The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (16 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

So poverty is worse, unemployment worse, average wage worse, national debt worse but as you like it that’s it

The quality of life is far superior I’ve yet to come across any food banks in my time here. I had a job created for me and my partner found a job within 2 months, the picture you’re trying to portray is not entirely accurate and you have little idea of how the country works.

I’d much rather live in a UNESCO than some depressing city in the UK, thanks.

 

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[Sick Boy]

Italy ranks below Poland it’s ahead of Belarus though

Quality of Life Index by Country 2019 Mid-Year

I’d rather judge for myself thanks and would much rather live here. I enjoy a much better quality of life.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Italy ranks below Poland it’s ahead of Belarus though

Quality of Life Index by Country 2019 Mid-Year

That list has numerous countries ahead of the UK who in terms of pure economic stats are much worse.

 

[Grendel]

I’d rather judge for myself thanks and would much rather live here. I enjoy a much better quality of life.

Which to be fair is the EU way. Ignore stats say all Southern Europeans who complain are lazy bastards and I’m all right Jack so screw the poor

 

[Grendel]

That list has numerous countries ahead of the UK who in terms of pure economic stats are much worse.

Which is why I included it as even with “other” factors it’s streets ahead of some of our so called better EU neighbours

 

[Sick Boy]

Which to be fair is the EU way. Ignore stats say all Southern Europeans who complain are lazy bastards and I’m all right Jack so screw the poor

Hahahaha brilliant. You have little knowledge of how Italy works and the problems that plague the south of the country and that hold it back.

 

[Grendel]

Hahahaha brilliant. You have little knowledge of how Italy works and the problems that plague the south of the country and that hold it back.

As ever you try and bring up the south as if it’s separate - so in the UK I guess we can miss out poverty areas of the north

Also given the population density of the relative areas the bulk of the measurement is in the north

Italy is not unique and on every indicator it’s worse

Why do you link any stats at all? Surely after Brexit if I have no negative impact and say so that proves fron your logic of the anecdote that it was all a storm in s teacup?

 

[Sick Boy]

As ever you try and bring up the south as if it’s separate - so in the UK I guess we can miss out poverty areas of the north

Also given the population density of the relative areas the bulk of the measurement is in the north

Italy is not unique and on every indicator it’s worse

Why do you link any stats at all? Surely after Brexit if I have no negative impact and say so that proves fron your logic of the anecdote that it was all a storm in s teacup?

Unemployment in the north is around 7% and the south is triple that, and in some places four times that.

The north and the south are worlds apart in terms of infrastructure, much, much more so than the south and north in England.

Again, you’ve just shown yourself up as having little understanding of the country.

 

[skybluetony176]

I’d much rather live in Italy than the UK. Yet I’m not as obsessed with money and consumerism as you clearly are. The quality of life overall is much higher. If you want to delude yourself then go ahead

That’s the problem. Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

 

[Grendel]

Unemployment in the north is around 7% and the south is triple that, and in some places four times that. The north and the south are worlds apart in terms of infrastructure, much, much more so than the south and north in England.

Again, you’ve just shown yourself up as having little understanding of the country.

Well I haven’t because 7% is double the UK average and in the lowest areas it’s below 2% and the highest around 6% - so a triple spread the same as Italy. Also care to share the population density on these areas and actual unemployment numbers

 

[Grendel]

That’s the problem. Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Including the Italians on lifestyle measurements it seems

 

[Sick Boy]

Well I haven’t because 7% is double the UK average and in the lowest areas it’s below 2% and the highest around 6% - so a triple spread the same as Italy. Also care to share the population density on these areas and actual unemployment numbers

There’s no zero hours contracts here to massage the figures.

I’m not denying Italy has problems but it’s problems are internally created and cannot be blamed solely on the EU.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Compared to the UK, yes it does.

We don’t go for budget lines either and its much cheaper.

Not because it has to be transported here in the first place though? That bumps the cost up & even though they freeze some of it, it's not fresh like it is on the continent

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[Sick Boy]

Not because it has to be transported here in the first place though? That bumps the cost up & even though they freeze some of it, it's not fresh like it is on the continent

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Yeah that is true, here it’s crazy though and more or less everything is made in Italy, not just food.

Food is also much more seasonal and people eat seasonally and based upon local produce.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Which to be fair is the EU way. Ignore stats say all Southern Europeans who complain are lazy bastards and I’m all right Jack so screw the poor

...just bleat on about how terrible & unjust it is but let somebody else deal with it

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[SkyblueBazza]

That’s the problem. Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

What like you with your exchange rate predictions?

