The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (210 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

You get called out because you only ever have a go at one side, and you're not impartial in doing so whatsoever.

Personally I am always suspicious of anyone who attempts to portay themselves as impartial on such a matter.

some time ago, don't know old the thread was at the time, and because I'm a sad bastard, I trawled through Astutes posts in this thread and found, despite claims to be neutral that his criticisms were mainly aimed at remain voters and Labour supporters! He has given May a little bit more stick of late to be fair to him.
I posted my findings if anyone cares to look!
As for your comments about Corbyn being a disaster Astute, you may well be right, but I would take my chances with him over any of the absolute incompetents in the tory party whose mismanagement of the country has lead us to where we are today. I appreciate the bar is set pretty low.

 

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[Astute]

I think he would be yes. It's about time that this country had a better chance for all, and someone was prepared to stand up to the people that treat this country as a vehicle for their own personal wealth and agenda.

Will he be successful... I don't know, but I hope he is, or at the very least someone with his ideas can take it on.

If he became PM he would get my backing.

But PM material?

If he had what it takes Labour would have a big lead right now. Where do we start?

Terrorist groups?

He has fully sympathy for terrorists who have died but refuses to have sympathy for the victims of those terrorist attacks. Not even for the victims that are children

Labour leader Corbyn faces fresh criticism for silence over Warrington bombing - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Charisma? He shows no passion. He isn't the type to make you feel he will pursue everything to the end.

We don't even know what he wants or would like to happen.

 

[Astute]

Amendment-apocalypse: Spineless MPs just voted against reality

Any leavers care to explain their thoughts? I agree completely with this standpoint.

More MP's are remain than leave. So I find it strange that they want to remain but don't want to be given the choice of what happens next.

 

[Astute]

You get called out because you only ever have a go at one side, and you're not impartial in doing so whatsoever.

Personally I am always suspicious of anyone who attempts to portay themselves as impartial on such a matter.

Absolute bollocks and you know it.

If what you say is true why didn't you answer my questions on saying who I don't have a go at? Because if you were being truthful for once there would be a long list of people that I don't have a go at.

 

[Astute]

some time ago, don't know old the thread was at the time, and because I'm a sad bastard, I trawled through Astutes posts in this thread and found, despite claims to be neutral that his criticisms were mainly aimed at remain voters and Labour supporters! He has given May a little bit more stick of late to be fair to him.
I posted my findings if anyone cares to look!
As for your comments about Corbyn being a disaster Astute, you may well be right, but I would take my chances with him over any of the absolute incompetents in the tory party whose mismanagement of the country has lead us to where we are today. I appreciate the bar is set pretty low.

Most probably correct. Because this thread is full of remainers moaning about everything and defending Corbyn to the hilt whatever the subject is. And some of you want me to keep quiet so it is a total one sided love-in.

Look at how many times things are made up by remainers. Look at how many comments are mentioned where they apply to both sides but only one side is mentioned... for instance the lies told us before the referendum.

There are several on here that would tell you black is really purple if I said black is black.

 

[Sick Boy]

Absolute bollocks and you know it.

If what you say is true why didn't you answer my questions on saying who I don't have a go at? Because if you were being truthful for once there would be a long list of people that I don't have a go at.

Because I can't be arsed and it is clear for others to see.

 

[Sick Boy]

Most probably correct. Because this thread is full of remainers moaning about everything and defending Corbyn to the hilt whatever the subject is. And some of you want me to keep quiet so it is a total one sided love-in.

Back in reality this thread is split between both sides - I am not sure who you're refering to about defending Corbyn?

 

[Astute]

Because I can't be arsed and it is clear for others to see.

Exactly.

It is clear to see yet you can't answer a simple question.

 

[Astute]

Back in reality this thread is split between both sides - I am not sure who you're refering to about defending Corbyn?

Of course you are.

Those who make stuff up all the time also defend Corbyn.

 

[Sick Boy]

Of course you are.

Those who make stuff up all the time also defend Corbyn.

I wouldn't vote for him personally, so you'll need to take that up with these other people.

 

[Otis]

I'd vote for him, but that would be as a protest vote against the Tories.

I vote Green sometimes, but wouldn't next time unless I knew they were in with a chance of winning, which their clearly won't and then as for the Lib Dems? They have now all but become the Lib Who?

 

[Sick Boy]

Exactly.

It is clear to see yet you can't answer a simple question.

Others have also said the same, if you trawl through the thread you will see where your true beliefs are, rather than taking on the more extreme views you even endorse them - like this on the first page-

 

[Ian1779]

If he became PM he would get my backing.

