Westendlad
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I know...i'm off to bed in my swastika wall to wall poster bedroom...Night everyone x
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (309 Viewers)
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Grendel
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He wouldn’t he would agree to honour the referendum - did you see the interview with shouty shouty Peston yesterday
Did you read the Guardian report on Tommy‘s foreign funding? It’s a business. Don’t want to say the majority of his fans are not patriotic, but they are being used by Tommy‘s backers to create discord. Why would USA billionaires be UK patriots?
Sick Boy
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He may well do but I think he would be finished long term. Nah didn’t have the pleasure, I was spending some quality time trying teach my nephew sky blue army while hiding his Filbert the Fox under the sofa
I know...i'm off to bed in my swastika wall to wall poster bedroom...Night everyone x
Yes, polish your jack boots whilst you’re at it. Saves time in the morning.. so I hear. ;-)
I think that this government has run against a brick wall. So it is an election or a second referendum. Or an election and then a second referendum. I don’t agree with referenda on these national game changers, but as I keep saying, if this is the chosen method for this question, then so be it.
Grendel
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But on this thread you’ve said yes no referendum are totally acceptable and can be run again and again if public mood demands it
clint van damme
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I think if the Tories k ew Labour would definitely split and Labour knew the Tories would definitely split they'd both do it tomorrow.
I think it's only the fear of giving the other party a massive upper hand that's stopping them.
No I didn’t.
Meanwhile:
„Back in the Commons, Tory grandee Ken Clarke called on ministers to consider revoking article 50 - which would effectively cancel Brexit.
The Father of the House said: "Although the House regards itself, the majority do, as bound by this opinion poll or referendum that we held in 2016, in which absolutely none of the circumstances of that are now talked about were remotely discussed with public before the vote was taken.
"Isn't the obvious thing for government to start considering revoking Article 50 to save us from the disastrous consequences of leaving with no deal for our economy, our business, our employment and many other things?
"If anybody can ever put this shambles back together again and wants to resume the process of leaving the European Union they can go ahead and see if the future House of Commons is ever more receptive than this one's been."
Mr Barclay responded saying the policy of the government had not changed and Article 50 would not be revoked.“
Grendel
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Yes you did with Scotland and their referendum
Grendel
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Is The Father of the House a title?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Despite the shambles that Theresa May and the Tory party are making of their time in office, Labour's scheming for another election in the midst of it all is completely misguided and will bite them in the arse if they press ahead with it before Brexit is finished.
I suppose it’s because he’s been there so long.
Grendel
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No longer than Dennis Skinner
Brighton Sky Blue
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The tie breaker is who was sworn in first
Grendel
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So it’s irrelevant then. Ironic when you consider the Grandee Tobacco minted Mr Clarke has more in common with you than the working class man of the people Dennis Skinner isn’t it?
When Scotland voted we were all in the EU, so that really wasn’t as drastic as what is happening now. Life would have gone on similar to now either way. I was happy enough that that went well for the Union. We had a referendum on whether to keep our airport or build a housing estate. We‘re keeping the airport, but it won’t change our lives for generations and we can knock it down later if we change our minds. Screwing up the UK on a 52:48 vote in a referendum on such a complicated issue is a different kettle of fish. And I think the referendum was a bad idea.
Brighton Sky Blue
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What??
Grendel
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The yes no Regerendum in Scotland had no clear plan if it was to leave if they would remain in the EU. I’m fact the EU economic tests would certainly mean they could not and if eventually they would they would adopt the Euro.
There was no confirmation what currency they could use and far more uncertainty than if the Uk left - at the time there was no discussion on how trade and border controls would work
Yet to you a yes no vote was very legitimate
How very strange
Grendel
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Mr clarke and you are practically identical in your political ideology
Not really. I was not that bothered.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The politician most in line with my views works across the Atlantic so you're some way off. As a republican there is no contest between Skinner and any Tory though.
skybluetony176
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I’d imagine that Ken Clarke serving in government has something to do with it also.
Sky Blue Pete
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What’s changed today? How thick are they? What was going to change with the last week of debate what a colossal waste of time
Astute
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Who said polls are skewed? I said how they might be decided. There is a fairly high percentage of people living in the UK that were not born here if you consider how much the referendum was won/lost by. And if you think that these polls are designed to take this away then fair play to you.
