The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (75 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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Yes.
dutchman
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It doesn't matter what the result was because your kind will never accept it.
Grendel
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Yes as the context of the referendum would change
The obvious act of a democratic society is to offer leave alternatives only - instead it’s remain and one specific deal to leave
So you stop spinning bollocks
It should be pointed out that the odds are overwhelmingly in favour of Brexit happening.
But it won’t happen until it’s no deal forced through against the will of the majority or somebody builds some bridges and bundles through a soft Brexit.
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But it won’t happen until it’s no deal forced through against the will of the majority or somebody builds some bridges and bundles through a soft Brexit.
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shmmeee
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So you’re talking bollocks then?
Come on, you said the people had spoken, what did they say?
The obvious act of a democracy would be to ignore a vote that had illegal activity.
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Grendel
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So we should remove remove remain off the ballot paper and decide the route of exit?
We know the result was L.E.A.V.E not hard even for you to grasp surely
Grendel
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In other words “my side lost and I’m whining until I get my own way”
clint van damme
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even that is flawed now. That option should have been on the original ballot paper for anyone who chose leave to select. I'm fairly sure we wouldn't be in this mess now.
In other words “it doesn’t matter if the rules of democracy are broken if I get what I want”
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Ian1779
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Your kind??
You can’t even articulate what Leave was meant to be... just some bullshit no-deal utopia that will never exist.
No-deal was never the choice... it was going to be the easiest deal ever remember.
dutchman
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The kind who think you know better than everyone else and have a god-given right to decide everything for them.
I agree shmmmeee, it’s up to the government to at least get their house in order first, however, I also believe Brexit is too important a subject for the opposition to play politics. I think we all appreciate that Brexit transcends party politics. ERG will only have themselves to blame if Article 50 gets revokes. I’ve said on this thread numerous times that it’s a combo of the ideological extremes on both sides that’s stopping a deal, together with the matter being politicised by Labour....ERG possibly taking a larger share of the blame.
SkyBlueDom26
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skybluetony176
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If you look that up in the dictionary it says see Boris Johnson.
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Ian1779
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Me?? You’ve clearly never read any of the hundreds of post I’ve made on this thread.
I’ve consistently said it is dangerous territory when you don’t respect democracy- doesn’t mean I have to agree with this reckless and frankly bat-shit crazy nonsense from Boris.
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OOH AHH BIGGITY BOO. BIGGITY BIGGITY BIGGITY BOO
Grendel
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Ian1779
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So if you believe it true... maybe call that one null and void and do it again... this time with the power of hindsight
skybluetony176
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I think he’s saying that May tried to bypass parliamentary sovereignty (you remember, the thing that the leave campaign campaigned to protect) until it was challenged in court and deemed illegal. And then Boris tried to stop parliamentary sovereignty (you remember, the thing that the leave campaign campaigned to protect) until it was challenged in court and deemed illegal. All hail Gina Miller, saviour of the leave campaign.
Grendel
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Lol and then if that one has done fraud do it again as well. Come off it.
shmmeee
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shmmeee
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Labour don’t want the Singapore style, fuck our responsibilities, cosy up with US, damage the economy on behalf of traders Brexit, no.
May and Boris have had a chance to reach out over Brexit and make a deal that brought over enough Labour support to nullify the ERG, they haven’t. Instead they wanted to be the Brexit party, because they were scared of The Brexit Party. That’s party politics.
The pure numbers mean that the likes of Nandy, Kinnock and others in heavy Leave voting seats would always have been looking for a deal. They even set up a group called Labour For A Deal and kept asking to be involved. They were ignored until the end then the compromise the negotiated was never put to Parliament.
That’s before you get to your Skinners, Hoeys and Fields who were Brexiters from the start.
Hell, Corbyn himself has been a Eurosceptic The Deal was there to make, but the Tories saw working class voters that would never go near them now on “their side” and thought they could break Labour strongholds by going full Brexit.
Even now, rather than get a deal through Johnson and co push for no deal, knowing no sane MP in a working class area will put it through and batter their constituents. Purely so he can play the line in an election.
Top to bottom, start to end, this is a Tory fuck up.
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shmmeee
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You mean like people who decide they speak for 17.4m people with widely disparate political views?
skybluetony176
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Why would there need to be another campaign?
We know what there isn’t going to be WW3, immediate recession, emergency budget, the French falling over themselves to appease the mighty U.K. because they still want to sell us cheese, Germany falling over itself to appease the mighty U.K. because they still want to sell us cars, the deals we need to do aren’t the easiest deals in the world etc. Unless you’ve been living in a cave for the last 3+ years you know the facts. No campaign required.
Grendel
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It’s odd you never mention those who remain will have different views on what they means as well Mr Tinfoil
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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For those who actually voted leave , no deal was very much the choice.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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If Brexit doesn't happen there will be riots on the streets of this country the likes of which haven't been seen for centuries and it won't have anything to do with Boris Johnson particularly, it will be a small matter of the democratic rights of the majority being denied.
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You clearly move in different circles to me.
Grendel
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How many in your circle wanted a customs union?
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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...your point being ?
Grendel
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Those circles are ever decreasing?
chiefdave
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I'm interested as to how you've drawn this conclusion?
I know of the 3 people who voted leave in my immediate family none of them would have voted leave if they knew that was potentially no deal brexit.
You also had the Vote Leave campaign saying suggestions of a no deal Brexit were 'project fear' and that it was out of the question due to how potentially damaging it could be to the county.