But PM material?

If he had what it takes Labour would have a big lead right now. Where do we start?

Terrorist groups?

He has fully sympathy for terrorists who have died but refuses to have sympathy for the victims of those terrorist attacks. Not even for the victims that are children

Labour leader Corbyn faces fresh criticism for silence over Warrington bombing - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Charisma? He shows no passion. He isn't the type to make you feel he will pursue everything to the end.

We don't even know what he wants or would like to happen.

As I have said before - I don't understand measuring capability or leadership qualities by the idea of them being in a flash suit, or having fancy catchphrases. People would say Blair was full of charisma - what a c*** he was. I'm sure that if you look back through history some of the most unpleasant characters would have been viewed as charismatic by those who followed them. It's not a measure of someone's ability to lead.

I watched an interview with Corbyn last year and he was asked if he could only achieve 1 thing in a term as PM what would it be. Instantly he said eradicate homelessness. Not some fancy catchphrase about 'stability in the national interest' like May would mumble, or any of that tripe that Labour spewed out during the Blair/Brown/Miliband years. It may not be passion, or tubthumping noise, but it was honest, and that's what I want to see in a potential PM. I think as well saying you don't know what he wants in terms of Brexit is fair. But about his general direction he wants to take the party - I think that is evident.

If he was incapable as he supposedly is, there wouldn't be the amount of column inches dedicated to discredit him.

 

[Astute]

Others have also said the same, if you trawl through the thread you will see where your true beliefs are, rather than taking on the more extreme views you even endorse them - like this on the first page-

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So it isn't in chaos?

The EU is having problems with several countries. The UK wants to leave that would leave a massive funding loss. The racist vote is growing throughout the EU countries. They want to build prison camps to hold illegal immigrants from outside the EU. But until then they have stopped them from leaving countries like ITALY which you know about but always try to ignore. How about countries like ITALY that can't afford to keep to the budget set by the EU?

The list is endless. But you are in denial.

I suppose you will try and tell us that the backbone of the EU Gremany isn't in recession next.

 

[Astute]

As I have said before - I don't understand measuring capability or leadership qualities by the idea of them being in a flash suit, or having fancy catchphrases. People would say Blair was full of charisma - what a c*** he was. I'm sure that if you look back through history some of the most unpleasant characters would have been viewed as charismatic by those who followed them. It's not a measure of someone's ability to lead.

I watched an interview with Corbyn last year and he was asked if he could only achieve 1 thing in a term as PM what would it be. Instantly he said eradicate homelessness. Not some fancy catchphrase about 'stability in the national interest' like May would mumble, or any of that tripe that Labour spewed out during the Blair/Brown/Miliband years. It may not be passion, or tubthumping noise, but it was honest, and that's what I want to see in a potential PM. I think as well saying you don't know what he wants in terms of Brexit is fair. But about his general direction he wants to take the party - I think that is evident.

If he was incapable as he supposedly is, there wouldn't be the amount of column inches dedicated to discredit him.

As you know a big thing for me would be solving the homeless crisis. By the sound of it you think I would make a good PM as well.

Column inches dedicated to discredit him? You are in full defensive mode for him now. There is so much because of everything he has done and is doing. He is a party leader so will be looked at. Why didn't you or any of the others defending Corbyn respond to this link I put up earlier?

Labour leader Corbyn faces fresh criticism for silence over Warrington bombing - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Do you think it is OK for Corbyn to honour terrorists but not children killed by these same terrorists?

 

[Sick Boy]

So it isn't in chaos?

The EU is having problems with several countries. The UK wants to leave that would leave a massive funding loss. The racist vote is growing throughout the EU countries. They want to build prison camps to hold illegal immigrants from outside the EU. But until then they have stopped them from leaving countries like ITALY which you know about but always try to ignore. How about countries like ITALY that can't afford to keep to the budget set by the EU?

The list is endless. But you are in denial.

I suppose you will try and tell us that the backbone of the EU Gremany isn't in recession next.

From the outside looking in the UK looks like it has currently lost its senses and is in chaos.

I see you’ve just ignored the rest of the post about the EU being a dictatorship.

 

[Ian1779]

As you know a big thing for me would be solving the homeless crisis. By the sound of it you think I would make a good PM as well.

Column inches dedicated to discredit him? You are in full defensive mode for him now. There is so much because of everything he has done and is doing. He is a party leader so will be looked at. Why didn't you or any of the others defending Corbyn respond to this link I put up earlier?

