The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (123 Viewers)

[SkyblueBazza]

No surprise. I’ll dumb it down for you. The growth of our economy over the last couple of decades has been significantly because of immigration filling jobs that otherwise couldn’t be filled thus growing the economy. This has largely been taken up by EU immigration under freedom of movement and that demographic has been a nett contributor to the treasury ie they put in more than they take out. That demographic of immigration will need replacing when freedom of movement ends post brexit, unless of course you deliberately shrink the economy so the economy doesn’t rely on an immigrant workforce as it currently does.

Actually, it's no surprise that you make a garbled statement & cannot explain it either!

You still aren't explaining how you can keep the economy "going and growing" by deliberately shrinking it.

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[martcov]

Actually, it's no surprise that you make a garbled statement & cannot explain it either!

You still aren't explaining how you can keep the economy "going and growing" by deliberately shrinking it.

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That’s BoJo‘s promise. He should explain that before closing parliament down to carry out this madness.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Every year. We have a party for friends and family, the kids love it. You? I’m guessing you’ll be sitting at home on your own feeling lonely as usual.

Abit far

 

[Grendel]

Every year. We have a party for friends and family, the kids love it. You? I’m guessing you’ll be sitting at home on your own feeling lonely as usual.

Oh I thought your house would be full of all the Euros you’ve bought for your next jaunt to Benidorm

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

The government curbs immigration, job vacancies don’t get filled as there’s a shortage of immigration to fill those positions, that forces productivity down, that forces a shrinkage of the economy. It’s basic maths. No government is going to stand on a menifesto of deliberately shrinking the economy whether the PM/party leader stood on a manifesto of taking back control in a referendum, in a party leadership campaign or indeed a general election whether they’ve been ranting about taking back control for the last 4 years or not. In other words nothing is going to change in terms of immigration numbers for the simple point that the economy demands immigration. Unless you deliberately shrink it by blocking immigration. The only thing that’s going to change is the demographic of immigration and as the chart shows brexit is going to cause smaller numbers of the demographic that contributes to the treasury and that is going to be replaced by the demographic that tends to cost the treasury.

We spend £360M a week on EU membership, let’s spend it funding a different demographic of immigration that costs the treasury money to keep the economy going post brexit instead. They should have put that on the side of a bus.

How many of those EU positions are skilled and how many are to ensure our supermarkets are filled with strawberries ?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

hahaha...classic.

I wasn't having a go at anyone. I have family who moved over to the south of France from Ireland after buying up cheap properties over then doing them up and reselling them. I've spent a lot of time over, especially in the Dordogne, and the notion that it is only the generous Brits and their precious £s keeping parts of France afloat is incredibly blinkered and insulting to the French.

Actually Astute is correct to a large extent regarding property in areas in northern France , unless of course he was talking about the Dordogne specifically, in which case I apologise. I didn't read him saying it's the Brits keeping anywhere afloat.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Believe it or not but the sun and the world does not revolve around the UK.

And you're saying that because..?

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[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Every year. We have a party for friends and family, the kids love it. You? I’m guessing you’ll be sitting at home on your own feeling lonely as usual.

How martcovesque is that ?

 

[djr8369]

How many of those EU positions are skilled and how many are to ensure our supermarkets are filled with strawberries ?

Why do immigrant jobs need to be skilled? Who else do you think is going to pick the fruit?


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[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Why do immigrant jobs need to be skilled? Who else do you think is going to pick the fruit?
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How did we used to cope ? Do we need strawberries 365 days a year ? It seems so though of course we never used to. How we coped without that I just don't know. Perhaps those migrant workers live on them 365.

 

[Astute]

I’ve given you a proper reply. My point is you can’t have it both ways. You’ve 100% made the same point. You’ve agreed with me without even realising it. Well done.

Exactly. But you want it the way the discussion goes. Like just now. You say that we will have to do something about people not being able to come here to work so will have a lack of people joining the workforce so we won't have enough workers yet keep going on about people losing jobs because of Brexit.

 

[Astute]

Actually Astute is correct to a large extent regarding property in areas in northern France , unless of course he was talking about the Dordogne specifically, in which case I apologise. I didn't read him saying it's the Brits keeping anywhere afloat.

Financially several areas in the North of France depend on us for money. But with housing it is all over. The district my wife and kids have moved to is 6 hours plus away from these regions and is poor. That is why the housing is so cheap. And they still stay on the market for a very long time.

I didn't say what SB said I did. If I had he would have celebrated finding it by now. But priblems will be caused all over the EU.

