The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (109 Viewers)

[martcov]

No idea why I mentioned Germany?


So are you saying that you didn't say only France and England have form for invading or attacking other countries or didn't Germany ever invade or attack other countries?

Same as usual. You try to make the EU and Germany not guilty of anything but like to blame the UK for as much as you can.

I am talking about the EU, not last century pre Treaty of Rome.

 

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[martcov]

Did you? Show me the bit I missed out then. Because I can't find it.

I was talking about the EU. That is what the thread is about. It’s at the top of the page. The subject was the EU army and I said war would be less likely as Germany doesn’t do war.

This is relevant to an EU army, not 20 century history. Present Day facts.

 

[martcov]

Did you? Show me the bit I missed out then. Because I can't find it.

Look at the top of the thread. EU. Remember what we are talking about: EU army.

 

[martcov]

Hahah. Did the dirty old man forget his beloved Germany were past masters at invasion? His mind is on other things perhaps.

Thick c**t. Troll off you dumbfuck.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Thick c**t. Troll off you dumbfuck.

What's all this about good looking blokes as well as good looking girls ? You are a dirty dog, as my mum would say.

 

[martcov]

What's all this about good looking blokes as well as good looking girls ? You are a dirty dog, as my mum would say.

You are a sick c**t as I would say. Now troll off you wanker.

 

[skybluetony176]

What's all this about good looking blokes as well as good looking girls ? You are a dirty dog, as my mum would say.

Your life must be empty without Mart. Putting him on permanent block lasted all of 2 days. Have you ever thought about a hobby that gets you out the house?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I was talking about the EU. That is what the thread is about. It’s at the top of the page. The subject was the EU army and I said war would be less likely as Germany doesn’t do war.
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HAHAHAHA. Absolutely the best statement of fact ever. You get a like for that .

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Your life must be empty without Mart. Putting him on permanent block lasted all of 2 days. Have you ever thought about a hobby that gets you out the house?

Have you ?

 

[skybluetony176]

Have you ?

Have I what? Taken someone of block 2 days after telling everyone I was putting them on permanent block because I’m lonely? No never.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Have I what? Taken someone of block 2 days after telling everyone I was putting them on permanent block because I’m lonely? No never.

That's great.

 

[martcov]

HAHAHAHA. Absolutely the best statement of fact ever. You get a like for that .

It is a statement of fact. It is written into their constitution. Germany cannot enter a war without changing it’s constitution, except when attacked. But, you are thick and ignorant so you wouldn’t be aware of that.

Whilst you were trolling on here, I met the Irish President, had a chat with Coveney, the deputy PM, had a few drinks with the lads, met a nice woman at the bar and spent the night with her.

What did you do? Write stupid troll posts mocking someone you don’t even know for entertainment.

Well, I know what I would rather be doing for entertainment. It wouldn’t be stupid posts that you call „good old fashioned piss taking“, which are not even funny. No wit. No witty comebacks. Just a sad, lonely and ignorant troll. Wanker.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

It is a statement of fact. It is written into their constitution. Germany cannot enter a war without changing it’s constitution, except when attacked. But, you are thick and ignorant so you wouldn’t be aware of that.

Whilst you were trolling on here, I met the Irish President, had a chat with Coveney, the deputy PM, had a few drinks with the lads, met a nice woman at the bar and spent the night with her.

What did you do? Write stupid troll posts mocking someone you don’t even know for entertainment.

Well, I know what I would rather be doing for entertainment. It wouldn’t be stupid posts that you call „good old fashioned piss taking“, which are not even funny. No wit. No witty comebacks. Just a sad, lonely and ignorant troll. Wanker.

You do realise that you're just setting yourself up for laughs. I mean, have you read this back ?

 

[martcov]

You do realise that you're just setting yourself up for laughs. I mean, have you read this back ?

One thing you don’t get is laughs. Even your part time supporters have gone quiet. You’re a no-one trying to mob someone on an Internet forum.

You’re pathetic.

Trolling for entertainment.

Sad.

 

[martcov]

We will be calling the shots when we leave:

US says Brexit trade talks with Liam Fox cancelled amid mounting fury over leaked Trump memos

 

[Grendel]

Yep it is a farce

So you prefer a presidential system?

 

[Grendel]

We will be calling the shots when we leave:

US says Brexit trade talks with Liam Fox cancelled amid mounting fury over leaked Trump memos

Trump just wants his mate Boris in charge

 

[martcov]

Trump just wants his mate Boris in charge

And Farage as ambassador.. a walk over. MAGA.

 

[Grendel]

You do realise that you're just setting yourself up for laughs. I mean, have you read this back ?