Labour leader Corbyn faces fresh criticism for silence over Warrington bombing - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Do you think it is OK for Corbyn to honour terrorists but not children killed by these same terrorists?

It’s not OK, it’s unacceptable if that is the case. So there you have it. I am critical of him, does that make you happy?

Now whilst we are on the subject, I don’t seem to remember you making a comment on the fact I have previously mentioned about May and her government selling weapons to Saudi Arabia which are used to kill innocent children in Yemen.

So you must obviously be in full defence mode of her.

 

[Astute]

From the outside looking in the UK looks like it has currently lost its senses and is in chaos.

I see you’ve just ignored the rest of the post about the EU being a dictatorship.

Are you saying that the EU doesn't dictate what countries in the EU have to do? As you know they have dictated what Italy has to do. They have dictated what is to happen to the immigrants now left stranded in Italy. They have dictated the budget that the Italian government is allowed.

Why do all the leaders of the countries in the EU want the EU to reform? After all you make out that the EU is such a good thing and nothing wrong with the way things are decided.

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s not OK, it’s unacceptable if that is the case. So there you have it. I am critical of him, does that make you happy?

Now whilst we are on the subject, I don’t seem to remember you making a comment on the fact I have previously mentioned about May and her government selling weapons to Saudi Arabia which are used to kill innocent children in Yemen.

So you must obviously be in full defence mode of her.

I’m sure he’s writing up a post about the DUP’s links to paramilitary organisations.

 

[Sick Boy]

Are you saying that the EU doesn't dictate what countries in the EU have to do? As you know they have dictated what Italy has to do. They have dictated what is to happen to the immigrants now left stranded in Italy. They have dictated the budget that the Italian government is allowed.

Why do all the leaders of the countries in the EU want the EU to reform? After all you make out that the EU is such a good thing and nothing wrong with the way things are decided.

Where have I said there’s nothing wrong with the way in which things are decided? Stop making up nonsense.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Those who make stuff up all the time also defend Corbyn.

As you've just made up this statement, I look forward to you defending Corbyn to prove it isn't made up...

 

[Astute]

It’s not OK, it’s unacceptable if that is the case. So there you have it. I am critical of him, does that make you happy?

Now whilst we are on the subject, I don’t seem to remember you making a comment on the fact I have previously mentioned about May and her government selling weapons to Saudi Arabia which are used to kill innocent children in Yemen.

So you must obviously be in full defence mode of her.

Try looking again then.

But there is my point. People like yourself make out that Corbyn gets picked on for no reason. But with the shite he has done in the past how can you expect for him to get an easy ride? His past is littered with thoughts for terrorists who have died but refuses to have sympathy for any of the victims of terrorists attacks.

Yet some on here treat May as the antichrist whilst defending Corbyn. This doesn't sit right with me. It wasn't May who started off this shitstorm. It was Cameron. It isn't May that has always wanted us out of the EU. That is Corbyn.

Yes May has done an awful job so far.....unless it.is part of her plan to.keep.us in the EU without rioting on the streets. But don't worry Corbyn will be a saint again on here in a couple of days. And I will get called biased by those who are very biased again when I point out why he isn't a saint and why I don't see him as ideal PM material.

 

[Astute]

Where have I said there’s nothing wrong with the way in which things are decided? Stop making up nonsense.

Making up nonsense? I have replied to your post. And if it wasn't true or you thought you had a chance of making it sound as though it isn't true you would have tried to pick the post apart.

 

[Astute]

As you've just made up this statement, I look forward to you defending Corbyn to prove it isn't made up...

Tell me what isn't made up and who says it to be true and I will defend him. But it hasn't happened. But at least this comment by you will be worth a few pats on the back by the usual crew.

 

[clint van damme]

Try looking again then.

But there is my point. People like yourself make out that Corbyn gets picked on for no reason. But with the shite he has done in the past how can you expect for him to get an easy ride? His past is littered with thoughts for terrorists who have died but refuses to have sympathy for any of the victims of terrorists attacks.

Yet some on here treat May as the antichrist whilst defending Corbyn. This doesn't sit right with me. It wasn't May who started off this shitstorm. It was Cameron. It isn't May that has always wanted us out of the EU. That is Corbyn.

Yes May has done an awful job so far.....unless it.is part of her plan to.keep.us in the EU without rioting on the streets. But don't worry Corbyn will be a saint again on here in a couple of days. And I will get called biased by those who are very biased again when I point out why he isn't a saint and why I don't see him as ideal PM material.

