The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (105 Viewers)

[Astute]

Theresa May has staked her legacy as PM on this Brexit deal, she's had to essentially promise to step down after Brexit is finalised to cling on to power, desperately. She was never an enthusiastic Remainer and was pretty non-committal during the referendum. She wouldn't have become PM had she been an enthusiastic Remainer like Osborne or Cameron (hence their political careers died with Brexit). Anyway, she's committed to Brexit, that's pretty clear because she's publically rejected Tony Blair's calls for a second referendum. Even some of her closest allies are pushing for a second referendum under her nose.

Either way, the Brexiteers blew their chance to govern the country because they couldn't put aside their personal ambition, Boris Johnson was the best hope for a Brexiteer PM, and Gove 'persuaded' him not to run. The likelihood was that May would've beaten him on the membership vote anyway.

That isn't correct though. She was one of the rare ones that knew what would happen and stated clearly so.

Theresa May on Brexit: Then and now

 

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[Astute]

Astute hasn't answered my question. That's all.

Of course I haven't because you would have to admit that you are wrong as usual. Your problem is that everyone on here can read.

 

[martcov]

Macron would be proud of you you pathetic little freak

On the pop today?

The rights to appeal against dismissal from work have in some circumstances been removed

The rights to claim benefits in some circumstances are to be removed.

Astute has had your pants down because you are just a bit thick and never bother to do any research beyond the German press.

Stop making yourself a continual laughing stock.

Not quite.
 A Decree will establish a model dismissal letter  Possible to clarify or complete the reasons contained in the dismissal letter, after notification + to complete the reasons before court unless the employee already (unsuccessfully) asked for it to the employer (they probably systematically will) = Risk: unfair dismissal  Indemnity when the procedure is not fully compliant: max 1 month of damages  When one of the reasons for dismissal breaches a fundamental right (null and void = uncap damages then with a 6-month minimum), the judge should take the valid ones when deciding the amount of damages to award  The general deadline to challenge the termination will be reduced from 24 to 12 months (as long as mentioned in the dismissal letter)

 

[martcov]

Of course I haven't because you would have to admit that you are wrong as usual. Your problem is that everyone on here can read.

I would have thought you want to make me admit that I am wrong. So, where's the list?

 

[martcov]

Double negatives...AAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!

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wrong again

 

[Astute]

I would have thought you want to make me admit that I am wrong. So, where's the list?

You won't admit the truth when the rest of the world can see it. So what is the use in trying.

In fact I said I would ignore you. And I will. I have better things to do with my time. Like sticking pins in my eyes.

 

[martcov]

The rights to appeal against dismissal from work have in some circumstances been removed

The rights to claim benefits in some circumstances are to be removed.

Astute has had your pants down because you are just a bit thick and never bother to do any research beyond the German press.

Stop making yourself a continual laughing stock.

They haven't removed these rights though have they? They have reduced the basic right, but there is still unfair dismissal. The right to claim benefits in some circumstances,,,,, but the basic right is there. Will they be worse off than people in austerity Britain after all this?

 

[martcov]

You won't admit the truth when the rest of the world can see it. So what is the use in trying.

In fact I said I would ignore you. And I will. I have better things to do with my time. Like sticking pins in my eyes.

Please do. It would have been nice to have an intelligent reply from you, but that seems to be a problem.

 

[martcov]

Er no it is not. But it will appeal to the standard idiots on here

People have equated it to a form of Thatcherism. Can't think why....

 

[martcov]

Germany’s hidden hunger: On the breadline in Europe’s richest country

Around 1.5 million people are supported by affiliated Tafeln across the country, with countless more served by independent food banks. And according to a survey carried out by the federation in 2016, demand is growing.

“The German economy has been growing steadily for decades,” explains Manuela Barisic, project manager at the Bertelsmann Foundation, which recently published a report on the distribution of wealth in Germany.

“But huge numbers of Germans — 40% of the population in fact — aren’t enjoying any of that prosperity for themselves. Inequality and poverty are both growing.”

Older people have been hardest hit. The number of retirees living below the poverty line has increased from about 10% to 15% since 2005, according to a study published this year.

How does that compare to the UN report on Britain? Mild in comparison.

 

[Astute]

The UN has its finger on the pulse....

Clashes in Brussels over UN migration pact

 

[Sick Boy]

The UN has its finger on the pulse....

Clashes in Brussels over UN migration pact

What are you suggesting here? It’s not like the far-right is a majority, is it?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

That isn't correct though. She was one of the rare ones that knew what would happen and stated clearly so.

Theresa May on Brexit: Then and now

She was a Remainer, there’s no denying that. But, she wasn’t an enthusiastic on the campaign trail at all. She played the field in case the country voted to Leave — given what’s happened, this is self-evident.

As I say, she’s staked her legacy as a PM on delivering Brexit. She’s committed to this course. If she’s sabotaging this deal, hypothetically, she’s doing it at her own expense.

 

[Grendel]

Mad Mart lives in his own myopic bubble. If the German olredc

They haven't removed these rights though have they? They have reduced the basic right, but there is still unfair dismissal. The right to claim benefits in some circumstances,,,,, but the basic right is there. Will they be worse off than people in austerity Britain after all this?

