Alan Dugdales Moustache
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I think you have been suffering ever since the referendum, to the extent that should it not go completely tits up. you'll be suffering even more.
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Grendel
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Tony - you thought the Times was a leave publication as you made a lazy assumption that as part of the Murdoch press it was so. It isn’t. So Rupert Murdoch was aligned to a pro Europe publication.
Michael Crick was a former political editor of the BBC and we can all conclude why he hasn’t the same title at channel 4
Do you think David Dimbleby or Andrew Neil would have been allowed to remain as a heralded figure of news if they’d attended a music festival and at said music festival joined in an anthem of Fuck off Tories Tony? What do you think?
Sick Boy
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What’s the problem with that? Maybe it received some kind of a grant?
Sky Blue Pete
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That’s not the press
skybluetony176
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Yes I did. You provided a link that proves otherwise and I put my hands up straight away and said I got it wrong. See how that works. Someone provides something tangible to prove you’re wrong and you put your hands up. Not difficult and far from childish, the opposite in fact as it’s the adult thing to do. Give it a try sometime.
Not sure what your second point proves. You seem to be contradicting yourself again.
And your third “point” is just moronic, fantasists rambling. Creating a made up scenario to prove a point only proves you can’t prove your point.
Grendel
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Oh Tony it’s not a made up point
skybluetony176
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Prove me wrong and I’ll gladly put my hands up for the second time today.
Sky Blue Pete
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No-deal Brexit: UK exporters risk being locked out of world's harbours
Shocking levels of ignorance.of uk government especially key brexiteers
Shocking levels of ignorance.of uk government especially key brexiteers
Sick Boy
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They are actually fucking morons, and some on here voted for them while trying to be condescending to others
Sky Blue Pete
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What incompetence.
Shattering levels of ignorance. And shameful negligence and carelessness about things that are so important to the livelihoods of so many.
It's alarming to me what deep, deep ignorance about the whole business of trading goods (especially goods) there is within UK government. And especially among the Brexit-baying right that seems to hold such a disproportionate stranglehold on power. I think it's because most of its most powerful people work in the "investments" sector, with little real, practical knowledge of what's actually involved in running a business.
Friends take and I think he’s got a point on investment
Shattering levels of ignorance. And shameful negligence and carelessness about things that are so important to the livelihoods of so many.
It's alarming to me what deep, deep ignorance about the whole business of trading goods (especially goods) there is within UK government. And especially among the Brexit-baying right that seems to hold such a disproportionate stranglehold on power. I think it's because most of its most powerful people work in the "investments" sector, with little real, practical knowledge of what's actually involved in running a business.
Friends take and I think he’s got a point on investment
Grendel
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Here’s a clue - it’s SNOWing outside
skybluetony176
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Aside from the fact that he is none of the people we were discussing he also denied it but a handful of anonymous tweeters pass as factual evidence? Is that really where you are at?
Grendel
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That’s the problem with you Tony. It has to be building blocks or confusion exists in your mind
Denial is interesting as you’ve alleged something regarding Andrew Neil with no shred of evidence
skybluetony176
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We import components from all around the world package them together with some locally sourced products and re-export a percentage of that out. We can’t find anyone from clearing agents to the Chamber of Commerce to shipping lines that can advise us what to do to prepare for what may or may not happen. No one knows and I do mean no one. We’re having one of our worst December and January’s ever not just in orders placed but also enquires received and as yet there’s no sign of recovery and when we talk to our client base both home and abroad they’re all waiting to see what happens. It’s hard work at the moment and for the first time in a long time we’re having to be proactive in trying to look for new opportunities, something we didn’t even have to do during the banking crisis crash.
Personally I’m not surprised that the BOE has downgraded it’s growth forecast for the year, this didn’t come as a surprise considering the challenges we’re currently facing at work. If the challenges facing the company I work for is anything to go by I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets downgraded again.
skybluetony176
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Mmm. The problem with you is I stated that Andrew Neil himself has apparently outed himself as a leaver on Twitter and pointed out that he’s aligned to a Eurosceptic publication, which he is. None of which you’ve disproved. The first point you’ve completely given a wide birth to which probably tells a story on its own. I’ve given you building blocks as you put it.
You’re trying to make out Jon Snow has done something he denied doing because some random anonymous twitter users claimed he did while they were at music festival taking part in all the things young people do at music festivals. You’ve constantly dismissed personal anecdotes on here as evidence and you’ve constantly dismissed the opinions of young people on here yet now you’re trying to take both them things and portray them as gospel. Confusion is your domain not mine.
Grendel
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Tony you have stated he made a comment on twitter which you haven’t actually substantiated as you made it up. I’m now supposed to disprove something you made up
I suggest you look at some you tube videos of mr snow in action
Typical Tony. Makes something up then says it’s correct as I can’t find evidence to disprove something he made up.
skybluetony176
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I’ve stated that I read an article that states he outed himself as a leaver on Twitter. The article may be inaccurate for all I know but I haven’t made it up. Unlike what you’ve just made up I said. I never said it’s correct because you can’t find evidence to disprove it, I said you keep giving the point a wide birth, which you have until I’ve challenged you on it.