May gave a political party linked to loyalist terrorists a billion pound of tax payers money.
She's cosied up tho a regime with close links to ISIS
Your not biased, just a hypocrite.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Tell me what isn't made up and who says it to be true and I will defend him. But it hasn't happened. But at least this comment by you will be worth a few pats on the back by the usual crew.

More to the point, you tell me how everyone who makes everything up also defends Corbyn. It's bollocks. Absolute mindless nonsensical bollocks.

Your logic is borked.

 

[Astute]

May gave a political party linked to loyalist terrorists a billion pound of tax payers money.
She's cosied up tho a regime with close links to ISIS
Your not biased, just a hypocrite.

Hypocrite?

When was the last time you had a go at Corbyn for his close links to different terrorist groups? You have made your excuses for them. Yet how about making a comment about Corbyn refusing to comment still about the innocent children murdered by the same terrorists he has praised in the past?

Now that is hypocrisy at it's highest.

So what have I said wring about May? Absolutely nothing. Would you like to point out one single post where I have defended her? Of course you don't. Because there isn't any.

But let's all try and take.the heat off Corbyn.

 

[Astute]

More to the point, you tell me how everyone who makes everything up also defends Corbyn. It's bollocks. Absolute mindless nonsensical bollocks.

Your logic is borked.

It will be. But all you have to do is look back a page or two and if you can read you will see it.

So how about all those who don't defend Corbyn..... or they say so. How many have made a comment about the innocent children murdered by the terrorists he has links with and has been to their funerals in the past?

Correct. He refuses to even make any sort of.comment for.the murdered children. And I see a lack of comments on here about it also.

But nobody is pro Corbyn though ........

 

[Sick Boy]

Making up nonsense? I have replied to your post. And if it wasn't true or you thought you had a chance of making it sound as though it isn't true you would have tried to pick the post apart.

What’s the point? We’ve gone over it time and time again and you continue to make stuff up to suit your agenda.

 

[clint van damme]

Hypocrite?

When was the last time you had a go at Corbyn for his close links to different terrorist groups? You have made your excuses for them. Yet how about making a comment about Corbyn refusing to comment still about the innocent children murdered by the same terrorists he has praised in the past?

Now that is hypocrisy at it's highest.

So what have I said wring about May? Absolutely nothing. Would you like to point out one single post where I have defended her? Of course you don't. Because there isn't any.

But let's all try and take.the heat off Corbyn.

What close links? Nothing we can say on here will take the heat of Corbyn. He gets a disproportionate amount of column inches for an opposition leader.
You're another one who had an overinflated opinion of the importance of the postings on a football message board.
It's pretty amusing to be honest.

 

[Sick Boy]

May gave a political party linked to loyalist terrorists a billion pound of tax payers money.
She's cosied up tho a regime with close links to ISIS
Your not biased, just a hypocrite.

And the he tries to claim he is impartial and neutral in all of this, yet I wonder why he has never brought this up?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It will be. But all you have to do is look back a page or two and if you can read you will see it.

So how about all those who don't defend Corbyn..... or they say so. How many have made a comment about the innocent children murdered by the terrorists he has links with and has been to their funerals in the past?

Correct. He refuses to even make any sort of.comment for.the murdered children. And I see a lack of comments on here about it also.

But nobody is pro Corbyn though ........

What?!?

What on earth does this have to do with the statement that those who make stuff up all the time also defend Corbyn.

It's absolute nonsense. You can fluster and flummox and end up twisting and turning, but the statement is, well... bollocks!

 

[Astute]

What’s the point? We’ve gone over it time and time again and you continue to make stuff up to suit your agenda.

So you question what I said. This was going over old ground. Just like this thread always does. But when my reply proves you wrong you suddenly want to change the subject. And none of your buddies on here fire a single question at you.

What a surprise.

 

[Astute]

What close links? Nothing we can say on here will take the heat of Corbyn. He gets a disproportionate amount of column inches for an opposition leader.
You're another one who had an overinflated opinion of the importance of the postings on a football message board.
It's pretty amusing to be honest.

So he has only done what everyone else has? If that was true I would agree with you.

 

[Otis]

So... to deflect somewhat, what is the latest thinking on where we are with Brexit?

Extension to Article 50 and delay and then to a referendum if, as seems likely, the EU won't budge?

Surely if there is no movement, May is going to come back and MP's are going to vote down her deal again aren't they.

I think the fear of no deal will prevent that from happening, so that then just leaves another referendum doesn't it?

Anyone think the EU will budge and if so, sufficiently so?