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[Sick Boy]

Including the Italians on lifestyle measurements it seems

Flying back to Verona tomorrow from Sardinia and then going to Lake Garda to cool off from the heat.

I know it’s not the Isle of Man and Rutland Water but you have to make do sometimes.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Yeah that is true, here it’s crazy though and more or less everything is made in Italy, not just food.

Food is also much more seasonal and people eat seasonally and based upon local produce.

So they reject the EU principles on trade across borders by just buying Italian? If we did that we would probably be berated as protectionist, nationalist or even racist.

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[Sick Boy]

So they reject the EU principles on trade across borders by just buying Italian? If we did that we would probably be berated as protectionist, nationalist or even racist.

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Are you pissed?

 

[Grendel]

There’s no zero hours contracts here to massage the figures.

I’m not denying Italy has problems but it’s problems are internally created and cannot be blamed solely on the EU.

Has the 2003 legislation introducing zero hour contracts in Italy been removed then? When was this?

 

[Sick Boy]

Has the 2003 legislation introducing zero hour contracts in Italy been removed then? When was this?

They are not counted as people being in employment here as far as I’m aware. They’re also nowhere near as widespread as the UK and have more conditions attached to them and obligations for the employer. A few months ago they were talking about trying to get rid of them completely.

 

[Grendel]

They are not counted as people being in employment here as far as I’m aware. They’re also nowhere near as widespread as the UK and have more conditions attached to them and obligations for the employer. A few months ago they were talking about trying to get rid of them completely.

Given your handle on stats I think we will take that with a huge ocean of salt

 

[Sick Boy]

Given your handle on stats I think we will take that with a huge ocean of salt

Doesn’t really bother me. Fixed term contracts are much more common here, which are far from ideal either.

 

[Grendel]

Doesn’t really bother me. Fixed term contracts are much more common here, which are far from ideal either.

Oops

Italian unemployment down but short-term contracts on the rise

 

[Grendel]

Look at those youth unemployment figures!

 

[Sick Boy]

Oops

Italian unemployment down but short-term contracts on the rise

Yeah it’s what I said, they use fixed term contracts.

Still, I’d rather be going to Lake Garda tomorrow afternoon than walking along Bedworth canal.

 

[Sick Boy]

Look at those youth unemployment figures!

Yeah I know, reform is needed and a serious fight taken against organised crime. You’re so swiveled eyed that you try and turn it into an anti EU point.

 

[Grendel]

Yeah it’s what I said, they use fixed term contracts.

Still, I’d rather be going to Lake Garda tomorrow afternoon than walking along Bedworth canal.

Awesome comeback - I think most Italians can’t afford to go out of their own street by these figures

 

[Grendel]

Yeah I know, reform is needed and a serious fight taken against organised crime. You’re so swiveled eyed that you try and turn it into an anti EU point.

Ha ha it’s you that said it’s a great place to live. There is not one stat to support you - if it was Bazza or astute talking like you are about the UK you’d be taking them apart!

 

[skybluetony176]

What like you with your exchange rate predictions?

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Ah well, you see that’s the point. That €60 means an extra visit to the water park on holiday. It’s not the monetary value I’m counting it’s the quality time and memories with family that I’m really counting. I’m not some flash git with loads of money, what that €60 buys is what’s valuable and it’s a simple happy memory.

 

[Sick Boy]

Awesome comeback - I think most Italians can’t afford to go out of their own street by these figures

It goes to show how much you know about Italy then. As I said, you have little awareness of how the country actually operates.

It’s strange how all of these people who can’t afford to leave their street drive round in brand new, expensive cars.

 

[Sick Boy]

Ha ha it’s you that said it’s a great place to live. There is not one stat to support you - if it was Bazza or astute talking like you are about the UK you’d be taking them apart!

It is a great place to live, much better than the UK. I definitely wouldn’t swap it.

 

[Grendel]

It goes to show how much you know about Italy then. As I said, you have little awareness of how the country actually operates.

Nor does its own population it seems as they are the most dissatisfied in Europe

 

[Sick Boy]

Nor does its own population it seems as they are the most dissatisfied in Europe

...and they still seem to enjoy the finer things in life more than those in the UK.

 

[Grendel]

...and they still seem to enjoy the finer things in life more than those in the UK.

They don’t - you just make it up