The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (37 Viewers)

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

martcov

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Which was entirely different. That was paid to a Japanese Corp to try to protect jobs already held...but there was uproar about it. This German protectionism...trying to stop foreign buy up of German businesses. And It has so far from what I have heard, met with indifference or just casual acceptance.

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They want to compete with China and America and to that they have to have a lead. They want to keep jobs. To do that they want the EU to allow mergers where companies are involved in the world market and not primarily EU. The want to give loans and also to be able to buy technology firms for the short term to keep technology in Germany. They don’t want foreign investors to buy up their technology firms. They see the dangers of US and China buying out tech firms to leave Europe behind. Opposition says they should keep out of business and concentrate on trade agreements. They aren’t dishing out money to foreign firms to make cars in Germany.
 

Grappa

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Which was entirely different. That was paid to a Japanese Corp to try to protect jobs already held...but there was uproar about it. This German protectionism...trying to stop foreign buy up of German businesses. And It has so far from what I have heard, met with indifference or just casual acceptance.

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This is the thing that the disaster capitalists were pinning their hopes upon. People who were mugged off on the promises of a mega fucking special deal because the brits won a war and once had an empire would never be willing to fess up and admit they were conned. You were conned. We will be shafted.
 

Astute

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Which was entirely different. That was paid to a Japanese Corp to try to protect jobs already held...but there was uproar about it. This German protectionism...trying to stop foreign buy up of German businesses. And It has so far from what I have heard, met with indifference or just casual acceptance.

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And that is what makes me laugh. We have people in here that are British. They have a go at the British government for trying to protect jobs. But Germany takes it a step further and takes a stake in private companies. Not a single word is said. So the German government then can pump as much money in as they like.

I wonder what the EU will do as rules and regulations mean there must be a level playing field. But there again it is Germany. So nothing will be done. We have seen it all before and will see it all again.
 

martcov

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The link Captain put up explains both of us. You praise the EU as much as you can and applaud what they do. I look at the faults of each side.

Then you have the balls to call me biased :rolleyes:

Can you show me where I have praised the EU? Except maybe that PR is more democratic than FPTP. Most of the time I am correcting you and not specifically praising the EU.
 

Grendel

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Can you show me where I have praised the EU?
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martcov

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And that is what makes me laugh. We have people in here that are British. They have a go at the British government for trying to protect jobs. But Germany takes it a step further and takes a stake in private companies. Not a single word is said. So the German government then can pump as much money in as they like.

I wonder what the EU will do as rules and regulations mean there must be a level playing field. But there again it is Germany. So nothing will be done. We have seen it all before and will see it all again.

Where does it say the German government can pump as much money as it likes? Where does it say that if they step in it is for the long term? They are talking about technology leaving Europe and the EU potentially being squeezed out by China and USA. One thing they want is the cartel rules altered to allow giant EU mergers to compete in world markets. Plus, it is a paper, not a law. They need to reform the EU cartel system to get this. It seems pretty sensible, but has not yet been approved by the German Parliament or the EU.
 

Ashdown

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„Tusk turns up the heat

He says there is a "special place in hell for those who promoted Brexit without any plan for how to carry it."“

Quite right.
Hysterical crap ! What a ridiculous and desperate statement from a twisted and bitter individual.
 

Astute

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„Tusk turns up the heat

He says there is a "special place in hell for those who promoted Brexit without any plan for how to carry it."“

Quite right.
Is that praise for Tusk and the EU?
 

Astute

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Where does it say the German government can pump as much money as it likes? Where does it say that if they step in it is for the long term? They are talking about technology leaving Europe and the EU potentially being squeezed out by China and USA. One thing they want is the cartel rules altered to allow giant EU mergers to compete in world markets. Plus, it is a paper, not a law. They need to reform the EU cartel system to get this. It seems pretty sensible, but has not yet been approved by the German Parliament or the EU.
Wrong again.

It is in the regulations. No government is allowed to do anything to stop there from being a level playing field. But they will let Germany do it as they let Germany do it as likes. Just like dieselgate.
 

martcov

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Wrong again.

It is in the regulations. No government is allowed to do anything to stop there from being a level playing field. But they will let Germany do it as they let Germany do it as likes. Just like dieselgate.