I’m bored now. The fact you defend a premier with the lowest ratings in Europe as he tows your ideological clap trap speaks volumes.

Take it up with this right wing rag

'France's violent protests and arrests will do nothing to stop Macron from eroding workers' rights'

 

[Astute]

What are you suggesting here? It’s not like the far-right is a majority, is it?

The UN wants to bring in things that many EU countries refuse to sign up to. Italy has already clashed with the UN as you know.

 

[Sick Boy]

The UN wants to bring in things that many EU countries refuse to sign up to. Italy has already clashed with the UN as you know.

I’m not sure what a far-right protest has to do with it? You appear to be using a far-right protest as a method to discredit the UN.

 

[Astute]

She was a Remainer, there’s no denying that. But, she wasn’t an enthusiastic on the campaign trail at all. She played the field in case the country voted to Leave — given what’s happened, this is self-evident.

As I say, she’s staked her legacy as a PM on delivering Brexit. She’s committed to this course. If she’s sabotaging this deal, hypothetically, she’s doing it at her own expense.

Not being on the campaign trail doesn't mean she wasn't enthusiastic about remaining. How about commenting on the link I put up for you?

Most of those on the campaign trail came out with the lies that was what Vote Remain told us. That was the official party line. But as you can see May said it as it is. How many others did?

 

[Astute]

I’m not sure what a far-right protest has to do with it? You appear to be using a far-right protest as a method to discredit the UN.

Far right to discredit the UN?

So the EU countries that refuse to sign up are far right? Italy has gone fully against the UN so is it fully far right?

It happened in Brussels. A main home of the EU. It is yet another major protest with rioting. This isn't bigging up the right wing. It is mentioning what is going on. But I know some on here don't want rioting and unrest mentioning. But if it happened in the UK these same people would be all over it and blaming Brexit.

 

[Sick Boy]

Far right to discredit the UN?

So the EU countries that refuse to sign up are far right? Italy has gone fully against the UN so is it fully far right?

It happened in Brussels. A main home of the EU. It is yet another major protest with rioting. This isn't bigging up the right wing. It is mentioning what is going on. But I know some on here don't want rioting and unrest mentioning. But if it happened in the UK these same people would be all over it and blaming Brexit.

You posted a link to an article about a far-right protest of 5000 people from numerous countries.

It just comes across as another attempt to discredit the EU and now the UN after it highlighted the shocking levels of poverty in the UK.

At some point there’s going to come a time when the UK is going to have to look closer to home and take a good look at itself.

There seems to have been suggestions on here that the EU is all about making money for the wealthy and that somehow Brexit would combat this. I’m not sure whether these people are living in an alternate reality, the likes of Rees Mogg, Johnson et al couldn’t care less about the poor and those living in poverty.

 

[martcov]

Mad Mart lives in his own myopic bubble. If the German olredc


I’m bored now. The fact you defend a premier with the lowest ratings in Europe as he tows your ideological clap trap speaks volumes.

Take it up with this right wing rag

'France's violent protests and arrests will do nothing to stop Macron from eroding workers' rights'

'In summary, they accuse the former Rothschild merchant banker of being a “friend of the rich” who wants to break down hard-won workers’ rights, essentially turning France into another Britain or America. Rather than what exists in France now: a 35-hour working week; lots of days off, including the whole of August; and numerous other perks for workers, the head of state is more interested in an Anglo-Saxon type workforce – one that is more ambitious, profit-led, and industrious.'

Not remove rights as you claim, but reduce them to British levels. Funny how some moan about him, but fail to realise that his aim is bring the British system to France. Why aren't you asking for British workers to aim for French conditions if you are genuinely conserned about workers' rights?

 

[martcov]

What are you suggesting here? It’s not like the far-right is a majority, is it?

Any link to the Hungarian protests against the right wing government from Astute? No? Oh that's strange.

 

[Grendel]

'In summary, they accuse the former Rothschild merchant banker of being a “friend of the rich” who wants to break down hard-won workers’ rights, essentially turning France into another Britain or America. Rather than what exists in France now: a 35-hour working week; lots of days off, including the whole of August; and numerous other perks for workers, the head of state is more interested in an Anglo-Saxon type workforce – one that is more ambitious, profit-led, and industrious.'

Not remove rights as you claim, but reduce them to British levels. Funny how some moan about him, but fail to realise that his aim is bring the British system to France. Why aren't you asking for British workers to aim for French conditions if you are genuinely conserned about workers' rights?

Macron has removed rights - if he’s reduced them from what they are rights have been removed you dummy

Also - I repeat - the uk government has not attempted to hike fuel duties massively and has not reduced higher rate taxes to assist the wealthy in recent times.

He isn’t aiming to resemble Britain at all. France has a crippling income tax system for its citizens and the scale of national debt is rising.

Macron sees himself as an emperor over his people.

Also I do not think May, despite her many flaws, has been offering benefits to a bodyguard, has not tried to cover up lies the bodyguard made to the police and is not implicated in having had a homosexual relationship with said bodyguard at risk to national security. Has that enquiry been concluded yet?