You seem sure it can't make any difference. I am not sure.
Astute
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Would you like to explain as you love calling people thick :smuggrin:
dutchman
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If I remember correctly the EU strongly intimated that an independent Scotland wouldn't automatically retain EU membership until that is the rest of Britain voted to leave and the EU suddenly did a 180 degree U-turn
Sick Boy
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People not born here were unable to vote in the referendum, unless they had British citizenship. EU citizens weren’t able to vote in it, so I’m not sure what your point it is?
Having known non EU citizens who’ve applied for British citizenship, I’d be shocked if vast numbers of EU citizens had applied pre Brexit, considering the costs involved when applying for it.
To try and make out that the result of the referendum was close because foreign nationals were voting in it is ludicrous, if you ask me. Believe it or not but a lot of British citizens are actually pro EU
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Astute
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Oh SB. Why do you go off in such a tangent?
Here we go yet again.....as usual. Show me where I even hinted about foreign nationals voting for anything. I had said the total opposite. I had said about foreign nationals not voting. So you have excelled yourself this time.
Now take a deep breath and relax. And try again.
All I was making was a point that could be true. Opinion polls ask in or out of the EU. Opinion polls had us voting remain comfortably before the referendum. But how many people are they asking who are not allowed to vote?
Nothing sinister. Not anti EU. Not wanting to get rid of immigrants and Immigration. Not bigging up May. Not saying we should leave. Not saying that I admire Farage. Not scapegoating immigrants. Not any of the accusations you normally put to me. For once can you just read what I have put as though it is by someone who you normally agree with all the time? Because I can ask a question and you throw several accusations. But someone else can ask the same question and you 'like' what they say.
Sick Boy
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There is a fairly high percentage of people living in the UK that were not born here if you consider how much the referendum was won/lost by - your words, not mine. What exactly did you mean by this then?
How do you explain the polls showing May was going to easily win the last election? Were there loads polls being done of people who couldn’t vote but would be desperate to vote for her? I think not.
The referendum was more to do with many people voting leave who do not normally vote or engage in politics rather mass polling non eligible voters; or perhaps they just didn’t sample enough people. Polls also got closer and closer the nearer we got to the vote.
Try to relax it looks like this is all getting to you a little bit with your mini rant
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skybluetony176
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Sure. I asked a question. That’s what a question mark at the end of a sentence denotes. Now do you understand? Another question, hence the question mark again.
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Astute
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My mini rant?There is a fairly high percentage of people living in the UK that were not born here if you consider how much the referendum was won/lost by - your words, not mine. What exactly did you mean by this then?
How do you explain the polls showing May was going to easily win the last election? Were there loads polls being done of people who couldn’t vote but would be desperate to vote for her? I think not.
The referendum was more to do with many people voting leave who do not normally vote or engage in politics rather mass polling non eligible voters; or perhaps they just didn’t sample enough people. Polls also got closer and closer the nearer we got to the vote.
Try to relax it looks like this is all getting to you a little bit with your mini rant
Yes my words. If they do their polls somewhere like London they will have a good chance of asking a lot of people not allowed to vote.
But you can look at it other ways. We will ignore the chance of asking those not allowed to vote. If they did their polls in Ireland or Scotland they would most probably get a remain result. Especially in Scotland as remain was a landslide there. Both of them voted to remain. If they ask the same question in England they would most probably get a leave result. More than 52% of England voted leave. It was 53.4%. Nearly 2m more people voted leave than remain in England.
But why should Scotland have to leave when 62% voted remain?
But there again why should England have to remain because Scotland wants to leave? The largest amount of population to vote was England. 73% of those able to vote did.
Look at the map of those who voted leave or remain. All of Scotland is yellow. Every area voted remain. Then look at England. Only London and a few other places are yellow. Nearly everywhere voted leave.
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Yet the polls before the referendum said we wanted to remain. So what are your thoughts on why the polls were so wrong? Because you 100% disagree that it could be down to who they ask.
Astute
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But you call people thick for not knowing everything. So maybe you should hold off with your insults.
Most opinion polls are done on the street or online these days. Is a passport/voting right ever shown when answering questions on a poll?