The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (81 Viewers)

[Astute]

Back in the real world, it’s being left up to countries to decide what to do. Italy was one of the first to guarantee rights in a no deal Brexit

So it will be good if not all countries do what is seen to be right? What happens if any deadlines are missed because too many people try to register at the same time and the system implemented is overwhelmed with applications?

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Are you aware the wealth distribution in New Zealand between rich and poor is identical to the uk?

I included the UK in the list. The point is that all of those countries, including this one and Scandinavia, adopt a mix of capitalist and socialist policies. I don't want the government to run McDonald's. I do want it to provide healthcare and education. It's not a difficult idea to understand-are you Bill O'Reilly in disguise?

 

[Astute]

I guess the difference is Astute that the pro-Brexit government is forecasting a negative outcome behind closed doors. Rees-Mogg has had to resort to predicting a 'dividend' to be returned in decades rather than instantly. Farage is the only one openly demanding no-deal because he stands to lose the least from it

I fully agree with you. The odds are there will be a downturn of some sort. The rest of it is down to what effect there is on what rules are implemented. But then put it against the EU saying hardly anything will change for at least 2 years after we leave. That then gives us 2 years to come to a trade agreement. This is a massive true fact frequently ignored. But some try to make out is doesn't exist and say we will crash and burn as soon as we leave without a deal.

 

[skybluetony176]

Well done Spain. One down 26 to go.

I suppose this will make the millions of people affected live a lot easier now. Nothing to worry about anymore eh?

SB has also said Italy has done similar. Others may have as well, I haven’t really been paying attention to be honest. I know it’s happened in Spain as I know someone who has retired there and they mentioned it. I think they’re still worried about the strength of the pound as obviously it has an effect on how far their pension goes although currently they’re still finding the cost of living cheaper than the U.K., especially when socialising which is how they seem to be spending their retirement.

 

[skybluetony176]

Sounds like parody but this is what some Americans have been brain washed into thinking and it’s starting to spread over here with the millions spent on right wings think tanks, bloggers and YouTube channels.



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Ah, I remember the days when certain politicians would have loved it if we were like Norway. Obviously realised that Norway was too happy to wholesale buy into his brand of politics.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I fully agree with you. The odds are there will be a downturn of some sort. The rest of it is down to what effect there is on what rules are implemented. But then put it against the EU saying hardly anything will change for at least 2 years after we leave. That then gives us 2 years to come to a trade agreement. This is a massive true fact frequently ignored. But some try to make out is doesn't exist and say we will crash and burn as soon as we leave without a deal.

I think some kind of transition period works for both parties and at the end of the day it isn’t politicians negotiating it’s officials. I’m just frustrated that those who won’t suffer from a downturn are shouting the loudest for no deal

 

[skybluetony176]

Are you aware the wealth distribution in New Zealand between rich and poor is identical to the uk?

Yet for some reason they rank as a considerably happier country than us. How do explain that? Especially when you consider it’s also classed as a socialist country.

 

[Sick Boy]

So it will be good if not all countries do what is seen to be right? What happens if any deadlines are missed because too many people try to register at the same time and the system implemented is overwhelmed with applications?

You’re basing these other countries on how the UK works and assuming they work in the same way

 

[Sick Boy]

Well done Spain. One down 26 to go.

I suppose this will make the millions of people affected live a lot easier now. Nothing to worry about anymore eh?

Italy did it a while ago as welll.

 

[djr8369]

I fully agree with you. The odds are there will be a downturn of some sort. The rest of it is down to what effect there is on what rules are implemented. But then put it against the EU saying hardly anything will change for at least 2 years after we leave. That then gives us 2 years to come to a trade agreement. This is a massive true fact frequently ignored. But some try to make out is doesn't exist and say we will crash and burn as soon as we leave without a deal.

You keep mentioning 2 years unchanged. Out of interest specifically what comments are you referring to?