Where Brexit will hurt most in Europe

France fears Brexit blow to farms

So as you can see it isn't just the 10 billion surplus that France has with the UK. It is then the price reductions in the rest of their markets from an over supply.

So SB.....can you remind me of who it is that wants a no deal? It isn't the UK and it isn't the vast majority of those who live in the EU. I will give you a clue. It is those who have refused to negotiate so far. Yes. Them same people you seem to love to defend.

 

[Ian1779]

How did we used to cope ? Do we need strawberries 365 days a year ? It seems so though of course we never used to. How we coped without that I just don't know. Perhaps those migrant workers live on them 365.

Brexit means Brexit mate. If I want British strawberries 365 days a year I expect them. No one’s gonna tell me I can’t have them, and anyone that does hates this country.

Rule Britannia!!

 

[Astute]

Why do immigrant jobs need to be skilled? Who else do you think is going to pick the fruit?


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Nothing to do with an over supply of unskilled against skilled?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So SB.....can you remind me of who it is that wants a no deal? It isn't the UK and it isn't the vast majority of those who live in the EU. I will give you a clue. It is those who have refused to negotiate so far. Yes. Them same people you seem to love to defend.

Call me naive but Boris and Nige seem pretty keen on it and the former seems bent on it based on his latest negotiation. Those in the Farage cult should be all on board with the idea.

Still there is time to admit this was one very awkward mistake

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Why do immigrant jobs need to be skilled? Who else do you think is going to pick the fruit?


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Maybe those on the receiving end of Bojo's law enforcement & reform policy, & our own homegrown unskilled workers will find it an attractive avenue to gain income legitimately when the pay reflects the demand?

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Maybe those on the receiving end of Bojo's law enforcement & reform policy, & our own homegrown unskilled workers will find it an attractive avenue to gain income legitimately when the pay reflects the demand?

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Well he and his ilk have no objection to the reliance on zero hour contracts so it’s hard to imagine him addressing pay at this end of the scale. Also his grand crime policy involves reinstating the lost police numbers since 2010-a bit like praising SISU should we ever go up a league.

Though it is funny you don’t question where the £ comes from for his ideas

 

[Sick Boy]

Financially several areas in the North of France depend on us for money. But with housing it is all over. The district my wife and kids have moved to is 6 hours plus away from these regions and is poor. That is why the housing is so cheap. And they still stay on the market for a very long time.

I didn't say what SB said I did. If I had he would have celebrated finding it by now. But priblems will be caused all over the EU.

Where Brexit will hurt most in Europe

France fears Brexit blow to farms

So as you can see it isn't just the 10 billion surplus that France has with the UK. It is then the price reductions in the rest of their markets from an over supply.

So SB.....can you remind me of who it is that wants a no deal? It isn't the UK and it isn't the vast majority of those who live in the EU. I will give you a clue. It is those who have refused to negotiate so far. Yes. Them same people you seem to love to defend.

Do you genuinely believe this crap? I honestly thought you’d be above and better than that.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Well he and his ilk have no objection to the reliance on zero hour contracts so it’s hard to imagine him addressing pay at this end of the scale. Also his grand crime policy involves reinstating the lost police numbers since 2010-a bit like praising SISU should we ever go up a league.

Though it is funny you don’t question where the £ comes from for his ideas

The employers that want the fruit picking have to address the pay...not the Prime Minister. If they can't get pickers at minimum wage - they have to pay more to make the job more attractive. Or we have to go without said fruit or import it

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

The employers that want the fruit picking have to address the pay...not the Prime Minister. If they can't get pickers at minimum wage - they have to pay more to make the job more attractive. Or we have to go without said fruit or import it

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The PM can set a new minimum wage. Maybe one that doesn’t result in welfare subsidies for low income earners.

 

[Sick Boy]

Call me naive but Boris and Nige seem pretty keen on it and the former seems bent on it based on his latest negotiation. Those in the Farage cult should be all on board with the idea.

Still there is time to admit this was one very awkward mistake

It’s hardly a surprise that the fault is now that of anyone else but the culprits of the whole thing. Also I thought Brexiteers were leading the negotiations from the UK’s side and they’ve yet to come up with an alternative solution for the Irish border.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Financially several areas in the North of France depend on us for money. But with housing it is all over. The district my wife and kids have moved to is 6 hours plus away from these regions and is poor. That is why the housing is so cheap. And they still stay on the market for a very long time.