They weren’t allowed to last time they invaded most of Europe - oddly they just ignored the treaty preventing them and just did - his argument is idiotic as wars often start through an illegal aggressive act

 

[martcov]

They weren’t allowed to last time they invaded most of Europe - oddly they just ignored the treaty preventing them and just did - his argument is idiotic as wars often start through an illegal aggressive act

Not when they need the agreement of 26 other EU countries and there is an EU army, which is what we are talking about. Plus Germany is an established stable democracy and not occupied by neighbouring countries or paying back reparations imposed by a penal treaty after the armistice.

Being part of an EU makes it harder for an individual country to go to war.

Anything is theoretically possible, I’ll give you that, but Germany is extremely unlikely to change the constitution as it needs a two thirds majority. In an EU army, they would be even more constrained.

The UK and France have been involved in attacking other countries, whereas, until now the Germans have held to their constitution.

 

[skybluetony176]

Trump just wants his mate Boris in charge

Didn’t Boris once describe Trump as “clearly out of his mind” and someone who demonstrates “quite stupefying ignorance”? Just shows Boris will change his mind on anything to get into No 10.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

One thing you don’t get is laughs. Even your part time supporters have gone quiet. You’re a no-one trying to mob someone on an Internet forum.
You’re pathetic.
Trolling for entertainment.
Sad.

But I don't just make things up to tell the world what a great life I have. You, on the other hand , are the best in the business.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Not when they need the agreement of 26 other EU countries and there is an EU army, which is what we are talking about. Plus Germany is an established stable democracy and not occupied by neighbouring countries.

We are going to go to war.
No you're not.
Oh alright then .

 

[Astute]

Backtracking after repeatedly claiming this “Because if there was an EU army we wouldn't have any choice on going to war”. Note the quote marks, that means I’m quoting you directly. That’s your words, not one word has been changed by me. You’ll still accuse me of twisting no doubt.

No. I accuse you of acting like a complete idiot.

You have never answered one question on the subject yet constantly come out with false comments and lies.

How about the list I put on here of what could or would happen if there was an EU army. But of course it is to do with the EU so nothing can be wrong.

You have come a long way on here. Coming out with propaganda for Farage and UKIP whilst making racist comments all the way to coming out with EU propaganda. Well done

 

[Astute]

I am talking about the EU, not last century pre Treaty of Rome.

So name a list of where the UK and France have invaded yet Germany hasn't.

You said nothing other than only France and the UK has attacked and invaded other countries. Full stop.

So if you want to go down this line.....

Germany and France are getting very close. Agree?

Macron wants yet another German at the top of the EU. Agree?

She is happy for the UK to leave the EU because we keep making it difficult for this EU army to get off the ground. Agree?

If we leave the EU there will only be two countries in the EU that attack and invade other countries. Agree?

 

[Astute]

I was talking about the EU. That is what the thread is about. It’s at the top of the page. The subject was the EU army and I said war would be less likely as Germany doesn’t do war.

This is relevant to an EU army, not 20 century history. Present Day facts.

Germany doesn't do war?

My mother was born the year after the last big war they started. You would have been born just after it. I was born just 23 years after it and I am 51. Yet they don't do war........

Who started the last world war?

Who started the world war before it?

I can't believe how low you have gone this time. And that is saying something .

 

[Astute]

Not when they need the agreement of 26 other EU countries and there is an EU army, which is what we are talking about. Plus Germany is an established stable democracy and not occupied by neighbouring countries or paying back reparations imposed by a penal treaty after the armistice.

Being part of an EU makes it harder for an individual country to go to war.

Anything is theoretically possible, I’ll give you that, but Germany is extremely unlikely to change the constitution as it needs a two thirds majority. In an EU army, they would be even more constrained.

The UK and France have been involved in attacking other countries, whereas, until now the Germans have held to their constitution.

So how about answering my list of how it would go for once.

You also need to make your mind up.

If there was an EU army would we have our own armed forces? If yes then Iraq could still happen.

If no......

So what would happen if we got attacked by another country? What would happen if something similar to the Falklands happened? Would the EU army sort it out?

If no then we would be in a weaker position. If yes.....

So there are 28 countries in the EU army. All 28 countries need their territories defending. Would we go into action to defend all 28?

To me these are a few questions that would need answering. As of yet there are no correct or incorrect answers. But an army that looks after 28 countries is a lot more complex than one that looks after one. There are a lot of mad people on this earth. Look at North Korea for example. Instead of making war less of a chance it could multiply the chances.

And no. We don't have the answers. Yes. I care about my future generations. Yes I am right to be worried.

So answer which way it would go.

 

[martcov]

So how about answering my list of how it would go for once.

So answer which way it would go.

I don’t know if all troops would be merged.

Germany doesn’t have colonies or dependencies to protect. The UK has the Commonwealth ( is a member of )and Crown Dependencies where it may have reasons to intervene. Maybe there would have to be a separate extra force for the UK, but not for Germany or other countries, e.g. Estonia. No one knows.

Iraq would be less likely even if the UK kept some force for protecting it’s dependencies because it couldn’t get involved in such an adventure without the USA, or cooperation, or maybe permission, from the other EU countries as it would risk involvement for them.

