Astute
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Is that Juncker you are talking about?
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (275 Viewers)
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Astute
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Yes we can leave on our own terms. But it would be without any sort of deal with the EU. As in a hard Brexit. We don't have to agree to anything that they are pushing us into.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
No it’s not actually, it’s a high powered UK Minister. As I’ve said before, the UK needs to take a good look at itself before attempting to take the moral highground.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
We were actually discussing Macron and Liam Fox, I’m not sure why you’re trying to divert to Junker. Perhaps there’s always wrongdoing amongst politicians, even in the UK.
There’s plenty of wrongdoing and injustice going on here, I look forward to your future threads where you spend several years complaining about them.
Astute
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So am I not allowed to put up where rioting is going on?
Astute
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Yet you only ever aim at the UK and leave everyone else alone. And then when I pull you up on it you call me anti EU.
At the way you work this out are you anti UK?
Astute
Well-Known Member
And the EU doesn't need to look at themselves? They even stopped the investigation from taking any action.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
You’re free to do what you like?
Astute
Well-Known Member
Free to do so but get hounded for it.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I’ve always said that the EU needs reform and is far from perfect.
I’d like to see anyone suspected of wrongdoing and abusing their power to be investigated, no matter where they’re from. Sadly it would probably mean there wouldn’t be endless investigations
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It’s an open Internet forum, you shouldn’t be surprised when others comment on your posts.
Astute
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Look at the last page or two. Count how many times you have had a go at anyone from the UK. Look at how many times you have had a go at anyone who has mentioned anything that you see as against anyone or anything to do with the EU.
Then look back and try and find the last time you could be seen even slightly having a go at anyone or anything to do with the EU.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Comment yes. But not have everything twisted all the time.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Half the time it’s in response to those with the attitude that Brexit must happen no matter what, it’s weird you never call these people out and only seem to apply these rules of yours to remainers.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Ffs how was it twisting? You were the one talking about protests in Brussels and then provided a link to a far right protest that happened to be in Brussels.
I did not claim you were endorsing the far right, just asking why it was relevant and the point of including the link
Did you read the link?
Sky Blue Pete
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I’d just ask how many people want that? Cause I think and it is only a think it wouldn’t be half of the leave voters
The gist of it was that we are going to make more concessions and whatever we do and with whoever we trade we will have to give up some sovereignty. At least we sit at the table in a powerful trade bloc in the EU. I don’t think leavers in general take the time to digest things as in this lecture. As he points out, the discussion has kept largely away from the single market for services where we have a surplus with the EU. When we get to the next stage, that’s where that kicks in. Then come the trade offs which destroy the leavers’ dream.
People are not going to like this. Neither remain nor leave.
Astute
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Why don't you look back?
You only ever notice my comments about one side but they are invisible when it is what you agree with most of the time.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Did I say you twisted this?
There was rioting. It was to do with what is going on. It was on the doorstep of the EU. It was to do with the UN. And the UK was mentioned with the UN. Look back if you missed it.
It was to do with protests against the UN pact guaranteeing the safe journey of human beings fleeing war zones and to encourage international efforts to stop people smugglers and people abusing other human beings in a desperate situation. Over 160 countries signed the pact out of 190 + countries. The nasty bastards in some right wing governments don’t like helping other human beings outside of their tribe. Their Flemish Nazi fans were out on the streets.
As a labour remain voter you will be pleased to see this poll:
„The survey suggests there is little downside to Labour backing a second referendum. Among Labour supporters another vote is massively popular, with 77 per cent in favour and just 23 per cent against.“
Mucca Mad Boys
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What point are you trying to make exactly?
In the link you posted, it goes to show how non-committal May was. She talks of risks, but you'd expect that from any sensible politician with sound judgement. Compare what May said compared to Osborne saying Brexit would make UK 'permanently poorer' and it would 'lose control' of its economy -- that's far more aggressive rhetoric. Evidently, May was in support of Remain, that point isn't being contested. To clarify what I mean, she wasn't enthusiastic in the sense of making lots of public appearances and making the aggressive case, that Osborne made, for example. She kept a relatively low profile compared to other cabinet ministers of similar standing and she didn't stake her career on the outcome of the referendum as the likes of Cameron, Osborne and Boris did. Hence, she was able to emerge from the campaign as the 'unity' candidate back in 2016. This isn't me guessing, this is actually what happened.
