a better option.

She could easily be gone before the night's out.

Her record as Home Secretary should have been enough.

 

[skybluetony176]

In reality today was probably the easy part. Got to get it through Parliament now which looks impossible at this moment in time.

 

[Sick Boy]

I have always said he wants us out. It is a few of those who are remain at any cost that say he is a remainer.

On here? I only know two people in real life who actually think that.

 

[clint van damme]

In reality today was probably the easy part. Got to get it through Parliament now which looks impossible at this moment in time.

the DUP won't be having any of it for a start.

 

[Sick Boy]

But they don't. Why are public services such as NHS open to competition and bidding from private companies? It isn't solely because of the Tories. The EU drives all this, it's a big part of the concept of a single market. I'm afraid some people naively think a single market is all nice stuff like being able to travel around Europe visa free, it isn't.

Is that not down to domestic policy? What about the environment? I'd much rather trust the EU than looking to open up the country to the Trump administration.

It's hard to keep up whether it is a capitalist club for fat cats or the EUSSR at times

 

[martcov]

It is completely unsustainable for the UK to continue to take 250,000 people a year from wherever. Hopefully a control on EU migration will be followed by a stricter points based policy on all incomers apart from perhaps a quota of the most desperate genuine refugees.

I doubt whether EU migration would continue at that rate as average wages in former East Bloc countries are rising. More like non EU migrants will be caring for the baby boomers when they are older. Refugee quota is Merkel’s aim.

 

[Sick Boy]

Oh well she’s not gone yet. It’s going to Parliament

And it will fall flat on its face, what then?

 

[skybluetony176]

the DUP won't be having any of it for a start.

She’s meeting Arlene Foster tonight apparently.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

In reality today was probably the easy part. Got to get it through Parliament now which looks impossible at this moment in time.

cabinet were initially on board with chequers then resignations followed. I suspect cabinet view will change significantly over coming days.
Once the full details of the deal start to get scrutinised I reckon those MPs who support it will come under huge pressure to reject this halfway house cock up.

 

[Grendel]

The Blair creature is back - the interview he gave on C4 was a chilling reminder of what the EU is about.

It should be played over and over again

 

[Grendel]

And it will fall flat on its face, what then?

We leave with no deal

 

[Astute]

His lies are no more blatant than every other politician who's lied about their stance on the EU, and you'd find it easier to list the ones who haven't than those who have.

I reiterate, whatever he may have said, he wants us out.

Are you trying to get me to like him?