The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (39 Viewers)

[Astute]

Yet more nonsense, I’ve never said France wouldn’t be impacted by Brexit.

I’d accept any sort of deal?

Yet more lies and bullshit.

I’ve said that the EEA would be a fair compromise.

So what deal wouldn't you be happy with?

Bullshit? Try answering the questions from me that are a reply to the diatribe you come out with.

 

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[djr8369]

As I have said ad-nausea there will be winners & losers. The winners are the ones that seek out opportunities & take advantage of the circumstance. That has always been the case. Brexit will simply concentrate the process.

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But you’re concentrating a process that normally evolves over years and decades to happen over night. A step change of that magnitude is crazy.


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[Astute]

What’s the technology then? You’re wasted on here, I’m surprised you haven’t been headhunted to solve Brexit.

Ah so no number plate recognition? Trusted importers? Bonded warehouses? Spot checks with import licenses lost for discrepancies?

Oh no there is nothing that can be done.

 

[Sick Boy]

So what deal wouldn't you be happy with?

Bullshit? Try answering the questions from me that are a reply to the diatribe you come out with.

You’ve claimed I’d be happy with any deal, which is utter bullshit and I hold a position that I believe would go someway to restoring the division within the country.

 

[Sick Boy]

Ah so no number plate recognition? Trusted importers? Bonded warehouses? Spot checks with import licenses lost for discrepancies?

Oh no there is nothing that can be done.

Technological solution to Irish border issue could be a decade away, says Home Office document

 

[djr8369]

Why can't the backstop be changed? The technology is there.

The reason for it not being removed is we would be tied to the EU until they say we could leave. That is what it was designed for.

What technology? Why haven’t any of the Brexiters suggested it? If it’s here then implement it as and when, that ends the backstop and there’s no issue?


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[Astute]

So what deal wouldn't you be happy with?

Bullshit? Try answering the questions from me that are a reply to the diatribe you come out with.

And on France. You tried to make out that it wouldn't be bad there. Then you called the links showing how bad it would be utter bullshit. You refused to say why the links were utter bullshit.

Yeah OK.

 

[Sick Boy]

I didn’t say the links were utter bullshit, I have no idea what links you’re even referring to.

 

[Astute]

What technology? Why haven’t any of the Brexiters suggested it? If it’s here then implement it as and when, that ends the backstop and there’s no issue?


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Could technology solve the Irish border problem?

Brussels draw plan for Irish border tech — but trashed Brexiteers' same idea

Brexit: Irish backstop alternative could work 'within three years' - CityAM

But of course you can listen to a pro EU expert who will say differently.

 

[Astute]

I didn’t say the links were utter bullshit, I have no idea what links you’re even referring to.

Wouldyou like me to quote the.posts?

 

[skybluetony176]

Could technology solve the Irish border problem?

Brussels draw plan for Irish border tech — but trashed Brexiteers' same idea

Brexit: Irish backstop alternative could work 'within three years' - CityAM

But of course you can listen to a pro EU expert who will say differently.

Boris says that we’re leaving at the end of October no ifs and no buts. Your last link says it will take 3 years to set up. In other words there isn’t a technology solution unless you include delaying brexit for 3 years.

 

[Grendel]

Boris says that we’re leaving at the end of October no ifs and no buts. Your last link says it will take 3 years to set up. In other words there isn’t a technology solution unless you include delaying brexit for 3 years.

He’s also said the uk will not put any border checks in place so Varadker will be the one putting up the fence

I’d say there is now a very high probability we will leave on October 31

 

[djr8369]

Could technology solve the Irish border problem?

Brussels draw plan for Irish border tech — but trashed Brexiteers' same idea

Brexit: Irish backstop alternative could work 'within three years' - CityAM

But of course you can listen to a pro EU expert who will say differently.

So apply this to the other questions in my post. If it can be done the backstop isn’t an issue but it certainly can’t just be ditched as would take a few years and a lot of investment to implement.


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[djr8369]

He’s also said the uk will not put any border checks in place so Varadker will be the one putting up the fence

I’d say there is now a very high probability we will leave on October 31

Well yeah as an open border would cause serious issues with the single market.


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[Grendel]

So apply this to the other questions in my post. If it can be done the backstop isn’t an issue but it certainly can’t just be ditched as would take a few years and a lot of investment to implement.


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It will not be the UK erecting a border

 

[Grendel]

Well yeah as an open border would cause serious issues with the single market.


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Indeed so the Eu will be the ones erecting a border

 

[djr8369]

Indeed so the Eu will be the ones erecting a border

Most likely but they’re not left with any alternative are they?