It should be clear that May really is committed to Brexit, she said a second referendum would be a 'betrayal' to the public vote in 2016. She's even staked her career on getting this Brexit deal through parliament. She's turned round to her own MPs and promised to step down before the next election in order to try and get this deal through. This Brexit deal defines her political career, it's what she was elected to deliver and for all her faults, she very clearly sees it as her duty to deliver that. Most politicians in her position wouldn't rule out a second referendum, yet May is seemingly willing to go all in with her deal. Incredible stubbornness. Perhaps she's a reluctant Brexiteer, but a Brexiteer nonetheless.
On the flip side, Corbyn finds himself thrust into a position where he's staked his political career on Remaining in the EU, even though he's been a eurosceptic for most of his parliamentary career. Like I think May is committed to Brexit, Corbyn is committed to Remaining because his party membership overwhelmingly supports Remain, albeit reluctantly.
George Osborne: Brexit would leave UK ‘permanently poorer’
George Osborne says Britain would 'lose control' of its economy if it left the EU
Grendel
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He’s had his snout firmly in the Eu trough and since being fired has been spouting his bilge
Astute
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What point?
I look at everything from both sides. I bring up points from both sides. But I only normally get questioned from one side.
The link I gave you was from a news outlet that is seen as unbiased. They quoted what she said before and after the referendum. I posted it because the way you was talking you would think she is and always was a leaver.
And would you expect anything else from Osborne? He didn't even want the referendum to happen.
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No doubt you could explain how the negotiations went far better. He was our representative. Maybe you think the scum Farage could explain things better?
Grendel
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Shouldn’t you be in bed Hawe hawe? I’m sure you’ve got another long day ahead of you tomorrow spouting your leaders doctrine
Don’t forget to polish the jackboots on the way up,
dutchman
Well-Known Member
If she is then she's committed to a 'Brexit' in name only. Her so-called 'deal' would tie the UK to Brussels indefinitely.
She wants to able to say to the Brexiteers in her party "Look, I've taken us out" then say to the anti-Brexiteers "Look, I've taken us out but in name only".
She wants to say to able to say the Irish: "You're still in the EU even though you're still part of Britain and Britain has left the EU".
One of the briefs to her underlings was "How can we find a form of words which appeals to both sides?"
She's "all things to all men", that's been her style all along.
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Having failed to give an intelligent response to a link to a speech made by our ex representative in the EU, a man who does know what he is talking about and who didn’t take an agressive stance in his speech, you resort to summing it up as bilge and throwing in a misspelled insult. ( It is Haw Haw not Hawe Hawe ).
Says it all really.
I asked you to put up some good points about the EU. Still waiting...,
Sky Blue Pete
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Any comment on the words or just the person? Which of the nine main points do you have more experience of, which do you disagree with and why and which do you think are good points?
Funny how many of the ‘experts’ who were saying how easy it was all going to be are a little bit quiet now
Sky Blue Pete
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New EU poll 'would break faith with people'
Would it really? I’m still reeling that our elected representatives abdicated their responsibility on the issue but surely there is a way of asking the people on what they would now want given what’s happened? Maybe trust is irrecoverably lost in any case as there are very few politicians that seem to understand the issues affecting a majority of their constituents.
Would it really? I’m still reeling that our elected representatives abdicated their responsibility on the issue but surely there is a way of asking the people on what they would now want given what’s happened? Maybe trust is irrecoverably lost in any case as there are very few politicians that seem to understand the issues affecting a majority of their constituents.
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Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It’s all about her wanting to appear tough to the Brexiteers and saving her career, who knows what she genuinely thinks.
I wonder when she is going to start being ‘a bloody difficult woman’ in these ‘negotiations’?
Astute
Well-Known Member
Is it surprising that people thought it would be easy when we had MP's that didn't have a clue?
It could have been a lot easier. But the EU doesn't want us to leave. They constantly told us we could change our minds and they wouldn't hold it against us. They have continued with project fear like for instance all of our aircraft will not be able to fly. That has never been correct.
They have too much to lose from us leaving. But it has all been directed to what we have to lose. And the fear is getting to people.
They need the billions off us each year. Germany isn't as strong as people think. They have more poor than us. And they are by far the strongest.
But the EU is the same as nearly every government. This includes the UK government. They don't care about the citizens. They care about themselves and the rich.
All we can do is vote someone in and hope they will be better than the last lot. But when did we last have a government that was for the people? Most on here wouldn't have even been born.
All we have is mistrust for those in charge. And if we end up staying in the EU the last small bit of trust will be gone.