I didn’t call Churchill a war criminal either. It was an answer to a hypothetical question about whether the Nazis would class him as a war criminal. They would have. It is a fact not my opinion.
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I didn’t call Churchill a war criminal either. It was an answer to a hypothetical question about whether the Nazis would class him as a war criminal. They would have. It is a fact not my opinion.
No, and I was answering a question. Nothing to do with my opinion on anything. The Nazis classed Churchill as a war criminal.
As for the last part, it just proves your insanity.
I said that the Nazis would have had a show trial against Churchill and covered their own crimes with excuses such as: over zealous commanders. I did not say that German crimes were ok because of over zealous commanders.
I think you are having comprehension problems.
Or are totally nuts. Which is it?
Astute
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My mad posts?
More like you want to make Churchill out to be a war criminal and not mention anyone else. And your excuse is that you are using a what if to make him look guilty of all charges alone.
Shall we get straight to the point?
You are asking if those guilty of genocide, mass rape and pillaging, outright murder and constant bombing of civilians would have found Churchill guilty of bombing civilians. And you expect me to take you seriously and not mention what went on for 6 years previously.
Astute
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Explain yourself for once.
Astute
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If that is the case why do you only call Churchill out on being a war criminal? What about Roosevelt? Because America bombed those escaping what had happened.
Sorry I forgot. Roosevelt wasn't English.
skybluetony176
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Considering that Roosevelt died before the end of the war I think the Nazis might have had trouble putting him on trial.
Astute
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And Churchill died over 50 years ago. But it doesn't stop Mart from wanting him to be considered a war criminal.
Sky Blue Pete
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War is shit
People die
Leaders sent other people in to fight their battles
Companies make money out of making arms that destroy men women and children and many people are employed by them
Pretty sure if hitler and Mussolini had to sacrifice their own families on the beaches and fields that he may have tried harder to talk about avoiding more or stopping it more quickly
How Blair hasn’t been tried for the weapons dossier and subsequent civilian deaths in Iraq beggars belief
How we are not conplicit as a nation for what’s happening in Yemen is beyond me
If we spent the defence budget on climate change technology we’d have a solution by the end of the year
People die
Leaders sent other people in to fight their battles
Companies make money out of making arms that destroy men women and children and many people are employed by them
Pretty sure if hitler and Mussolini had to sacrifice their own families on the beaches and fields that he may have tried harder to talk about avoiding more or stopping it more quickly
How Blair hasn’t been tried for the weapons dossier and subsequent civilian deaths in Iraq beggars belief
How we are not conplicit as a nation for what’s happening in Yemen is beyond me
If we spent the defence budget on climate change technology we’d have a solution by the end of the year
Grendel
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Yes we’d be nuked by North Korea
skybluetony176
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Only that’s not what he said.
Brighton Sky Blue
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If you can find him using those words obviously I don’t agree with it. However he did say that in the event of us losing Churchill would have been tried as one by the Nazis. To be honest, I don’t see why that’s worthy of debate-we can assume that Allied leaders would have been arrested or executed and that Jewish ones had been listed in the event of an invasion.
But he didn’t call the man himself a war criminal. Bomber Harris on the other hand, who orchestrated Dresden, isn’t so clean. There was no strategic value to Dresden and the war was almost over. At best it’s gratuitous and at worst a crime.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Complete bullshit
Someone askedif the Nazis would have tried Churchill as a war criminal. The answer is yes and probably the bombing of civilians would have been one of the charges.
That is it. Not complicated really.
Sky Blue Pete
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Maybe so and it’s all a balance and it’s a bit rich me saying this and that knowing I’ll never be in a position where I have to make the choices we’re talking about.
I haven’t called Churchill out. I said the Nazis classed him as a war criminal. Which they did.
Which means the Nazis were calling him out not me.
The subject was Churchill not Roosevelt.
Going further on this tangent, I think bombing civilians is counted as a war crime. At least it is when Assad does it.
You and Grendel say it was justified against Germany because of German war crimes including bombing civilians.
You are enraged because the ISIS bride says that the Manchester bombing of innocents was justified because of coalition bombing of innocents in Syria.
The hypocrisy is evident.
The Queen and ex RAF Bomber command fliers being present at the reconsecrating of the Frauenkirche was a late acknowledgment of what is considered by many people an unnecessary bombing of civilians including refugees.
It was well received in Germany, because, although you have something against Germans like many others in Brexit Britain, they are humans. Despite all badness done by the Nazis, we all live in a different time.
Awaits raging rant from Astute accusing me of sticking up for Germans. A bit like the Nazis would have reacted to someone saying Jews are humans too.
Shows where we are.
He won’t find me using those words. He made it up. As usual. We’ve had years of him making things up and twisting things.
It may also be that he has comprehension problems.
Astute
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Correct.
He said that the Germans who started a war to take over Europe then murdered and killed many, many millions would have found Churchill guilty of bombing civilians and found themselves innocent of all charges.
Then the usual suspects turn up to defend everything that he says.
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Maybe if I started taking LSD and Crack, this thread would start to make more sense.
Gerbils.
Gerbils.
Astute
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I said it was justified?
Would you like to point out where I have said that?
Of course not as I haven't. But it is a lie that looks good in a comment against someone who finds what you are saying very distasteful.
Astute
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Maybe if I did the same and always had a go at the UK and defended Germany you would agree with me like you do Mart.
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You do spouit some absolute bollocks.
Seriously, you seem an OK bloke, but on this thread you've gone utterly barking mad, playing the victim, reading things that aren't there, and deciding the world is against you.
Step away from the keyboard!
Astute
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On one post yes. But I suppose we can forget the rest.
On all posts. The rest is made up from you.
Grendel
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I assume you mean Geobbels
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I'm surprised we haven't got round to discussing the fact that Rees Mogg and McDonnell both own some Black Russian Gerbils, so are clearly in the pay of Putin.
Brighton Sky Blue
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...because the Nazis obviously wouldn’t prosecute themselves. In fact if they’d won then the death camps would have been a state secret (like the Katyn massacre and Molotov-Ribbentrop pact were for the Soviets). The victors get to write history.
If the Nazis win their propaganda goes unchallenged and Hitler would clearly have gone after Churchill and Stalin. It was either him or Goebbels who called him the ‘gravedigger of Europe’. I fail to see how this makes martcov a Nazi sympathiser, genuinely.
Me too. I just answered a question with a historical fact that I know from history lessons. For what it is worth, I did A Level in modern history.
That makes me a super Nazi following Astute‘s crazed logic.
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Project Dragon Chasing.
Grendel
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You openly condemned Allied Forces military action and compared Churchill to Asaad
What have I said that is distasteful?
Grendel
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This thread clearly suggests otherwise
Where? I said that bombing civilians is counted as a war crime today.as in Syria. Is that distasteful? You seem to think that bombing civilians is ok, and that RMs justification for concentration camps is ok. And then accuse me of being a Nazi.