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[SkyblueBazza]

Bazza, I don’t agree. No deal will damage us more than the EU. The EU are more prepared for no deal than we are.

The idea we can play chicken with the EU around no deal is, I think, extremely misguided. Not least by the fact that (as acknowledged by leavers) you are also playing chicken with parliament and at least half of the population of the U.K.



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Short term no deal will impact us more imo. The EU is only better pepared depending who you listen to & believe. THAT is playing chicken...scaring people into thinking they are in great danger when they might well not be! Truth is not all outcomes can be perceived so they cannot be prepared for.

As for no deal...think of it as being a little like the Corbyn thing with the nuclear option that was in the news at the start of his leadership. We have nuclear weapons but it was claimed he said he will never give the okay use them. Whether that is or isn't his genuine stance matters not in the example - the fact is, if you have a nuclear option that you will not use...you have no nuclear option. No deal is the UKs nuclear option...it should never have been taken off the list of options. That was down to mostly remain MPs trying to twart Brexit any way possible. It isn't playing chicken...it is keeping all your options open. The more options you have the more likely you can make a better agreement/decision when the crunch comes.

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[SkyblueBazza]

The EU worked with the UK to negotiate a deal that is acceptable to most except for one detail. MPs, Boris included, could simply vote for it and in all likelihood, the ‘backstop’ would not become reality. We are the ones who chose to start this bullshit without thinking through the consequences-it is incumbent upon us to provide alternatives if we insist on rejecting the deal on the table.

We may or may not ever see eye to eye on these matters...but I still cannot fathom why you were telling me.

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[SkyblueBazza]

I've just looked at the survey, can you clarify what you're on about here as it looks like you've just cherry picked some numbers to me

It says what it says I guess? I lifted & trimmed that from Wikipedia tbh...haven't read the survey. And to be fair I don't much care about it either

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[SkyblueBazza]

If it’s the survey I looked at he highlights a slight drop in U.K. and Germany but negate to mention it went up in every other nation.


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But SB was asking for evidence of anywhere other than the UK - so I googled it & found Germany was the only other nation - don't shoot the messenger

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[clint van damme]

Call a General Election Boris.

The problems of the last three years are the consequence of the 52% being represented by 24% whilst the 48% is represented by 76%. Everything comes back to that.

Brexit will never get delivered against those odds.

come on Ernie, you don't seriously think Johnson is running the country do you?!

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Leavers were far more likely than remainers to think we’d stay in the SM. So it’s actually the 24% representing the 21%. And it’s less than that cos not everyone voted.

Put your silly little polling charts and graphs away, sorry to break it to you but they prove nothing.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It says what it says I guess? I lifted & trimmed that from Wikipedia tbh...haven't read the survey. And to be fair I don't much care about it either

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Put your silly little polling charts and graphs away, sorry to break it to you but they prove nothing.

The voices of reason

 

[Sick Boy]

Which is the point many try to ignore. Just like the vast majority of those who say leaving the EU will be an economic disaster for us. The vast majority of these same people said it would be such a good thing if we joined the Euro. Years later they all admitted they got it totally wrong.

Based on what evidence?

Or have you just made that up?

 

[fernandopartridge]

It says what it says I guess? I lifted & trimmed that from Wikipedia tbh...haven't read the survey. And to be fair I don't much care about it either

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Have a good day

 

[fernandopartridge]

Brexit: what just happened?

 

[Astute]

You’re basing these other countries on how the UK works and assuming they work in the same way

We are all supposed to keep to EU rules even though the EU doesn't keep to their own rules.

And how about when I said about the effect on areas throughout the EU that depend on those from the UK and also trade from the UK. You tried to change it to me saying about countries. Just read an article I would like to share with you. If you are being honest it will help to educate you on the subject. It is an interesting read.

The French village that fears for its Brits

 

[fernandopartridge]

We are all supposed to keep to EU rules even though the EU doesn't keep to their own rules.