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[Sick Boy]

Could technology solve the Irish border problem?

Brussels draw plan for Irish border tech — but trashed Brexiteers' same idea

Brexit: Irish backstop alternative could work 'within three years' - CityAM

But of course you can listen to a pro EU expert who will say differently.

You really should get in touch with the Home Office to tell them they’re wrong.

 

[djr8369]

Indeed so the Eu will be the ones erecting a border

I’d imagine certain other trade agreements we want in future may require one our side anyway.


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[Sick Boy]

Indeed so the Eu will be the ones erecting a border

You’d be happy with an open border between the EU and UK then? Preventing illegal immigration would be interesting.

 

[Grendel]

You’d be happy with an open border between the EU and UK then? Preventing illegal immigration would be interesting.

Well that’s not happening is it? Anyway Varadkar will have to deal with it. Let’s see how cocky he is on November 1

 

[skybluetony176]

He’s also said the uk will not put any border checks in place so Varadker will be the one putting up the fence

I’d say there is now a very high probability we will leave on October 31

Boris choosing not to put up border checks UK side of the border isn’t dealing with the issue though is it. It’s still British business’ that are going to have to deal with the issue. All Boris has really said is that you’re on your own.

 

[skybluetony176]

Well that’s not happening is it? Anyway Varadkar will have to deal with it. Let’s see how cocky he is on November 1

So illegal immigrants will be able to cross the border into the UK from Ireland and we’ll have no mechanism for sending them back. How will Varadkar have to deal with that?

 

[skybluetony176]

It will not be the UK erecting a border

Given we voted to leave and Boris is willing to do that without a deal your statement is 100% factually incorrect.

 

[TTG]

Okay I'm here now, cross it off my bucket list now. And note never to ever come to this thread again. Have fun with the next 1000 pages

 

[shmmeee]

You’d be happy with an open border between the EU and UK then? Preventing illegal immigration would be interesting.

Brexiters: “We want control over our borders, except our only land border”

 

[Grendel]

Brexiters: “We want control over our borders, except our only land border”

Does that also apply to the person you described as the best political leader in Britain - Nicola Sturgeon?

 

[Sick Boy]

Well that’s not happening is it? Anyway Varadkar will have to deal with it. Let’s see how cocky he is on November 1

Having no border is going to lead to illegal immigration, it’s inevitable. It’s also a UK problem that would need addressing as presumably the illegal migration would be those entering the UK.

 

[Ian1779]

Okay I'm here now, cross it off my bucket list now. And note never to ever come to this thread again. Have fun with the next 1000 pages

This is where it’s at... we can do another 1000 pages and Brexit will still have moved no further on.

 

[Grendel]

Having no border is going to lead to illegal immigration, it’s inevitable. It’s also a UK problem that would need addressing as presumably the illegal migration would be those entering the UK.

Ireland will be instructed on day 1 to obey Brussels we can just sit and wait. A hard Brexit will be catastrophic for Eire

I imagine the oh so smug Mr Varadka is changing his underwear with increasing frequency as each day goes by

 

[skybluetony176]

Ireland will be instructed on day 1 to obey Brussels we can just sit and wait. A hard Brexit will be catastrophic for Eire

I imagine the oh so smug Mr Varadka is changing his underwear with increasing frequency as each day goes by

You’re detached from reality. I see nothing in your post that is going to give British dairy farmers based based in Northern Ireland any comfort for instance. How do you propose to help them for instance.

 

[Grendel]

You’re detached from reality. I see nothing in your post that is going to give British dairy farmers based based in Northern Ireland any comfort for instance. How do you propose to help them for instance.

So Brussels will not set a border up on November 1?

 

[Sick Boy]

Ireland will be instructed on day 1 to obey Brussels we can just sit and wait. A hard Brexit will be catastrophic for Eire

I imagine the oh so smug Mr Varadka is changing his underwear with increasing frequency as each day goes by

Of course no deal would be terrible for Eire but how’s having no border going to stop uncontrolled illegal immigration into the UK? Unless arrivals from NI join an international passport queue, imagine how the DUP would react to that!

 

[skybluetony176]

So Brussels will not set a border up on November 1?

We started the process of setting the border up in June 2016. Not just the one either. 97 in total to be exact.

You also didn’t answer the question. How do you propose to help the British dairy farmers of Northern Ireland?

 

[Grendel]

We started the process of setting the border up in June 2016. Not just the one either. 97 in total to be exact.

You also didn’t answer the question. How do you propose to help the British dairy farmers of Northern Ireland?

With respect you are not answering the question are you