The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (21 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
SkyBlueDom26

SkyBlueDom26

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skybluetony176 said:
This week has been a magnificent week for democracy and it’s also happened on the terms of the leave campaign. The reality is we should all be winners this week regardless of what you voted in the referendum, there shouldn’t be an opportunity for gloating from either remainers or leavers but when some leavers start using words like betrayal and acting like they’re at a funeral then they invite gloating in my opinion.
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How ironic talking about Democracy
 
Grendel

Grendel

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skybluetony176 said:
You should read their manifesto instead of blindly towing the honest Boris line. You’ll be telling us next that Corbyn is a dribbling europhile.
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Er the labour guy interviewed on the Andrew Neil show confirmed it last night
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Oh and Tony the manifesto is clearly now not valid. The labour statement on its website says the Tories want a hard Brexit and labour demand a general election at the EARLIEST opportunity

Tony?
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Grendel said:
Oh and Tony the manifesto is clearly now not valid. The labour statement on its website says the Tories want a hard Brexit and labour demand a general election at the EARLIEST opportunity

Tony?
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You should probably read their constitution also then. The manifesto is valid until it’s changed by a vote by their members. That’s how Corbyn was forced to accept a second referendum, although he seems quite grateful for it now.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Can someone explain something to me. We have a dispute over a single issue, Brexit, and potentially leaving with no deal.

It is now being suggested that the mechanism to find a clear way forward on that single issue is to have a general election to establish 'the will of the people'.

Now the last time I checked general elections weren't single issue campaigns. I didn't vote remain but there's no chance in hell I'm voting Conservative or Brexit Party at a general election. Undoubtedly there will also be Conservative voters who aren't leavers who would never consider voting Labour, Lib Dem or Green. If we want a clear answer on a single issue then surely the best way to do that is have a vote on that single issue.

I can see every chance that we come out of a general election no further forward and the can gets kicked down the road again.
 
SIR ERNIE

SIR ERNIE

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djr8369 said:
To be fair remainers have faced language like this constantly for three years. You can hardly now criticise it when it’s semi-ironically thrown back.


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Not a word of criticism in my post, in fact I said how much I enjoyed the gloating.
 
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djr8369

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SIR ERNIE said:
Not a word of criticism in my post, in fact I said how much I enjoyed the gloating.
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I read your post as being tongue in cheek but I take it back if that was not your intention although triumphalism carries negative connotations.


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Grendel

Grendel

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skybluetony176 said:
You should probably read their constitution also then. The manifesto is valid until it’s changed by a vote by their members. That’s how Corbyn was forced to accept a second referendum, although he seems quite grateful for it now.
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Wow so are you saying the party if they had a snap election they couldn’t change the manifesto from the previous manifesto as they’d not have time to table a member vote?

Also you are saying a senior labour MP has deceived the electorate - no surprise I guess
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Grendel said:
Wow so are you saying the party if they had a snap election they couldn’t change the manifesto from the previous manifesto as they’d not have time to table a member vote?

Also you are saying a senior labour MP has deceived the electorate - no surprise I guess
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No, I’m not saying that at all. There’s a lot of deception from MP’s of every persuasion so I agree it’s not surprising if indeed he did say what you claim. Must be the example set from the top of the tree ie the PM.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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chiefdave said:
Can someone explain something to me. We have a dispute over a single issue, Brexit, and potentially leaving with no deal.

It is now being suggested that the mechanism to find a clear way forward on that single issue is to have a general election to establish 'the will of the people'.

Now the last time I checked general elections weren't single issue campaigns. I didn't vote remain but there's no chance in hell I'm voting Conservative or Brexit Party at a general election. Undoubtedly there will also be Conservative voters who aren't leavers who would never consider voting Labour, Lib Dem or Green. If we want a clear answer on a single issue then surely the best way to do that is have a vote on that single issue.

I can see every chance that we come out of a general election no further forward and the can gets kicked down the road again.
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Yep and a hung parliament would be disastrous
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep and a hung parliament would be disastrous
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A general election is the obvious way forward - a second referendum is pointless

The question would be rigged and not be yes or no so it would again be pointless. If it was yes or no the result would barely change

It’s bot going away. Labour should be honest with the electorate and admit it’s going to stand on a remain platform - then it’s a straight contest leave vs remain - the issue then will be settled

The conservatives clearly will have leave as a manifesto pledge - and will again at a next election
 
chiefdave

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Grendel said:
The question would be rigged and not be yes or no so it would again be pointless. If it was yes or no the result would barely change
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How can you possibly know the question would be and that it wouldn't be yes no?

