tisza
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Actually atm probably not the answer. a minority govt being held to ransom by a small party has not gone well.
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Tend to agree. I'd take the upper chamber being elected by PR, mind you.
Anyway, all the votes rather close atm. Scary to think such a big subject can be decided by who happens to die at any time during this.
tisza
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It makes no sense in a "modern democracy" to have a wholly unelected 2nd chamber. Only one apart from Canada I think.
However I would only have a fixed % of the Lords elected in as much as it shouldn't become a rubber stamp for the Govt of the day,
I'd retain a % of crossbenchers to provide a balance. Always loathe to throw away experience because people are deemed too old.
Also completely wrong that Govt ministers can be appointed from the Lords as aren't then answerable to MPs
skybluetony176
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You’re going to have to quantify that for me because pointing out that the leave campaign repeatedly campaigned on the premise that the EU is a protectionist organisation and that’s why we must leave and then when we vote to leave what was said in the campaign is forgotten so they can play the victim is hardly tying anything in knots. Is a accurate and factual observation.
SkyBlueDom26
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TBH if an actual leave MP was put in charge, they would of probably done a better job in getting us a better deal to leave
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skybluetony176
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They didn’t want it. Much better to let someone else deliver the reality of leave not the fantasy then claim that they could have done better after the event. Which of course they couldn’t.
fernandopartridge
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I agree with you on this 100%
SkyBlueDom26
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If someone actually was in charge that wanted brexit, im sure they would of just got on with in during the last 2 years instead of pissing about and getting us a shit deal
Right now we would probably have a good deal and would of left however due to the direction in which TM has negotiated the deal, its given the remoaners a platform to moan and whinge about
skybluetony176
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Brexit has overtaken politics for three years now at the expense of neglecting everything else. I think you’re quite naive to suggest that they should have got on with it when it’s all politics has been about for three years.
Teresa May set out the red lines the leavers wanted within her party (well, it depends on what way the wind is blowing for Boris) it’s leavers that set the agenda and that’s why they all stepped aside and let her walk into the enigma that is a leavers Brexit. I now refer you back to my previous post.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Ask yourself why they all resigned and ran a mile in the other direction
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David Davis was so appallingly under-prepared, it ended up May doing all the negotiating.
He had his chance to stamp his mark on it, but ended up just holding it all up by being incapable and inept.
SkyBlueDom26
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Because they knew they didn't have a chance of getting in ahead of stubborn TM
Sick Boy
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Like who?
Brighton Sky Blue
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They were put in charge of the Brexit department and ran away when the negotiations went south. The easiest negotiation in history they said. And you still trust them like the idiot you are
Brighton Sky Blue
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Easiest negotiation in history-deciding to give David Davis no severance pay
skybluetony176
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Yeah, that must be it.
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westcountry_skyblue
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And Labour have all the answers? I know Tories are bad but give me strength with their front bench.....
Brighton Sky Blue
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Where did I say Labour had the answers?
SIR ERNIE
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You trust Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry with running the country. That automatically disqualifies you from calling anyone an idiot.
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westcountry_skyblue
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Id put my mortgage on you being under 40 and don't remember the 70's with labour in power and Corbyns support for the Ira in the 80's you have a lot to learn
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westcountry_skyblue
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What are your views on those Paras firing at the traitor? People never forget his skeletons will prevent him becoming PM however bad the tories are!
Brighton Sky Blue
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Fair enough only one of the best manifestos in decades but yes let's keep voting for cuts nobody wants because Jerry's a trot
Brighton Sky Blue
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Be honest, you'd be fine with them assassinating him right
Brighton Sky Blue
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Britain in the 70s was the result of decades of failure to innovate and move on from awkward pretensions to world power. Do you remember what it was like before there was a health service? Free education for all? No, but since being alive before then is a qualifier to having any say I guess you can't criticise.
3 Corbyn policies you disagree with and why
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Fucking hell, you're a strange and disturbed person.
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westcountry_skyblue
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Im just thinking what most decent people think
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westcountry_skyblue
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I only need one and that's socialism
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SBAndy
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Says the fucking moron who claimed to support the UDA because they were on the ‘right side’ of terrorist atrocities in Northern Ireland. How decent of you.
Brighton Sky Blue
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'Yeah well YOU support people with BRAINS so you can't call anyone a MORON'
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Mentalist
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westcountry_skyblue
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Ok where did I say that about the UDA I’ve never mentioned them get your facts correct before you say anything FAKE NEWS move on nothing to see here....
Brighton Sky Blue
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You said something like 'they were on the right side' and 'what's wrong with being a British loyalist'. Do you want 'traitor' Corbyn shot?