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Magwitch

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chiefdave said:
Hopefully when this is all over one of the things that will come out of it is a look at how employees are treated and how one sided things can be.

I know you changed to a fixed term position but the number of people who aren't considered permanent employess and have been left to sort themselves out in this mess should be a bit of a wake up call. You've got huge industries where it seems technically nobody is actually employed!
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Agree, it used to be called trade unions, watered down for years not just the Tory years either, as have workers rights especially in the last ten years and about to be eroded further now we are out of the EU.
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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cc84cov said:
They didn’t refuse to join the EU some administrator fucked it up which is poor tbf


I posted this to a mate and this was his reply
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Our government attended 4 meetings which were minuted, all discussing the equipment procurement scheme.

We then declined it on the basis that we are now an "independent country", then when it came to light they pretended they'd missed an email, and we had to go cap in hand to see if we could take part after all. Then we started talking about ordering 10,000 from Dyson- which turned out to be false and we actually had 30 show up.

Here you go. And we are fed the "communication confusion" line. Would be laughable if we didn't have thousands of people in hospital dying.

UK discussed joint EU plan to buy Covid-19 medical supplies, say officials

But I'm sure its just left wing hyperbole and scaremongering.
 
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Grendel

Grendel

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Ring Of Steel said:
He issues a range of graphs every day covering a variety of areas, there are a lot of variables. The original graph is up there in its glory every day- log scale was always the best way and still is.
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And the data is inconsistent across all countries and not accurate over deaths so how can you compare countries with different measures?
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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djr8369 said:
Definitely one of the conditions is that you perform no work but I doubt there will be any checking up so I’m sure they’ll get away with it!
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That's basically the response I got when I raised it.

As always with these things you end up in a tricky position as an employee as if you push back too hard you're viewed as a troublemaker, particularly if some of the other furloughed staff are happy to do whatever they are told no questions asked.
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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cc84cov said:
One my mates thinks Boris is doing a good job I said your in a minority he said he’s not speak to anyone who’s gotta business lol
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Has anyone received one of the 33 million letters he said he was going to send out?

.. at a cost of £6m and telling everyone things they already knew?
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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chiefdave said:
That's basically the response I got when I raised it.

As always with these things you end up in a tricky position as an employee as if you push back too hard you're viewed as a troublemaker, particularly if some of the other furloughed staff are happy to do whatever they are told no questions asked.
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Well thats fair enough, however what I can and am telling you is that HMRC will be using "every tool in their arsenal" to audit and check somewhere down the line. And those boys have some pretty serious tools in their box, speaking from bitter experience they use GCHQ to get hold of any emails they like and you'd never know it was happening (that was a much more serious issue than furlough tbf, but you don't fuck with HMRC!)
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Nick said:
People are shouting they want tests here and now but then shouting that they don't work.
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Not seen the interview you're referring to but aren't people mixing up different tests? The one people are angry about is testing to see if people currently have it. So you've got a quarter of NHS staff sat at home with symptoms who could be tested and if negative return straight to work.

I assume the test the '3 out of 4 wrong' is an antibody test which is what they are hoping to make available to the general public to take at home which will show if you've ever had it and if you have the theory is you would now be immune.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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chiefdave said:
Not seen the interview you're referring to but aren't people mixing up different tests? The one people are angry about is testing to see if people currently have it. So you've got a quarter of NHS staff sat at home with symptoms who could be tested and if negative return straight to work.

I assume the test the '3 out of 4 wrong' is an antibody test which is what they are hoping to make available to the general public to take at home which will show if you've ever had it and if you have the theory is you would now be immune.
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No he was referring to one of the testing agents that offered the swab test

The test being used now isn’t fully accurate as apparently some people were tested who clearly had it and it did not record as the disease as sometimes the disease is only located in the lungs
 
cc84cov

cc84cov

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Ring Of Steel said:
Has anyone received one of the 33 million letters he said he was going to send out?

.. at a cost of £6m and telling everyone things they already knew?
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I’ve just nailed the coffin shut peopoe think he’s the right man but can’t follow up his letter to each house hold
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
What else have they done wrong? We locked down..... No Government could have predicted this happening
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We had 2 months to prepare after the first cases were known and communicated. We ignored every single warning, and ignored all the events in all other countries. We knew what was coming in January, we even warned against travel to China. But we did nothing else, then you had the macabre exhibition in incompetence that was "take it on the chin", "let it rip through the country", "herd immunity". SInce then we have failed to test, failed to protect health workers, failed to lock down when recommended to, failed to procure equipment, lied and bullshitted about it every step of the way- they have failed in so many areas you'd be better off asking what they've got right. I guess building a giant hospital/ morgue is about the only thing in that category.

They knew in early January what this thing was and what it was likely going to do, they were told.

Scientists have been sounding the alarm on coronavirus for months. Why did Britain fail to act? | Richard Horton
 
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skybluesam66

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Skyblueweeman said:
Thanks. Would you mind if I PM'ed you some questions either today or over the next few days?

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
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can do - albeit you should probably take some proper advice from somebody who is qualified - but happy to discuss from what i have experienced (I may be missing something, so dont take 100 % without proper advice)

the IR35 rules on contractors albeit deferred is sort of linked to this also - albeit your situation should be clearer
 
Nick

Nick

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chiefdave said:
Not seen the interview you're referring to but aren't people mixing up different tests? The one people are angry about is testing to see if people currently have it. So you've got a quarter of NHS staff sat at home with symptoms who could be tested and if negative return straight to work.

I assume the test the '3 out of 4 wrong' is an antibody test which is what they are hoping to make available to the general public to take at home which will show if you've ever had it and if you have the theory is you would now be immune.
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I'm not 100% but he said there was a risk of sending doctor's back to the front line who had it so I assumed it was the one for NHS staff.
 
hill83

hill83

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Ring Of Steel said:
We had 2 months to prepare after the first cases were known and communicated. We ignored every single warning, and ignored all the events in all other countries. We knew what was coming in January, we even warned against travel to China. But we did nothing else, then you had the macabre exhibition in incompetence that was "take it on the chin", "let it rip through the country", "herd immunity". SInce then we have failed to test, failed to protect health workers, failed to lock down when recommended to, failed to procure equipment, lied and bullshitted about it every step of the way- they have failed in so many areas you'd be better off asking what they've got right. I guess building a giant hospital/ morgue is about the only thing in that category.

They knew in early January what this thing was and what it was likely going to do, they were told.

Scientists have been sounding the alarm on coronavirus for months. Why did Britain fail to act? | Richard Horton
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fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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cc84cov said:
They didn’t refuse to join the EU some administrator fucked it up which is poor tbf


I posted this to a mate and this was his reply
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No, no, that isn't how these things work at all. Agreeing to take part in something like that would need ministerial and treasury approval. I know this government loves to blame everybody but the c**t ministers who are actually in charge, but it isn't scientists or civil servants who decide what the country does or doesn't do.
 
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