I can’t see the EU as a whole wanting to get involved with adventure wars.

We don’t know what an EU army would look like as there are no imminent plans.

IMO it wouldn’t be a bad thing if the mandate was designed to prevent adventures like Iraq.

 

[martcov]

Germany doesn't do war?

My mother was born the year after the last big war they started. You would have been born just after it. I was born just 23 years after it and I am 51. Yet they don't do war........

Who started the last world war?

Who started the world war before it?

I can't believe how low you have gone this time. And that is saying something .

How low? It just a fact. Germany has a constitution banning it going into war. It would need a two thirds majority to change that and nobody is even thinking of that.

I think you are referring to past wars where they didn’t have a constitution ruling out wars and were ruled by a Kaiser or a right wing nationalist dictator. I am referring to the present as we are talking about an EU army. Germany wants to be part of an EU army to prevent more European wars.

There are no immediate plans for an EU army that go further than logistical cooperation and joint peacekeeping missions.

 

[martcov]

So name a list of where the UK and France have invaded yet Germany hasn't.

You said nothing other than only France and the UK has attacked and invaded other countries. Full stop.

So if you want to go down this line.....

Germany and France are getting very close. Agree?

Macron wants yet another German at the top of the EU. Agree?

She is happy for the UK to leave the EU because we keep making it difficult for this EU army to get off the ground. Agree?

If we leave the EU there will only be two countries in the EU that attack and invade other countries. Agree?

It is easier for you to list where Germany has invaded since the grounding of the common market or the ratification of the German constitution.

Britain and France have been involved in bombing and/ or invading other countries since the war. Germany hasn’t.

Yet another German? There hasn’t been a German President of the EU commission for over 50 years. The nationality of the person is less relevant than the political grouping who vote her in.

She is not happy that the UK is leaving. No one is. Including over half the UK. Where do you get your information?

If we leave, there will only be one major country that bombs and attacks other countries in the EU as Germany is bound not to by it’s constitution. Which will increase the chances of an EU army.

 

[martcov]

But I don't just make things up to tell the world what a great life I have. You, on the other hand , are the best in the business.

I am not making things up. I don’t have to. I am not claiming to have a great life. I am claiming to have a better life than a sad internet troll who stalks and trolls someone he doesn’t even know on the internet.

I don’t know why you don’t try and improve your social life instead of trolling from your keyboard. Must be problems there.

 

[skybluetony176]

No. I accuse you of acting like a complete idiot.

You have never answered one question on the subject yet constantly come out with false comments and lies.

How about the list I put on here of what could or would happen if there was an EU army. But of course it is to do with the EU so nothing can be wrong.

You have come a long way on here. Coming out with propaganda for Farage and UKIP whilst making racist comments all the way to coming out with EU propaganda. Well done

I quoted you directly. If it’s false comments and lies then you should really stop saying them.

 

[skybluetony176]

Germany doesn't do war?

My mother was born the year after the last big war they started. You would have been born just after it. I was born just 23 years after it and I am 51. Yet they don't do war........

Who started the last world war?

Who started the world war before it?

I can't believe how low you have gone this time. And that is saying something .

He’s clearly talking about modern Germany not Nazi germany. It’s got to be an act, you can’t be that stupid that you can’t see the distinction in real life.

 

[martcov]

He’s clearly talking about modern Germany not Nazi germany. It’s got to be an act, you can’t be that stupid that you can’t see the distinction in real life.

That is the problem. People talk as the hear things. Mark Francois, Farage and co talk about the war ( and films like Dunkirk ) and Brexiters talk as if Germany is still a Nazi dictatorship ( 4. Reich ). It comes to a point where some people still think Germany is in 1945 and want the the UK to be like 1955 by leaving the EU. A lot has happened since 1945. the World is different now.

Germany was surrounded by borders to competing nation states. It had 9 borders when I came here. 8 now, but 7 are now EU countries, and 1 EEA and in Schengen.

The risk of a German led or retaliatory war in Europe is almost nil. A fantastic achievement.

But still some do not want to understand reality.

 

[skybluetony176]

That is the problem. People talk as the hear things. Mark Francois, Farage and co talk about the war ( and films like Dunkirk ) and Brexiters talk as if Germany is still a Nazi dictatorship ( 4. Reich ). It comes to a point where some people still think Germany is in 1945 and want the the UK to be like 1955 by leaving the EU. A lot has happened since 1945. the World is different now.

Germany was surrounded by borders to competing nation states. It had 9 borders when I came here. 8 now, but 7 are now EU countries, and 1 EEA and in Schengen.

The risk of a German led or retaliatory war in Europe is almost nil. A fantastic achievement.

But still some do not want to understand reality.

That’s the real funny thing. People that tend to be from the side that use words like Dunkirk spirit, what would Churchill do etc are much nearer to the politics of someone like Oswald Mosley than Churchill.