The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (68 Viewers)

[SkyBlueDom26]

no it's not, he runs the commons and voting on the same issue two sessions on the trot is not normal practice.

The same issue? Oh sorry didn't realise the deal was voted for on Saturday!!! The only things that happened on Saturday were more bullshit moves to piss the public off and delay brexit even more... Can't wait for a general election

 

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[Grendel]

no it's not, he runs the commons and voting on the same issue two sessions on the trot is not normal practice.

the speaker is far from independent - it’s not normal practice to have to dig up a 500 year old precedent to allow the order paper to be controlled by the opposition. It’s also not normal to have collusion with people like Grieve prior to sitting.

he has shamed the role beyond repair

 

[clint van damme]

The same issue? Oh sorry didn't realise the deal was voted for on Saturday!!! The only things that happened on Saturday were more bullshit moves to piss the public off and delay brexit even more... Can't wait for a general election

it was on the running order Saturday.

 

[clint van damme]

the speaker is far from independent - it’s not normal practice to have to dig up a 500 year old precedent to allow the order paper to be controlled by the opposition. It’s also not normal to have collusion with people like Grieve prior to sitting.

he has shamed the role beyond repair

you may think he isn't independent but what he's done is completely within his remit. To say he thinks he's running the country is nonsense.

 

[Grendel]

you may think he isn't independent but what he's done is completely within his remit. To say he thinks he's running the country is nonsense.

He’s broken 500 years of constitutional behaviour in parliament to suit a personal agenda

 

[fernandopartridge]

Brexit: Speaker may block PM's push for Commons vote on his deal

If this happens its an absolute disgrace, the speaker thinks he runs the country...

Complete abuse of power

Christ you're an idiot

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Christ you're an idiot

So you think him not letting there be a vote on us leaving the EU with a deal is alright? Only idiot is yourself

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

The remoaners probably know it will pass so everything is being done to delay it/change it

 

[skybluetony176]

So you think him not letting there be a vote on us leaving the EU with a deal is alright? Only idiot is yourself

A) He hasn’t done that yet, calm yourself down.

B) If he does do that it’s only until the legislation is in force which means that when the deal has passed it can be triggered with immediate effect, so calm yourself down.

C) The speaker isn’t breaking the law. No one is taking it to JR unlike they did when the government tried to illegally bypass parliamentary democracy under TM or when it was illegally prorogued under BJ, so again calm yourself down.

 

[skybluetony176]

The remoaners probably know it will pass so everything is being done to delay it/change it

As per the parliamentary democracy leavers apparently voted to protect. Not sure what you’re moaning about you’ve got exactly (in respect to parliamentary democracy) what you voted for. Enjoy the fruits of your labour and wind your neck in.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

C) The speaker isn’t breaking the law. No one is taking it to JR unlike they did when the government tried to illegally bypass parliamentary democracy under TM or when it was illegally prorogued under BJ, so again calm yourself down.

Oh yeah like with the majority of parliament trying to bypass the people's democracy and what the majority voted for, you calm yourself down you muppet

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

As per the parliamentary democracy leavers apparently voted to protect. Not sure what you’re moaning about you’ve got exactly (in respect to parliamentary democracy) what you voted for. Enjoy the fruits of your labour and wind your neck in.

How have we got what we voted for hahaha we can't leave because Parliament won't pass anything

 

[djr8369]

Oh yeah like with the majority of parliament trying to bypass the people's democracy and what the majority voted for, you calm yourself down you muppet

Parliament is the people’s democracy you maniac.


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[chiefdave]

If he does do that it’s only until the legislation is in force which means that when the deal has passed it can be triggered with immediate effect, so calm yourself down.

If the government still wanted to have a vote on the deal why not do it on Saturday as planned? Seems pointless to call off the vote on Saturday and then try and bring it back on Monday knowing there's a good chance the speaker will turn it down.

That is of course assuming they genuinely want this deal to go through rather than no deal and aren't just playing to the gallery so when there is eventually an election they can claim they were trying to enact the result of the referendum but were blocked.