You’re response. Claim I’ve made things up by making things up about what I’ve said.
Interestingly I’ve just started looking though his Twitter account and his association with The Spectator is the first thing on his profile and the majority of his activity seems to be retweeting The Spectator tweets. Struggling to see how he’s not aligned himself with this Eurosceptic publication given he’s clearly proud of his association with it and spends the vast majority of his time promoting their agenda. If I come across the alleged tweet where he outs himself I’ll be sure to share it. In the meantime did you read about his deleted tweet where he describes a remain journalist as a crazy cat lady when she helped break the Cambridge Analytica story. Truly the actions of a committed remainer.
dutchman
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They are links to articles in a wide variety of British newspapers and they are overwhelmingly pro-EU.
Sky Blue Pete
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Why disaster capitalists are praying for a no-deal Brexit | George Monbiot
It will be the poor and vulnerable that suffer
It will be the poor and vulnerable that suffer
skybluetony176
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It’s only the plebs. Nothing to see, the political elite, hedge fund bosses ect will be alright so stop worrying. I bet they’re still laughing at tricking the plebs into voting for it.
You are off your rocker if you think the most read British press are overwhelmingly pro EU. We wouldn’t be in this stupid position if the press had actually told the people what the EU is instead of doing an Astute and scouring the EU for perceived mistakes. Pity they turned a blind eye to disparities in the UK whilst concentrating on the problems of the EU.
Yes and you will be accused of scare mongering and posting a link to a leftist rag. The poor and vulnerable will call you a remainiac and say things like „tick tock“.
John Redwood and RM will say everything is great and we will rev up the economy and just wave the trucks through to avoid queues.
And the UK will leave the EU and become a distressed trading partner.
Sick Boy
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Can you name them?
Astute
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Do I?
You agree with a massive amount of shite on here. You also chat it at times. You are nearly as biased and only want one side said as.much as the others.
So why no comment about the EU giving money to the BBC? You kept away from making a comment that would upset any of your buddies.
I find out strange that it isn't wanted to be spoken about because if it was a pro EU article.there would be a queue of people wanting me to comment on it.
Sick Boy
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You’re one of the most biased posters on this thread, you only ever seem to attack remain posters on this thread and then post links to drivel from Guido Fawkes - and then you claim to be impartial hahaha.
A queue of people? You certainly hold your opinion in high regard.
clint van damme
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I don't comment on everything on here. Some strands of the argument don't interest me unlike you who seems to want to argue about everything.
I do disagree with people on here who you tend to think I don't disagree with, but when people don't misinterpret posts, misquote people and make bold, and frankly bullshit claims about impartiality like yourself the disagreements don't tend to drag on as long as they do with you.
It's part of the reason I don't contribute to this thread as much as I used to because your persecution complex has become tedious to be honest.
Astute
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Explain yourself.
Perceived mistakes? Do you mean rule breaking or regulations breaking by the EU or Germany and the EU turns a blind eye? Not at all. I am well read on what goes on in the world. And this us a shitfest on my own doorstep so of course I read up when news articles.are.released.
You come out with pro EU propaganda constantly. How do you manage that?
Grendel
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Astute
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Chatting bollocks again I see.You’re one of the most biased posters on this thread, you only ever seem to attack remain posters on this thread and then post links to drivel from Guido Fawkes - and then you claim to be impartial hahaha.
A queue of people? You certainly hold your opinion in high regard.
Only attack remain posters? Look at how you and others queue up against myself and others that won't agree with everything said on behalf of the EU. So are you saying that I shouldn't defend myself from idiots or should I agree with the lies and false information that some of you constantly come out with?
Astute
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Yes.on the odd occasion you disagree with someone you like to agree with. But then you try to make a joke out of it. As in it is still worth a like although you are wrong.
So don't you find it strange that nobody wants to talk about the EU giving the BBC millions when they are happy to chat shite every day?
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Astute
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The BBC received a grant from the EU?
Why is it some people on here refuse to understand a point being made?
The BBC is funded by the licence fee. They are not allowed to advertise anything. And they are not allowed to take a penny from the government in case it helps bring bias about. The BBC is supposed to be totally unbiased. So if the BBC can't take money from the British government how can it take money from what rules the British government?
how is bbc funded - Google Search
dutchman
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Guardian, Telegraph, Independent, Evening Standard, Financial Times, New Statesman, Daily Mirror, Daily Record, Coventry Telegraph, Belfast Telegraph, Metro, The Spectator.
There's also of course web news articles from BBC, ITV and Channel 4.
Astute
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Look down a post. And in case you can't read it or click on the link here is the first paragraph.
conundrum in public service broadcasting is how to ensure that a publicly-fundedbroadcaster can remain independent from political control. The licence fee is a necessary, if not sufficient, part of the solution. It ensures that it is the British people who pay for the BBC, not the government.14 Jul 2014