The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (107 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Pointless announcements on a lectern outside No. 10. Well at least he’s not starting in the same vein as May.

No he just said he’s taking no notice of tomorrow’s shenanigans

 

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[skybluetony176]

No he just said he’s taking no notice of tomorrow’s shenanigans

If that’s true why are you predicting he’s going to call an election on Wednesday?

 

[Grendel]

If that’s true why are you predicting he’s going to call an election on Wednesday?

Pretty much leaked it to every journalist there

What he suspects will happen is it will be rejected by the opponents. As I said before it’s confirmed he can wait till November

However, he may pull the rug Corbyn further and say he will do it in October. This means the opposition if they refuse will be giving them a vote of confidence which means he will not have to go to Brussels for an extension

 

[Astute]

It is one village in southern France. If this is the basis of your claims then it's absurd.

And not to mention incredibly patronising to try and make out that a country with a larger economy than the UK is somehow dependent on it.

And here you go again trying to make out regions become a whole country. What is wrong with you?

One village? Read the article again. A lot of the whole district is the same. Do you think that it is the only district where people rely on the British? Shall we go hundreds of miles away and try the North of France? Would you like to stay within a hundred miles?

I said exactly the same to you about where my wife and kids have moved to. It isn't an isolated case. It would be the same as making out that the whole of the UK is doing well because of how well certain parts are doing. The problem with you is you only want one version to be put forward. Yeah France will be OK and hardly anyone in France will be affected. But look at the truth. Wealth distribution in France is wider than in the UK. And we know how bad it is here. But you seem to think that the vast majority of people in France won't notice any difference after we leave.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Pretty much leaked it to every journalist there

What he suspects will happen is it will be rejected by the opponents. As I said before it’s confirmed he can wait till November

However, he may pull the rug Corbyn further and say he will do it in October. This means the opposition if they refuse will be giving them a vote of confidence which means he will not have to go to Brussels for an extension

He could shit in your face and you'd call it ice cream

 

[skybluetony176]

Pretty much leaked it to every journalist there

What he suspects will happen is it will be rejected by the opponents. As I said before it’s confirmed he can wait till November

However, he may pull the rug Corbyn further and say he will do it in October. This means the opposition if they refuse will be giving them a vote of confidence which means he will not have to go to Brussels for an extension

Well. I see you’ve covered all angles with duplicity.

For what it’s worth I agree that he will seek an election on Wednesday as he’s expecting to lose tomorrow and tonight’s show was about appointing blame (as is the MO of leavers) on others. It’s a replication of May’s tactics. It’s not even original.

 

[Grendel]

He could shit in your face and you'd call it ice cream

Sorry? He’s going to give labour and the Lib Dem’s an election before November? Do you want that or are you frightened of the outcome?

 

[Grendel]

Well. I see you’ve covered all angles with duplicity.

For what it’s worth I agree that he will seek an election on Wednesday as he’s expecting to lose tomorrow and tonight’s show was about appointing blame (as is the MO of leavers) on others. It’s a replication of May’s tactics. It’s not even original.

It highly original as Corbyn doesn’t want an election - May would have trotted back to Brussels for an extension he said there is no circumstance he will

 

[skybluetony176]

he said there is no circumstance he will

So did May and she went back twice for an extension.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sorry? He’s going to give labour and the Lib Dem’s an election before November? Do you want that or are you frightened of the outcome?

My point is no matter what he does you will find a way to praise him. Focussing more about elections and cementing his own power than dealing with Brexit sums him up. I've said countless times I don't want an election now and I've also said why.

 

[skybluetony176]

My point is no matter what he does you will find a way to praise him. Focussing more about elections and cementing his own power than dealing with Brexit sums him up. I've said countless times I don't want an election now and I've also said why.

Agree with that pretty much. All I saw tonight was a PM trying to shirk ownership of the responsibilities of his position. He’s the Norman Bates of PM’s. It wasn’t me it was the others.

 

[Grendel]

Agree with that pretty much. All I saw tonight was a PM trying to shirk ownership of the responsibilities of his position.

He’s going to offer an election if he’s defeated tomorrow - that’s accepting the ultimate responsibility - surely that’s the best solution

 

[Grendel]

My point is no matter what he does you will find a way to praise him. Focussing more about elections and cementing his own power than dealing with Brexit sums him up. I've said countless times I don't want an election now and I've also said why.

Because Corbyn will lose

 

[Grendel]

So did May and she went back twice for an extension.

He won’t

 

[skybluetony176]

He’s going to offer an election if he’s defeated tomorrow - that’s accepting the ultimate responsibility - surely that’s the best solution

Why is it? What will an election change? He’s saying he can’t do his job if he can’t do it on his terms. In other words he can’t do his own job because it’s not possible following protocol. In other words his leadership election campaign was a sham.

Ironically this is playing out exactly as Rory Stewart called it during his campaign during the same leadership contest should the winner try taking it down the route Boris was threatening.

 

[skybluetony176]

He won’t

Does Boris have a history of standing by his words? Are we going to see the PM laying down in front of bulldozers for instance?

 

[skybluetony176]

Because Corbyn will lose

Didn’t you predict that Corbyn would be consigned to the history books at the last election?