 

[skybluetony176]

Oh yeah like with the majority of parliament trying to bypass the people's democracy and what the majority voted for, you calm yourself down you muppet

The majority of those that voted leave voted for leave with a deal. That’s what Parliament is trying to do. You do understand that Boris with his games has actually been the biggest single factor in delaying Brexit again should it happen. If he had done his job in the first place we would now be a lot further down the road than we currently are. If remainers hadn’t challenged his illegal games in court we wouldn’t even be as far as we are today. If Boris and his chumps has have backed May when she was trying to negotiate a near identical deal to the Boris deal chances are there would have been no delays whatsoever and we would have already left. You can keep blaming remainers but the facts are that it’s remainers that’s ensured that what you voted for is happening and it’s leavers playing silly games that’s delayed it at every stage and about to again by playing silly games.

 

[Grendel]

Parliament is the people’s democracy you maniac.


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This is not the people’s democracy.

It is being propped up by 3 things.

A speaker whose prepared to ignore over 4 centuries of practice and allow the opposition the order paper

An opposition that is prepared to abuse the FTPA for its own political gain

the allowance of a Blair appointed kangaroo court to disable government policy

We are rapidly heading to a banana republic form of government

 

[Grendel]

If the government still wanted to have a vote on the deal why not do it on Saturday as planned? Seems pointless to call off the vote on Saturday and then try and bring it back on Monday knowing there's a good chance the speaker will turn it down.

That is of course assuming they genuinely want this deal to go through rather than no deal and aren't just playing to the gallery so when there is eventually an election they can claim they were trying to enact the result of the referendum but were blocked.

You do realise why the amendment was put in on Saturday don’t you?

 

[djr8369]

This is not the people’s democracy.

It is being propped up by 3 things.

A speaker whose prepared to ignore over 4 centuries of practice and allow the opposition the order paper

An opposition that is prepared to abuse the FTPA for its own political gain

the allowance of a Blair appointed kangaroo court to disable government policy

We are rapidly heading to a banana republic form of government

Oh behave.


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[SkyBlueDom26]

This is not the people’s democracy.

It is being propped up by 3 things.

A speaker whose prepared to ignore over 4 centuries of practice and allow the opposition the order paper

An opposition that is prepared to abuse the FTPA for its own political gain

the allowance of a Blair appointed kangaroo court to disable government policy

We are rapidly heading to a banana republic form of government

Literally this!! Its a remainers parliament who will stop at nothing to cancel brexit

 

[skybluetony176]

If the government still wanted to have a vote on the deal why not do it on Saturday as planned? Seems pointless to call off the vote on Saturday and then try and bring it back on Monday knowing there's a good chance the speaker will turn it down.

That is of course assuming they genuinely want this deal to go through rather than no deal and aren't just playing to the gallery so when there is eventually an election they can claim they were trying to enact the result of the referendum but were blocked.

You have to doubt it don’t you. It seems as though the government is still playing silly games and are setting their own deal up to fail so we can leave without a deal “accidentally”.

 

[chiefdave]

How have we got what we voted for hahaha we can't leave because Parliament won't pass anything

You must be furious with Johnson then. Twice voted against the withdrawal agreement and three times to delay leaving.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

You have to doubt it don’t you. It seems as though the government is still playing silly games and are setting their own deal up to fail so we can leave without a deal “accidentally”.

How are they setting it up to fail you idiot, they reckon it will have enough support to pass as some Labour Mps are behind it

 

[Grendel]

Oh behave.


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well what a well considered response

which of these 3 observations are false?

 

[Grendel]

You must be furious with Johnson then. Twice voted against the withdrawal agreement and three times to delay leaving.

You don’t seem to understand why the amendment was put in

 

[djr8369]

Literally this!! Its a remainers parliament who will stop at nothing to cancel brexit

No literally the opposite of this. He’s using the phrase “banana republic” because that is exactly the phrase that has (rightly) been used to criticise the government. Every time these Brexit lunatics and their schemes are called out Grendel is on hand to turn the phrase around like the good little propaganda tool he is.


