The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (300 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Which they can and will change when they are able

So a massive majority is allowed to change its mind but a small majority isn’t?

 

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[martcov]

Ah the 4th Reich speaks

No it’s called honouring commitments. Von Ribbentrop was hanged for breaking them amongst other things.

 

[Grendel]

I am sure that any constitution or parliament in the world does not operate the same as on the day it was grounded. Things evolve. Our sovereign Parliament has ratified every change . I voted in 1975 for the EEC and haven’t changed my mind. My life is easier ( Travel and residency ) and my business ( no more Carnets ). It’s all bollocks. If Farage and the likes of him weren’t spouting crap, you wouldn’t know whether we are in or out of the EU in normal life. Except for EU citizens as neighbours. These have now been blamed for all ills caused by austerity and government ideology. But normal life goes on and the UK has it’s own sovereign parliament. You would never have thought of the curvature of bananas without Johnson. Because it doesn’t matter a fxxk.

So sovereign parliament should act and deliver Brexit then?

 

[martcov]

Opinion polls will most probably include people that have come here to live. Of course they will be pro EU. But they are not allowed to vote.

I am also not allowed to vote although, I, like them lose my FOM rights.

 

[Grendel]

No it’s called honouring commitments. Von Ribbentrop was hanged for breaking them amongst other things.

Sounded very sinister the way you said it. What if they didn’t and delivered the budget what would the EU do to the people of Italy?

 

[martcov]

So sovereign parliament should act and deliver Brexit then?

No. They are all remoaners.... according to posters on here...

 

[Ashdown]

I can safely say your questions skew the results.

Although for what it's worth, this is why a referendum on a complex subject with many shades of grey was a stupid idea in the first place. Somewhere... somebody will always vote for something, and get something other than what they thought they were voting for. Politicians are elected to make these decisions, and this whole mess shows why they should be left to, whilst being held to account by their electorate.

I just don't have your confidence that many of them vote for anything based on the interest of the Nation anymore.........only mainly to serve their own parties and personal political/financial ambitions.

 

[martcov]

Sounded very sinister the way you said it. What if they didn’t and delivered the budget what would the EU do to the people of Italy?

Nothing. What do you expect? House to house searches?

 

[Grendel]

No. They are all remoaners.... according to posters on here...

That doesn’t make sense. You are opposed to yes no referendums aren’t you?

 

[Sick Boy]

I am also not allowed to vote although, I, like them lose my FOM rights.

One positive of this is that it seems that the 15 year rule will be scrapped.

 

[Sick Boy]

Opinion polls will most probably include people that have come here to live. Of course they will be pro EU. But they are not allowed to vote.

Is there any evidence for that?
Why would they conduct opinion polls of voters and ask people who are ineligible to vote?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I just don't have your confidence that many of them vote for anything based on the interest of the Nation anymore.........only mainly to serve their own parties and personal political/financial ambitions.

But that's where the opportunity to vote them out comes in.

Biggest problem is the percentage who vote blindly for a party, regardless of the individual's policies, and whether the party still stands for what it did when voted for previously.

That means half the MPs could kill children with tigers in schools, and still get re-elected!

 

[Ashdown]

One positive of this is that it seems that the 15 year rule will be scrapped.

Oh and I'm with you on the Londoncentric comments again............as through all the political chaos they slipped in yet another bailout to Crossrail of £1.4 billion.........Image what £15 billion could achieve somewhere North of Watford ?!

 

[Ashdown]

But that's where the opportunity to vote them out comes in.

Biggest problem is the percentage who vote blindly for a party, regardless of the individual's policies, and whether the party still stands for what it did when voted for previously.

That means half the MPs could kill children with tigers in schools, and still get re-elected!

A bit like Labour in Coventry you mean but they were helping kill football clubs with Wasps ?!

 

[martcov]

That doesn’t make sense. You are opposed to yes no referendums aren’t you?

I am just saying that parliament would have us remain without a referendum if they could ( according to some on here, and they are probably right ), but since we had a referendum to get us into this mess, only a referendum can take us out.