 

[Grendel]

Does Boris have a history of standing by his words? Are we going to see the PM laying down in front of bulldozers for instance?

Well all the political analysts are saying it’s nothing like Mays strategy but hey you are the expert

 

[Grendel]

Didn’t you predict that Corbyn would be consigned to the history books at the last election?

He lost last time.

The real point is as leader of the opposition how can he not accept an offer to rule? Refuse and he’s admitting he can’t win isn’t he?

According to you the country will never accept a hard Brexit so surely if this is what he does he’ll get thumped at the election

 

[Grendel]

Why is it? What will an election change? He’s saying he can’t do his job if he can’t do it on his terms. In other words he can’t do his own job because it’s not possible following protocol. In other words his leadership election campaign was a sham.

Ironically this is playing out exactly as Rory Stewart called it during his campaign during the same leadership contest should the winner try taking it down the route Boris was threatening.

This is a joke right? He’s saying he cannot deliver his commitment to the people so he’s putting the people in the position to make the choice.

There is an election planned it seems for October 14 so if you want a second referendum vote I guess labour or revoke Article 50 vote Lib Dem

You’ve said many times the country never voted for a hard Brexit. So surely as the only party that will offer that is Johnson he’s going to be thumped in the election. Yes? It’s

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Alexander's attempt at a governjunt appears to be failing - proroguing parliament, threatening deselection to rebels (when he himself voted against the government while he was in it!) and Gove suggesting they might just ignore legislation passed in the Commons.

Think he's starting to realise this governing malarkey is harder than he expected cos he can't just do what he wants. He is coming across as very Trump like but with a posh accent and a better vocabulary.

If an election is called I think he might win against Corbyn - it'd be a microcosm of current politics - one extreme against the other.

 

[skybluetony176]

Well all the political analysts are saying it’s nothing like Mays strategy but hey you are the expert

Not sure what that has to do with Boris’ history of keeping promises. I guess you feel the need for a distraction in light of Boris’ detailed recorded history.

All of the times Boris Johnson has broken his promises

FactCheck: Boris Johnson’s broken promises as London mayor

View From The Side: Boris Johnson- Broken Promises & Dodgy Deals

The Empty Promise of Boris Johnson

 

[Grendel]

Alexander's attempt at a governjunt appears to be failing - proroguing parliament, threatening deselection to rebels (when he himself voted against the government while he was in it!) and Gove suggesting they might just ignore legislation passed in the Commons.

Think he's starting to realise this governing malarkey is harder than he expected cos he can't just do what he wants. He is coming across as very Trump like but with a posh accent and a better vocabulary.

If an election is called I think he might win against Corbyn - it'd be a microcosm of current politics - one extreme against the other.

He’s acting like a CEO not a drone like a politician does

He’s going to call an election if he loses the vote so it seems

How’s that like Trump? Regarding deselection remind me how many labour MPs momentum wish to remove from standing as they are not Corbyn supporters?

If he call the election that is democratic process - he’s saying parliament is broke and cannot decide and he’s letting the public make a choice

You have to acknowledge if he does this it’s the most democratic solution?

Trying to vote against the order of the government isn’t. So this you I’m sure would support

 

[skybluetony176]

This is a joke right? He’s saying he cannot deliver his commitment to the people so he’s putting the people in the position to make the choice.

There is an election planned it seems for October 14 so if you want a second referendum vote I guess labour or revoke Article 50 vote Lib Dem

You’ve said many times the country never voted for a hard Brexit. So surely as the only party that will offer that is Johnson he’s going to be thumped in the election. Yes? It’s

This is a joke right? Boris was elected conservatives leader saying he could get a deal. Are you saying that this is another Boris broken promise?

 

[skybluetony176]

This is a joke right? He’s saying he cannot deliver his commitment to the people so he’s putting the people in the position to make the choice.

There is an election planned it seems for October 14 so if you want a second referendum vote I guess labour or revoke Article 50 vote Lib Dem

You’ve said many times the country never voted for a hard Brexit. So surely as the only party that will offer that is Johnson he’s going to be thumped in the election. Yes? It’s

Also only a couple of days ago you were claiming that only Corbyn could call an election and Boris would string it out until November. You now seem to be claiming that Boris is going to call the election and it’s going to be in October.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

He’s acting like a CEO not a drone like a politician does

He’s going to call an election if he loses the vote so it seems

How’s that like Trump? Regarding deselection remind me how many labour MPs momentum wish to remove from standing as they are not Corbyn supporters?

If he call the election that is democratic process - he’s saying parliament is broke and cannot decide and he’s letting the public make a choice

You have to acknowledge if he does this it’s the most democratic solution?

Trying to vote against the order of the government isn’t. So this you I’m sure would support

But he's not a CEO. He's PM and has to abide by certain rules and protocols. Even CEO's have to get things past the board, just sometimes they have the board in their pocket as they've filled it with yespeople.

Deselection is something the likes of momentum threaten and they're rabid extremists. It's also been something the Tory's have had a go at on the 'raving left'. But for Alexander to threaten it when he himself (along with a few members of his cabinet under May) has rebelled against the government is massively hypocritical.