 

[Astute]

You posted a link to an article about a far-right protest of 5000 people from numerous countries.

It just comes across as another attempt to discredit the EU and now the UN after it highlighted the shocking levels of poverty in the UK.

At some point there’s going to come a time when the UK is going to have to look closer to home and take a good look at itself.

There seems to have been suggestions on here that the EU is all about making money for the wealthy and that somehow Brexit would combat this. I’m not sure whether these people are living in an alternate reality, the likes of Rees Mogg, Johnson et al couldn’t care less about the poor and those living in poverty.

So are we to ignore rioting and demonstrations that happen?

You also love to say how the rich make money in the UK. But you don't like it mentioning elsewhere in the EU. It happens throughout the EU. So why do you only want it mentioning in the UK?

It comes across as an attempt to discredit the UN and EU because that is the way you want to see it. But how about discussing why it is happening?

 

[Astute]

Any link to the Hungarian protests against the right wing government from Astute? No? Oh that's strange.

Did they riot in Brussels?

Did they even riot?

They did in your eyes I suppose.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Astute - I see no other responsible way but to put it back to the people in a vote. Where are you at?

 

[Grendel]

Astute - I see no other responsible way but to put it back to the people in a vote. Where are you at?

It’s absurd. Unless you agree we need to keep doing it as most people in the uk do not want to be part of the Eu. What you are suggesting is exactly the type of democracy Stalin inflicted.

In the end the country will leave the Eu and this needs Eu be achieved as painlessly as possible - going through more and more votes will achieve nothing

 

[martcov]

Macron has removed rights - if he’s reduced them from what they are rights have been removed you dummy

Also - I repeat - the uk government has not attempted to hike fuel duties massively and has not reduced higher rate taxes to assist the wealthy in recent times.

He isn’t aiming to resemble Britain at all. France has a crippling income tax system for its citizens and the scale of national debt is rising.

Macron sees himself as an emperor over his people.

Also I do not think May, despite her many flaws, has been offering benefits to a bodyguard, has not tried to cover up lies the bodyguard made to the police and is not implicated in having had a homosexual relationship with said bodyguard at risk to national security. Has that enquiry been concluded yet?

You’re just playing with words. I said he reduced rights. Which is true.

He has said what his aim is. He is equated with Thatcher by some.

Whether May is homosexual or has a bodyguard has nothing to with it.

Would you say that putting a cap on benefits is doing away with benefits?

 

[martcov]

It’s absurd. Unless you agree we need to keep doing it as most people in the uk do not want to be part of the Eu. What you are suggesting is exactly the type of democracy Stalin inflicted.

In the end the country will leave the Eu and this needs Eu be achieved as painlessly as possible - going through more and more votes will achieve nothing

Asking the people if this is what they really want is not absurd. Absurd is leaving because it seemed like a good idea at the time, even though it looks like being a crock of sxxt at the moment.

 

[Grendel]

Asking the people if this is what they really want is not absurd. Absurd is leaving because it seemed like a good idea at the time, even though it looks like being a crock of sxxt at the moment.

So you agree we can ask the people every year?

 

[Grendel]

You’re just playing with words. I said he reduced rights. Which is true.

He has said what his aim is. He is equated with Thatcher by some.

Whether May is homosexual or has a bodyguard has nothing to with it.

Would you say that putting a cap on benefits is doing away with benefits?

You are all over the place

It’s all a bit sad really

 

[martcov]

Did they riot in Brussels?

Did they even riot?

They did in your eyes I suppose.

Who?

There were protests in Hungary. You won’t mention that because it’s push back on a right wing government. Just for you: Hungary's controversial 'slave law' passes, sparking protests in parliament - CNN

 

[martcov]

You are all over the place

It’s all a bit sad really

Says someone bringing up homosexuality into a discussion on reducing benefits and unfair dismissal rights. Sad.

 

[martcov]

So you agree we can ask the people every year?

No. A final say is not ‚every year‘.

 

[Sick Boy]

So are we to ignore rioting and demonstrations that happen?

You also love to say how the rich make money in the UK. But you don't like it mentioning elsewhere in the EU. It happens throughout the EU. So why do you only want it mentioning in the UK?

It comes across as an attempt to discredit the UN and EU because that is the way you want to see it. But how about discussing why it is happening?

I would rather not waste time discussing a far-right protest, thanks.

I see you failed to mention recent protests in the UK.

 

[Sick Boy]

Macron has removed rights - if he’s reduced them from what they are rights have been removed you dummy

Also - I repeat - the uk government has not attempted to hike fuel duties massively and has not reduced higher rate taxes to assist the wealthy in recent times.

He isn’t aiming to resemble Britain at all. France has a crippling income tax system for its citizens and the scale of national debt is rising.

Macron sees himself as an emperor over his people.

Also I do not think May, despite her many flaws, has been offering benefits to a bodyguard, has not tried to cover up lies the bodyguard made to the police and is not implicated in having had a homosexual relationship with said bodyguard at risk to national security. Has that enquiry been concluded yet?

If he was in the UK he would probably get a top government job within a couple of years. Please note I’m sure that Liam Fox and Adam Werrity are just really good friends.