I didn't say what SB said I did. If I had he would have celebrated finding it by now. But priblems will be caused all over the EU.

Where Brexit will hurt most in Europe

France fears Brexit blow to farms

So as you can see it isn't just the 10 billion surplus that France has with the UK. It is then the price reductions in the rest of their markets from an over supply.

So SB.....can you remind me of who it is that wants a no deal? It isn't the UK and it isn't the vast majority of those who live in the EU. I will give you a clue. It is those who have refused to negotiate so far. Yes. Them same people you seem to love to defend.

The eu27???? Sounds like they’ve negotiated and are waiting for the uk to come up with some new proposals. One things is for sure there is no way the eu will accept a no deal

 

[Sick Boy]

The eu27???? Sounds like they’ve negotiated and are waiting for the uk to come up with some new proposals. One things is for sure there is no way the eu will accept a no deal

In reality it is actually Johnson who is currently refusing to negotiate unless the backstop is removed, yet he has no alternative solution.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s hardly a surprise that the fault is now that of anyone else but the culprits of the whole thing. Also I thought Brexiteers were leading the negotiations from the UK’s side and they’ve yet to come up with an alternative solution for the Irish border.

Technology don’t you know

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s hardly a surprise that the fault is now that of anyone else but the culprits of the whole thing. Also I thought Brexiteers were leading the negotiations from the UK’s side and they’ve yet to come up with an alternative solution for the Irish border.

The Tories called this to appease the hardliners without any consideration of a Leave vote. They then spent 3 years fucking around the negotiations and are now on their 3rd PM since the vote. Somehow it will either be the EU or Labour to blame when it goes tits up

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

In reality it is actually Johnson who is currently refusing to negotiate unless the backstop is removed, yet he has no alternative solution.

Technology is the answer. I’m sure he has plan

 

[SkyblueBazza]

The PM can set a new minimum wage. Maybe one that doesn’t result in welfare subsidies for low income earners.

Yes the PM can with Parliamentary approval. Surely though, simple supply & demand should come into play. And yes I am all for no subsidies for low earners.

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[Astute]

Do you genuinely believe this crap? I honestly thought you’d be above and better than that.

Do I believe what?

You preach to us on how harder it will be for us to sell to the other EU countries if we leave without a deal. So the same must be the other way.

But it puts the other side across that you refuse to acknowledge. Or would you like to point out which of it isn't true?

 

[Astute]

The eu27???? Sounds like they’ve negotiated and are waiting for the uk to come up with some new proposals. One things is for sure there is no way the eu will accept a no deal

How could the EU not accept a no deal other than offering something better than they dictated to us already?

It is the EU that gave the take it or leave it ultimatum. But May couldn't push it through. Hardly anyone wanted it from either side in the UK. So something needs to change and quickly. Or no deal it is.

 

[djr8369]

Maybe those on the receiving end of Bojo's law enforcement & reform policy, & our own homegrown unskilled workers will find it an attractive avenue to gain income legitimately when the pay reflects the demand?

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The law enforcement stuff is a token gesture that won’t amount to much. It’s been widely debunked by those working in the sector.

But if we’re all willing to pay more for food then maybe our workers will be willing to pick the fruit. Mind you, higher food prices was just project fear though, wasn’t it?


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[djr8369]

How did we used to cope ? Do we need strawberries 365 days a year ? It seems so though of course we never used to. How we coped without that I just don't know. Perhaps those migrant workers live on them 365.

Various goods, particularly seasonal ones had a lower availability. Nobody is saying we can’t cope without seasonal fruit but of course you’re changing the goal posts.


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[djr8369]

Nothing to do with an over supply of unskilled against skilled?

Well the employment rate is pretty good, on paper at least, so no it doesn’t seem anything to do with that.


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[djr8369]

So SB.....can you remind me of who it is that wants a no deal? .

The Americans, their stooge Farage, the ERG and the current government. I suppose the Russians as it’s the most disruptive situation so suits their policy objectives.



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[djr8369]

The employers that want the fruit picking have to address the pay...not the Prime Minister. If they can't get pickers at minimum wage - they have to pay more to make the job more attractive. Or we have to go without said fruit or import it

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Development of fruit picking robots is moving quickly. This will mean you won’t have to hear Polish accents but it’s going to be very disruptive when automation hits jobs where British people work at scale.


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[djr8369]

Yes the PM can with Parliamentary approval. Surely though, simple supply & demand should come into play. And yes I am all for no subsidies for low earners.

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Supply and demand already does come into play it’s just across a larger market while in the EU.


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