Keep hearing claims the result would be the same, can say with certainty I wouldn't vote the same as I did last time, yet those on the leave side seem desperate to avoid another vote at all costs. Why would you not welcome another vote you were certain of winning? The notion that a general election will provide more clarity than a referendum is crazy.

Seems pretty simple to me. Leave the EU with no deal? Yes / No.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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chiefdave said:
How can you possibly know the question would be and that it wouldn't be yes no?

Keep hearing claims the result would be the same, can say with certainty I wouldn't vote the same as I did last time, yet those on the leave side seem desperate to avoid another vote at all costs. Why would you not welcome another vote you were certain of winning? The notion that a general election will provide more clarity than a referendum is crazy.

Seems pretty simple to me. Leave the EU with no deal? Yes / No.
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The correct procedure is to vote for a party in an election to deliver that manifesto

83% of the electorate rejected a second referendum at the last election

So when you say leave with no deal Yes/no do you mean remove remain off the ballot paper?
 
Evo1883

Evo1883

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Coventry live are doing a silly Facebook thing where they ask you who you would vote for in the election if it was called.

They've done similar things in the past and Labour always romp home... Conservatives currently have 4x the amount of people voting their way than Labour do...
Obviously can't look into it too much, but it must be disheartening for Labour voters knowing how many people truly dislike Jeremy corbyn when they all believe he is the Lord and saviour.

I truly look forward to his absolute drubbing at the GE (screenshot this post for the absolute scenes when he's wiped out)
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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Evo1883 said:
Coventry live are doing a silly Facebook thing where they ask you who you would vote for in the election if it was called.

They've done similar things in the past and Labour always romp home... Conservatives currently have 4x the amount of people voting their way than Labour do...
Obviously can't look into it too much, but it must be disheartening for Labour voters knowing how many people truly dislike Jeremy corbyn when they all believe he is the Lord and saviour.

I truly look forward to his absolute drubbing at the GE (screenshot this post for the absolute scenes when he's wiped out)
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...just as was predicted last time, eh?
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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Astute said:
As I keep saying and as you really know to be the truth everything would continue as it is now until the EU says we could leave. So as the EU doesn't want us to leave why would they say we can?

They would only say we could leave once a deal is sorted. So what would this deal consist of? Trade deal but everything more or kess as it is now to get one? And how much could we argue as we are not allowed to have any bargaining chips in the slightest. Yesterday looks to have made sure of that.

Good news to yourself and I. But for the future of the UK?
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The UK didn't have any bargaining chips to begin with apart from the the threat of no deal.

You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of deregulation and then having no border in Ireland and the issues this would cause. Of course, the arrogant little Englanders who say "so what, let the EU put up a border", which would then cause all sorts of problems for the UK.

As I've said before, it makes no difference to me whatsoever in terms of my rights here, I registered my official cittadinanza/citizenship here as Irish.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sick Boy said:
The UK didn't have any bargaining chips to begin with apart from the the threat of no deal.

You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of deregulation and then having no border in Ireland and the issues this would cause. Of course, the arrogant little Englanders who say "so what, let the EU put up a border", which would then cause all sorts of problems for the UK.

As I've said before, it makes no difference to me whatsoever in terms of my rights here, I registered my official cittadinanza/citizenship here as Irish.
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What issues would it cause for the UK?
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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Grendel said:
What issues would it cause for the UK?
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Well, it would cause the flare up of violence in Ireland to start with - granted, that's not something you're going to care about.

If you could take off your Brexit glasses and look at it from an outsider's perspective, it's not going to put the UK in a great light in general.

There would also be an issue with the Irish-American lobby in the USA who have already said they'd block any sort of deal between the UK and USA if it happened.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sick Boy said:
Well, it would cause the flare up of violence in Ireland to start with - granted, that's not something you're going to care about.

If you could take off your Brexit glasses and look at it from an outsider's perspective, it's not going to put the UK in a great light in general.

There would also be an issue with the Irish-American lobby in the USA who have already said they'd block any sort of deal between the UK and USA if it happened.
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Oh I thought you were talking about economic border issues not terrorism and illegal acts
 
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