He's like Trump because as you put it he's acting like a CEO - he thinks he can just get everyone to do what he wants.

If he does this it's the democratic solution, but it's the last resort because he's tried all the non-democratic ways first - proroguing, threatening rebels, considering just ignoring Commons legislation.

 

[Grendel]

This is a joke right? Boris was elected conservatives leader saying he could get a deal. Are you saying that this is another Boris broken promise?

Well he may well but the europhiles will defeat it in parliament as they will not leave

Let the people have the say

 

[Grendel]

But he's not a CEO. He's PM and has to abide by certain rules and protocols. Even CEO's have to get things past the board, just sometimes they have the board in their pocket as they've filled it with yespeople.

Deselection is something the likes of momentum threaten and they're rabid extremists. It's also been something the Tory's have had a go at on the 'raving left'. But for Alexander to threaten it when he himself (along with a few members of his cabinet under May) has rebelled against the government is massively hypocritical.

He's like Trump because as you put it he's acting like a CEO - he thinks he can just get everyone to do what he wants.

If he does this it's the democratic solution, but it's the last resort because he's tried all the non-democratic ways first - proroguing, threatening rebels, considering just ignoring Commons legislation.

Then he will be humiliated at the ballot box

 

[Sick Boy]

And here you go again trying to make out regions become a whole country. What is wrong with you?

One village? Read the article again. A lot of the whole district is the same. Do you think that it is the only district where people rely on the British? Shall we go hundreds of miles away and try the North of France? Would you like to stay within a hundred miles?

I said exactly the same to you about where my wife and kids have moved to. It isn't an isolated case. It would be the same as making out that the whole of the UK is doing well because of how well certain parts are doing. The problem with you is you only want one version to be put forward. Yeah France will be OK and hardly anyone in France will be affected. But look at the truth. Wealth distribution in France is wider than in the UK. And we know how bad it is here. But you seem to think that the vast majority of people in France won't notice any difference after we leave.

Hahaha so you have a go at me for taking about a whole country and then start talking about the country yourself.

Wow. Just , wow.

Rely on the British? Hahaha - yeah the plucky Brits keeping these countries going. You are aware that other nationalities move abroad and have holiday homes too, aren’t you?

 

[Grendel]

Also only a couple of days ago you were claiming that only Corbyn could call an election and Boris would string it out until November. You now seem to be claiming that Boris is going to call the election and it’s going to be in October.

No I wasn’t - I said Corbyn won’t support it. So now if he gets the chance and refused then he’s dead

What of course as I also said he will do is call a vote of no confidence in his own government by the end of the week - look at the Labour Party tonight they are spinning and swivelling and haven’t a clue how to act

 

[skybluetony176]

Alexander's attempt at a governjunt appears to be failing - proroguing parliament, threatening deselection to rebels (when he himself voted against the government while he was in it!) and Gove suggesting they might just ignore legislation passed in the Commons.

Think he's starting to realise this governing malarkey is harder than he expected cos he can't just do what he wants. He is coming across as very Trump like but with a posh accent and a better vocabulary.

If an election is called I think he might win against Corbyn - it'd be a microcosm of current politics - one extreme against the other.

I can’t call this one. I think it depends on how they all line themselves up. Wouldn’t be surprised if if it’s a hung parliament. The only party in England I can see making gains is Lib Dem’s, I suspect that they might do well in Scotland too, I can also see SNP winning back some seats with the Tories losing their gains from the last election to both. In Northern Ireland I wouldn’t be surprised if the DUP took a hit, they don’t seem to speak for the majority of anyone under 45 regardless of religion, wouldn’t be surprised to see the Alliance party continue with the strides they made in the Euro elections. Wales could be interesting also, expecting to see some pacts between Lib Dem’s and Plaid Cymru. There’s so many variables I don’t know how anyone can call this one with any certainty other than Labour and Tories will both take some damage and Lib Dem’s will make gains. Can’t see anyone having anything remotely near enough to form a majority government on their own so we’re either looking at a minority government with a confidence and supply agreement or a coalition.

Just to add, I wouldn’t rule out the Brexit Party taking seats of both Labour and Conservatives either.

 

[skybluetony176]

No I wasn’t - I said Corbyn won’t support it. So now if he gets the chance and refused then he’s dead

What of course as I also said he will do is call a vote of no confidence in his own government by the end of the week - look at the Labour Party tonight they are spinning and swivelling and haven’t a clue how to act

You said only Corbyn could call it as per the fixed term parliament act.

 

[skybluetony176]

Er because that’s parliamentary protocol? The government are not able to do so under the fixed parliament act

See

 

[Grendel]

You said only Corbyn could call it as per the fixed term parliament act.

I said that it’s the only option as the opposition otherwise will not agree to it. As well as the fact one would not believe a politician would put people before power

Johnson could in Wednesday show himself to be me a man of honour and he wants the people to decide. If he does as a democrat I’m sure you will be the first to applaud his sincerity

 

[Grendel]

See

They are not. He can’t call an election cab he Tony? Can he just dissolve Parliament?

I’ve also said he can if he really wants to