Sky Blue Pete
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They may have done it’s quite momentous isn’t it?
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I have admitted nothing of the sort. But as I have said, this government is known for trying it on.
Anyway, how far has your research got you?
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Well to be honest if you can’t get past the concept of accepting impartiality in the role then there is little point in carrying on is there as that forms the basis of accepted protocol. There are clues to the impartiality
I find David Starkeys article - if somewhat pretentious - certainly an insight into historical context and entertaining - the fact no speaker has attempted what bercow is attempting for over 500 years is telling. The fact he has a meeting with Grieve 2 days before his actions highly disturbing.
skybluetony176
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Is he going to behead his wife as divorce isn’t legal yet?
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Astute
Well-Known Member
So parliament should be against what the public votes for when we are allowed a vote?
Forget that you are desperate for us to stay in the EU and answer honestly.
Astute
Well-Known Member
And they are in place to do as we ask. They represent us. That is representative democracy.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Hahaha ive already said the country should take the EEA option.
The UK is a representative parliamentary democracy, we are ruled by plebiscites
Astute
Well-Known Member
That is absolute bullshit and you know it is.
Office and Role of Speaker
What is the role of the Speaker of the House of Commons?
Astute
Well-Known Member
Of course you want the EEA option. It means we are in the EU still. We would have to pay in as we do now. We would have to follow the same rules and regulations just like we do now. Or are you going to tell me I am wrong on this fact again?
EEA is a worse choice than remaining in the EU.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
No it doesn’t.
Astute
Well-Known Member
So what is the difference between EEA and full membership other than we have a slight say in things as a full member but no say as EEA?
Mucca Mad Boys
Well-Known Member
What’s the utility of making up hypothetical scenarios?
Let’s see how things pan out, but if Parliament cannot sort this mess out, a second referendum becomes necessary. Right now, MPs are strongly against a No Deal scenario and are set to reject to reject May’s Deal by a margin expected to be over 100 votes to about 228. The indicative votes is unlikely to find a majority for a Plan B of a Norway or Canadian style-deals. The option of a second referendum is probably the only option that would find a Commons majority.
Fun times ahead.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
The UK would be able to make its own separate trade deals for starters
Astute
Well-Known Member
Carry on.....
What is different between EEA and full membership?
Trade deals with third countries - UK in a changing Europe
So we would have to have solid borders if we made trade deals elsewhere. What would that mean with Ireland?
The speaker has full authority to make sure MPs follow the rules of the House.
Which is what he has just done. You don’t like that he follows the rules of the House.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Free movement of people and sporadic customs checks on lorries. But don’t worry, the ERG says that there’s an electronic solution.
Ian1779
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Any potential 2nd referendum would have more credibility if the supposed cheating was proven in court and people were charged and/or sentenced. You would also have to investigate any claims of wrongdoing on both sides of the referendum.
If claims can't be substantiated - it takes away from that argument being an effective one for another vote.
Sky Blue Pete
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I think it’s a little nuanced. We vote for the people that make the decisions rather than vote for the decisions. Am I being pedantic? I’m sorry I’m not trying to be. Why would anyone vote for something that’s bad just cause it was popular? Or was more popular possibly in 2016?
Nick
Administrator
Are people really going out to stock up on food?
‘Hamster hoarders’ are stocking up on essentials in case of no deal Brexit
Terrified Brits build Brexit stockpiles of water, food and clothes
Attention seeking bellends. "Look at my stash of food"
People need to have a word with themselves. It isn't 28 days later or The Walking Dead.
‘Hamster hoarders’ are stocking up on essentials in case of no deal Brexit
Terrified Brits build Brexit stockpiles of water, food and clothes
Attention seeking bellends. "Look at my stash of food"
People need to have a word with themselves. It isn't 28 days later or The Walking Dead.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Your view is that it is bad. Not everyone has the same view as yourself. And it is still about as popular as remaining.
The public WAS given the choice. Blame Cameron for that. The public voted leave. They didn't vote for MP's not to follow their wishes.
Astute
Well-Known Member
The EU themselves have said hardly anything will change as it would harm those we buy from. But this point is always ignored. It takes away too many things against leaving.
Yes, quite agree. I hope that the truth comes out. As for both sides, there must be an equivalence. If one side made accounting errors and the other took dark money from non UK accounts, then you cannot say, „they all cheated so that’s ok“.
Have you a link to this? No deal means no transition period. That means things change over night.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
To be fair you said the same about a withdrawal agreement.
Nick
Administrator
So do I need to go and do a big shop or not? Should I get my daughter school uniform for the next 3 years and some clean pants just in case?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It’s shocking how some, including Davis, seemed to think they’d be a transitional period in the event of no deal.
Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
Just make a note of who's stockpiled. Go round there if it all goes to shit.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It’s scaremongering and sensational by the media.
Astute
Well-Known Member
And it is the same whichever way it goes.
So back to your previous comment. You said EEA is different than remaining in the EU. Have you got a list of how it is different yet?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
There are various policies that would not need to be adopted, if you look online yourself. Why pretend it doesn’t come down to your mean gripe though, FoM
Astute
Well-Known Member
It is shocking how you continually make out there won't be a transitional period when I have shown you a fair few times there will be
EU reveals no-deal Brexit plans
Astute
Well-Known Member
You said EEA is nothing like staying in the EU. Yet you are still to say what is totally different.
You said the good thing would be that we could make our own trade deals around the world. Yes..... but everything would need checking at our borders.
Yet you disagreed when I said EEA would be worse than staying in the EU.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
What are you on about? It’s not the transitional period that gets discussed, they’re contingency plans for a no deal
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
1. Where did I say it’d be ‘totally different’. Yet again you’ve made it up - I have continually said that it would be a way to compromise between the two sides, hence it not being ‘totally different’.
2. What would need to be checked? We’d be in the Single Market, eliminating the need for a hard border on the island of Ireland.