 

[martcov]

Sounded very sinister the way you said it. What if they didn’t and delivered the budget what would the EU do to the people of Italy?

The sinister bit was in response to your leaver answer of 4th Reich. I was pointing out 3rd Reich experience of Realpolitik ending in a disaster. The EU is not the 4th Reich as you well know. For all it’s faults, which there are some, it is benign and consensual.

 

[Ashdown]

I am just saying that parliament would have us remain without a referendum if they could ( according to some on here, and they are probably right ), but since we had a referendum to get us into this mess, only a referendum can take us out.

Fucking stuck record !

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I am sure that any constitution or parliament in the world does not operate the same as on the day it was grounded. Things evolve. Our sovereign Parliament has ratified every change . I voted in 1975 for the EEC and haven’t changed my mind. My life is easier ( Travel and residency ) and my business ( no more Carnets ). It’s all bollocks. If Farage and the likes of him weren’t spouting crap, you wouldn’t know whether we are in or out of the EU in normal life. Except for EU citizens as neighbours. These have now been blamed for all ills caused by austerity and government ideology. But normal life goes on and the UK has it’s own sovereign parliament. You would never have thought of the curvature of bananas without Johnson. Because it doesn’t matter a fxxk.

Do you get aroused when you write this waffling tosh ?

 

[Ashdown]

Do you get aroused when you write this waffling tosh ?

Keeps mentioning the shape of bananas at every opportunity.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

A bit like Labour in Coventry you mean but they were helping kill football clubs with Wasps ?!

It's fair to say Geoffrey Robinson hasn't merited his seat for a fair while.

But he's not alone... across both parties!

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I am just saying that parliament would have us remain without a referendum if they could ( according to some on here, and they are probably right ), but since we had a referendum to get us into this mess, only a referendum can take us out.

referendumreferendumreferendumreferendumreferendum………….

 

[Sick Boy]

referendumreferendumreferendumreferendumreferendum………….

Why do you bother posting this sort of nonsense? If you have zero interest in contributing anything meaningful, then what’s the point?

 

[martcov]

Do you get aroused when you write this waffling tosh ?

F off. Twat.

 

[martcov]

Keeps mentioning the shape of bananas at every opportunity.

No. You’re getting confused with BoJo.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Why do you bother posting this sort of nonsense? If you have zero interest in contributing anything meaningful, then what’s the point?

…..Haha. Just picked it up from your good self.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

F off. Twat.

Oh that's disappointing. I expected the usual 500 words essay.

 

[martcov]

referendumreferendumreferendumreferendumreferendum………….

You really are thick. Just a wum. Yet another embarrassment for leavers. Don’t ask me why remainers sneer at leavers. People like you really are a disgrace. I don’t begrudge people like Grendel a vote, but thick fxxkers like you are a waste of voting rights.

 

[martcov]

Oh that's disappointing. I expected the usual 500 words essay.

2 suffice for wankers like you.

 

[Sick Boy]

…..Haha. Just picked it up from your good self.

You’re a pretty shit WUM, to be honest.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You’re a pretty shit WUM, to be honest.

Honesty is the best policy.

 

[martcov]

Fucking stuck record !

Answering the same question as always.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

2 suffice for wankers like you.

You'd know all about those.

 

[martcov]

Honesty is the best policy.

Go down the pub and have an angry argument down there. Hopefully someone will smack you.

 

[martcov]

You'd know all about those.

Yes, as I say, I’ve met hundreds like you over the years.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You really are thick. Just a wum. Yet another embarrassment for leavers. Don’t ask me why remainers sneer at leavers. People like you really are a disgrace. I don’t begrudge people like Grendel a vote, but thick fxxkers like you are a waste of voting rights.

HAHAHA. I am a disgrace, but I go to work 5 days a week. To be mentioned in the same breath as the legendary Grendel is okay with me. He'll be mighty pleased that you respect him, I'm sure.