And how about when I said about the effect on areas throughout the EU that depend on those from the UK and also trade from the UK. You tried to change it to me saying about countries. Just read an article I would like to share with you. If you are being honest it will help to educate you on the subject. It is an interesting read.

The French village that fears for its Brits

The EU is us and the other 27 members, it isn't a separate entity.

 

[Astute]

Based on what evidence?

Or have you just made that up?

Are you trying to pretend that we didn't do the subject to death previously?

 

[shmmeee]

I think some kind of transition period works for both parties and at the end of the day it isn’t politicians negotiating it’s officials. I’m just frustrated that those who won’t suffer from a downturn are shouting the loudest for no deal

Those shouting the loudest for no deal are generally traders like Farage and disaster capitalists like the right wing of the Tory party. And their marks of course.

 

[Astute]

The EU is us and the other 27 members, it isn't a separate entity.

But those running it are a separate entity. That is why the leaders of the 28 members have been trying to get reform for years.

 

[shmmeee]

I included the UK in the list. The point is that all of those countries, including this one and Scandinavia, adopt a mix of capitalist and socialist policies. I don't want the government to run McDonald's. I do want it to provide healthcare and education. It's not a difficult idea to understand-are you Bill O'Reilly in disguise?

Standard far right tactic: “Anything that isn’t libertarianism is communism”. Funny they always want to keep the bit of the state that stops the bigger boys coming and taking their shit though isn't it?

 

[Sick Boy]

We are all supposed to keep to EU rules even though the EU doesn't keep to their own rules.

And how about when I said about the effect on areas throughout the EU that depend on those from the UK and also trade from the UK. You tried to change it to me saying about countries. Just read an article I would like to share with you. If you are being honest it will help to educate you on the subject. It is an interesting read.

The French village that fears for its Brits

The EU is the same countries that you're talking about.

I read that article quite some time ago, thanks.

I suspect that most of the people featured in the article are not going to blame the EU for Brexit and the current situation though.

 

[Astute]

Those shouting the loudest for no deal are generally traders like Farage and disaster capitalists like the right wing of the Tory party. And their marks of course.

And how about explaining why you think May did an amazing job.

 

[Astute]

The EU is the same countries that you're talking about.

I read that article quite some time ago, thanks.

I suspect that most of the people featured in the article are not going to blame the EU for Brexit and the current situation though.

So if you had read the article before why did you try and call me out for bullshitting when saying exactly what the article says? Like the British buying the old houses and the French wanting new houses. Or communities relying on the British.

So you know the truth but say the opposite. Thanks for your admission.

 

[Astute]

Standard far right tactic: “Anything that isn’t libertarianism is communism”. Funny they always want to keep the bit of the state that stops the bigger boys coming and taking their shit though isn't it?

And how about explaining why you think May did an amazing job.

 

[Sick Boy]

So if you had read the article before why did you try and call me out for bullshitting when saying exactly what the article says? Like the British buying the old houses and the French wanting new houses. Or communities relying on the British.

So you know the truth but say the opposite. Thanks for your admission.

It is one village in southern France. If this is the basis of your claims then it's absurd.

And not to mention incredibly patronising to try and make out that a country with a larger economy than the UK is somehow dependent on it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Standard far right tactic: “Anything that isn’t libertarianism is communism”. Funny they always want to keep the bit of the state that stops the bigger boys coming and taking their shit though isn't it?

The American right: 'I hate big government! Now let's ban any kind of abortion, spend $1 trillion on the military and implement Christian theocracy'

The British right: 'We don't have a magic money tree! Now let's make tax giveaways and give bribes to Northern Ireland so we can stay in office'

 

[Grendel]

Well I’m pretty certain be will call an election on Wednesday

 

[skybluetony176]

Pointless announcements on a lectern outside No. 10. Well at least he’s not starting in the same vein as May.

 

[djr8369]

That was all about framing things ready for the election.


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