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skybluetony176
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Crucially many of those promoting Brexit want to either privatise the NHS or make it payable at source. Some of who are vying to be the next Tory leader and PM. Haven’t seen any of them saying hands of yet.
skybluetony176
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We send £350 million to the EU a week. Let’s sell the NHS off to America instead.
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Grendel
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Which makes Corbyn a liar of course and an utterly embarrassing egotist
Hopefully this will cause a few people to start to wake up to reality. Unfortunately a lot of effort has been put into priming the U.K. for this so who knows.
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Grendel
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What do you mean by selling the NHS to the states?
Grendel
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There is not one elected Mp who has ever advocated privatising the NHS
Sick Boy
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It’s too late and the UK has become so Americanised anyway. Perhaps Orwell was onto something
Grendel
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It’s too late and the UK has become so Americanised anyway. Perhaps Orwell was onto something
God it’s the 6th form debating society again.
Sick Boy
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It’s a step above the Primary school one with the constant mentions of Corbyn to throw everything off track.
I’m not sure you’re one to talk when you see everything through the lens of your hatred for Corbyn and Labour.
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Grendel
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How’s that throwing everyone off track? Perhaps you’d like to explain how the nhs will be privatised?
Grendel
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The only PM whose endorsed any form of privatisation is of course the EU friend - the blood stained Blair creature
Grendel
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Just a factually accurate statement vs 6th form hysteria
skybluetony176
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Key Tory MPs backed call to dismantle NHS
New health secretary received £32,000 in donations from chair of think tank that wants NHS 'abolished'
New Tory health chief voted to speed up privatisation of the NHS
Jeremy Hunt co-authored book calling for NHS to be replaced with private insurance
Our NHS isn’t safe in Tory hands — Scottish National Party
I could carry on and on looking for brexit backing candidates for the Tory leadership referencing either privatising the NHS or making it payable at source and it would be an endless list.
Grendel
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That’s all hyperbolic shite and again no more privatising the NHS (which is really a suggestion we are going to an insurance based system) than of course the strategy deployed by the blood stained Blair Creature
Are you chair if the debating society Tony? I bet you are a master of it.
Sick Boy
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Why do you think they are so desperate to get their hands on it? The USA will take full advantage of the UK’s vulnerability and it’ll be hugely in their favour.
Grendel
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What do you mean by getting their hands on it?
fernandopartridge
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You're wrong G. Cameron brought in the Procurement, Patient Choice and Competition regulations 2013, they were the first ones that enforced competition and advertising domestically contracts for NHS services. These were partly superseded by the Public Contracts Regulations 2015 (derived from EU directive but no health opt out sought by UK gov) which enforce EU wide competition.
Blair used the PFI model extensively but this was of course a Tory design. The Daily Mail and Tories would not have supported the massive capital spending needed by the 90s to rebuild crumbling schools and hospitals. I'm no fan of PFI but can see the political reasons for it if not the economic.
skybluetony176
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I thought it might be. Debating society? Oh, you mean anyone who doesn’t agree with your nonsensical factless ramblings of a mad man.
Grendel
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You’ve linked a series of hypothesis none of which have remote evidential fact
Grendel
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But why? Do you think people will be ok with it because Blair did a bit?
You’re the one accusing everyone of being a 6th former while going back to tribalism again and again.
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fernandopartridge
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TBF that was to deal with waiting lists rather than a specific desire to privatise the NHS, arguably using private companies for good rather than just outsourcing services to them wholesale. Not that I disagree with your broad view of Blair necessarily.
Grendel
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No I want a definition of what “privatising the NHS” is. Privatisation is the removal of public funding is it not?
skybluetony176
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One of the links quotes a book that Jeremy Hunt co authored with Gove.
Grendel
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What did Hunt respond to have accusations?
skybluetony176
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Of course Mr Gove also advocated privatising parts of education. Secret memo shows Michael Gove's plan for privatisation of academies Can you imagine the US flat earth society, climate change denying, creationist denying education system coming to a school near you?
Grendel
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I think the proposal was an excellent idea
fernandopartridge
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No. It is removing the control of entities performing public services from the public sector to the private sector.
Grendel
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I don’t think though that’s what the hysteria straplines are trying to create
skybluetony176
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As usual Frankie Boyle has a good take on it Jeremy Hunt doesn’t understand junior doctors. He co-wrote a book on how to dismantle the NHS | Frankie Boyle