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[SkyBlueDom26]

No literally the opposite of this. He’s using the phrase “banana republic” because that is exactly the phrase that has (rightly) been used to criticise the government. Every time these Brexit lunatics and their schemes are called out Grendel is on hand to turn the phrase around like the good little propaganda tool he is.


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So we are all lunatics because we voted to leave??

 

[Grendel]

No literally the opposite of this. He’s using the phrase “banana republic” because that is exactly the phrase that has (rightly) been used to criticise the government. Every time these Brexit lunatics and their schemes are called out Grendel is on hand to turn the phrase around like the good little propaganda tool he is.


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The Supreme Court was a Blair creation to achieve he and the commander in chief at the time wanted - a removal of Lords power and an appointed system US style to support his agenda. Whatever your views Johnson did not break any law. None, yet a funded campaign against the elected government can allow 11 unelected people an opinion on a law to rule against.

I would urge you perhaps to show me the precedent for allowing the order paper to be controlled by parliament and not the elected government

Even passionate Corbynite media hacks like Kevin Maguire snigger and admit this is an abuse of the 2011 act and it’s opportunism

parliament is in chaos. It’s lost any confidence it ever had from the public and is not fit for purpose

 

[skybluetony176]

How are they setting it up to fail you idiot, they reckon it will have enough support to pass as some Labour Mps are behind it

Because you idiot, without the legislation passing it won’t happen. Voting for the deal on its own won’t ensure it happens. It’s actually all in the article you yourself linked. Try reading and digesting what you yourself has provided before you go around accusing others of being an idiot. I have at least understood what you’ve provided.

 

[djr8369]

So we are all lunatics because we voted to leave??

No I’m talking about those driving the direction of the government.


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[SkyblueBazza]

I’ve not denied it. Merely pointed out that we’ve vetoed it. Pointing out that we’ve vetoed it is in itself a recognition of it’s existence. Really not sure how you claim I’ve denied anything. Unlike yourself.

So why are you coming back at me with a response suggesting that I am trying to re-write the meaning of the word veto???

All I have claimed is that you shot yourself in the foot because from day 1 post referendum result you have claimed time & time again that leavers were either along the lines of being nationalistic or ignorant & didn't know what they were voting for. You seemed to to be trying to deny that what I said was true, then when I said it was a stated goal...I suspect you went & looked it up...then come back with distractions about veto shit.

Not sure why you can't just acknowledge it is a goal of the EU which you appear at least to be sketchy about....& therefore it could be levelled that you & other remainers did not actually know what you were voting for if you were voting for things to stay the same - because change within the EU is just as certain as change outside of it.

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[Grendel]

No I’m talking about those driving the direction of the government.


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You mean the opposition?

 

[Philosoraptor]

The majority of those that voted leave voted for leave with a deal. That’s what Parliament is trying to do. You do understand that Boris with his games has actually been the biggest single factor in delaying Brexit again should it happen. If he had done his job in the first place we would now be a lot further down the road than we currently are. If remainers hadn’t challenged his illegal games in court we wouldn’t even be as far as we are today. If Boris and his chumps has have backed May when she was trying to negotiate a near identical deal to the Boris deal chances are there would have been no delays whatsoever and we would have already left. You can keep blaming remainers but the facts are that it’s remainers that’s ensured that what you voted for is happening and it’s leavers playing silly games that’s delayed it at every stage and about to again by playing silly games.

Actually incorrect.

Noel's deal or no deal what introduced after the referendum.

The referendum was a clear in/out option.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Here's the question in fact..

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

 

[Grendel]

Here's the question in fact..

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Indeed

 

[fernandopartridge]

So you think him not letting there be a vote on us leaving the EU with a deal is alright? Only idiot is yourself

That isn't what is happening though is it?