Germany gets a load of trouble about Dieselgate. They are now asking to change the cartel regulations and be allowed to stop technology transfer. Nothing has happened yet, but they will have support for that.
 

martcov

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Hysterical crap ! What a ridiculous and desperate statement from a twisted and bitter individual.

Cut the crap and tell me whether Brexit was pushed by people who didn’t have a plan how to carry it out or not. And look what Brexit is doing to Britain. No patriot would ever have inflicted this crap on their own country. So yes there is a special place in hell for those who sold Brexit as a benefit to the British people.
 

martcov

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Wrong again.

It is in the regulations. No government is allowed to do anything to stop there from being a level playing field. But they will let Germany do it as they let Germany do it as likes. Just like dieselgate.

How can I be wrong if nothing has happened and they have only released a paper which relies on agreement from the EU?
 

martcov

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Wrong again.

It is in the regulations. No government is allowed to do anything to stop there from being a level playing field. But they will let Germany do it as they let Germany do it as likes. Just like dieselgate.

And... announcing what you want, why you want it and how you think it will work is a bit different to making an 80 million bung to a car company on the sly.
 

Grendel

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„Tusk turns up the heat

He says there is a "special place in hell for those who promoted Brexit without any plan for how to carry it."“

Quite right.

From someone who raped and pillaged his own peoples pension funds and was interviewed in a murder enquiry of a political adversary what would you expect.

Five live think his interaction is likely to strengthen the hard Brexit cause

He’s an utter wanker
 

martcov

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From someone who raped and pillaged his own peoples pension funds and was interviewed in a murder enquiry of a political adversary what would you expect.

Five live think his interaction is likely to strengthen the hard Brexit cause

He’s an utter wanker

Expected retort. At least he didn’t wreck his country on behalf of speculators and assorted liars and scoundrels. I couldn’t give a toss about the hard Brexiters they will be there until the bitter end of Brexit. I am more concerned about the victims than the people who caused this mess. Misled to be sacrificed for someone‘s fortunes.
 

Ashdown

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Cut the crap and tell me whether Brexit was pushed by people who didn’t have a plan how to carry it out or not. And look what Brexit is doing to Britain. No patriot would ever have inflicted this crap on their own country. So yes there is a special place in hell for those who sold Brexit as a benefit to the British people.
Well so far all we have is project fear and mass scaremongering from the metropolitan elite.........It's not really done anything to Britain either way as yet !.................I doubt we would hear that much about the positives either because of the incredible media bias. It's all starting to look like the millennium bug fiasco to me......a storm in a tea cup.
 

martcov

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Well so far all we have is project fear and mass scaremongering from the metropolitan elite.........It's not really done anything to Britain either way as yet !.................I doubt we would hear that much about the positives either because of the incredible media bias. It's all starting to look like the millennium bug fiasco to me......a storm in a tea cup.

Media bias? You have the 80% of the UK press which is owned by billionaire non residents on your side and parts of the BBC. Anyway keep denying that there will be negative effects if it makes you feel good.
 

Astute

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Germany gets a load of trouble about Dieselgate. They are now asking to change the cartel regulations and be allowed to stop technology transfer. Nothing has happened yet, but they will have support for that.

So what has the EU done about the rules and regulations the German car makers broke and the EU knew about when they were doing it?

Exactly. It was governments around the world that have done what the EU should have done.
 

Astute

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No. It is a an agreement about how crap Brexit is. Nothing to do with how good or bad the EU is. Saying Brexit is going horribly wrong isn’t praising the EU.
So you agree his wording is wrong then?
 

Astute

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How can I be wrong if nothing has happened and they have only released a paper which relies on agreement from the EU?
Germany goes against the EU and the EU does nothing. We already know that.
 

martcov

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So what has the EU done about the rules and regulations the German car makers broke and the EU knew about when they were doing it?

Exactly. It was governments around the world that have done what the EU should have done.

Are you saying the EU should interfere more in sovereign countries?
 

Astute

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Before it happens? Genius.
Shall we go back to dieselgate? As in when the EU knew they were breaking all rules and regulations as well as killing countless people with the pollution?

Genius you are not.
 

martcov

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Shall we go back to dieselgate? As in when the EU knew they were breaking all rules and regulations as well as killing countless people with the pollution?

Genius you are not.

So, now it is the EU‘s fault for not enforcing pesky regulations? Let’s leave that will solve that.
 

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