Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (7 Viewers)

[Grendel]

He issues a range of graphs every day covering a variety of areas, there are a lot of variables. The original graph is up there in its glory every day- log scale was always the best way and still is.

And the data is inconsistent across all countries and not accurate over deaths so how can you compare countries with different measures?

 

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[wingy]

He hasn’t read it yet it’s a group chat I’ll let you know

How's your mate who came back from NY cc84 .
Has he managed to avoid getting it?

 

[cc84cov]

He ignored you?

One my mates thinks Boris is doing a good job I said your in a minority he said he’s not speak to anyone who’s gotta business lol

 

[cc84cov]

How's your mate who came back from NY cc84 .
Has he managed to avoid getting it?

Yes he’s fine mate I’ve been cheaking in with him but yeah all seems well

 

[chiefdave]

Definitely one of the conditions is that you perform no work but I doubt there will be any checking up so I’m sure they’ll get away with it!

That's basically the response I got when I raised it.

As always with these things you end up in a tricky position as an employee as if you push back too hard you're viewed as a troublemaker, particularly if some of the other furloughed staff are happy to do whatever they are told no questions asked.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

One my mates thinks Boris is doing a good job I said your in a minority he said he’s not speak to anyone who’s gotta business lol

Has anyone received one of the 33 million letters he said he was going to send out?

.. at a cost of £6m and telling everyone things they already knew?

 

[wingy]

Has anyone received one of the 33 million letters he said he was going to send out?

.. at a cost of £6m and telling everyone things they already knew?

Not me .
I thought I was alone.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

That's basically the response I got when I raised it.

As always with these things you end up in a tricky position as an employee as if you push back too hard you're viewed as a troublemaker, particularly if some of the other furloughed staff are happy to do whatever they are told no questions asked.

Well thats fair enough, however what I can and am telling you is that HMRC will be using "every tool in their arsenal" to audit and check somewhere down the line. And those boys have some pretty serious tools in their box, speaking from bitter experience they use GCHQ to get hold of any emails they like and you'd never know it was happening (that was a much more serious issue than furlough tbf, but you don't fuck with HMRC!)

 

[chiefdave]

People are shouting they want tests here and now but then shouting that they don't work.

Not seen the interview you're referring to but aren't people mixing up different tests? The one people are angry about is testing to see if people currently have it. So you've got a quarter of NHS staff sat at home with symptoms who could be tested and if negative return straight to work.

I assume the test the '3 out of 4 wrong' is an antibody test which is what they are hoping to make available to the general public to take at home which will show if you've ever had it and if you have the theory is you would now be immune.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

One my mates thinks Boris is doing a good job I said your in a minority he said he’s not speak to anyone who’s gotta business lol

I just think the way in which we have gone about testing has been a complete failure and shambles

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Not me .
I thought I was alone.

We are dealing with a man who can't even send a letter.

 

[cc84cov]

Has anyone received one of the 33 million letters he said he was going to send out?

.. at a cost of £6m and telling everyone things they already knew?

Was this to business owners ?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I just think the way in which we have gone about testing has been a complete failure and shambles

If only it were just the testing they got wrong.

 

[Grendel]

Not seen the interview you're referring to but aren't people mixing up different tests? The one people are angry about is testing to see if people currently have it. So you've got a quarter of NHS staff sat at home with symptoms who could be tested and if negative return straight to work.

I assume the test the '3 out of 4 wrong' is an antibody test which is what they are hoping to make available to the general public to take at home which will show if you've ever had it and if you have the theory is you would now be immune.

No he was referring to one of the testing agents that offered the swab test

The test being used now isn’t fully accurate as apparently some people were tested who clearly had it and it did not record as the disease as sometimes the disease is only located in the lungs

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Was this to business owners ?

No, a letter to every household.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

If only it were just the testing they got wrong.

What else have they done wrong? We locked down..... No Government could have predicted this happening

 

[Grendel]

As the FT article will not load this is a similar article focused on Italy alone and pretty much suggests the death rates are much much higher that the recorded numbers

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported

 

[cc84cov]

Has anyone received one of the 33 million letters he said he was going to send out?

.. at a cost of £6m and telling everyone things they already knew?

I’ve just nailed the coffin shut peopoe think he’s the right man but can’t follow up his letter to each house hold

 

[Ring Of Steel]

What else have they done wrong? We locked down..... No Government could have predicted this happening

We had 2 months to prepare after the first cases were known and communicated. We ignored every single warning, and ignored all the events in all other countries. We knew what was coming in January, we even warned against travel to China. But we did nothing else, then you had the macabre exhibition in incompetence that was "take it on the chin", "let it rip through the country", "herd immunity". SInce then we have failed to test, failed to protect health workers, failed to lock down when recommended to, failed to procure equipment, lied and bullshitted about it every step of the way- they have failed in so many areas you'd be better off asking what they've got right. I guess building a giant hospital/ morgue is about the only thing in that category.

They knew in early January what this thing was and what it was likely going to do, they were told.

Scientists have been sounding the alarm on coronavirus for months. Why did Britain fail to act? | Richard Horton

 

[clint van damme]

What else have they done wrong? We locked down..... No Government could have predicted this happening

Failed to provide ventilators, PPE and testing.
Turned down several opportunities to procure at least the first two and lied about it daily.

 

[skybluesam66]

Thanks. Would you mind if I PM'ed you some questions either today or over the next few days?

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

can do - albeit you should probably take some proper advice from somebody who is qualified - but happy to discuss from what i have experienced (I may be missing something, so dont take 100 % without proper advice)

the IR35 rules on contractors albeit deferred is sort of linked to this also - albeit your situation should be clearer

 

[Nick]

Not seen the interview you're referring to but aren't people mixing up different tests? The one people are angry about is testing to see if people currently have it. So you've got a quarter of NHS staff sat at home with symptoms who could be tested and if negative return straight to work.

I assume the test the '3 out of 4 wrong' is an antibody test which is what they are hoping to make available to the general public to take at home which will show if you've ever had it and if you have the theory is you would now be immune.

I'm not 100% but he said there was a risk of sending doctor's back to the front line who had it so I assumed it was the one for NHS staff.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I just think the way in which we have gone about testing has been a complete failure and shambles

Nearly criticism. Things must be bad

 

[hill83]

We had 2 months to prepare after the first cases were known and communicated. We ignored every single warning, and ignored all the events in all other countries. We knew what was coming in January, we even warned against travel to China. But we did nothing else, then you had the macabre exhibition in incompetence that was "take it on the chin", "let it rip through the country", "herd immunity". SInce then we have failed to test, failed to protect health workers, failed to lock down when recommended to, failed to procure equipment, lied and bullshitted about it every step of the way- they have failed in so many areas you'd be better off asking what they've got right. I guess building a giant hospital/ morgue is about the only thing in that category.

They knew in early January what this thing was and what it was likely going to do, they were told.

Scientists have been sounding the alarm on coronavirus for months. Why did Britain fail to act? | Richard Horton

 

[Nick]

Lee burge?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Is it obvious I'm trying to use lockdown to quit the vape I need to go smash up a fence or something

 

[fernandopartridge]

They didn’t refuse to join the EU some administrator fucked it up which is poor tbf


I posted this to a mate and this was his reply

No, no, that isn't how these things work at all. Agreeing to take part in something like that would need ministerial and treasury approval. I know this government loves to blame everybody but the c**t ministers who are actually in charge, but it isn't scientists or civil servants who decide what the country does or doesn't do.

 

[hill83]

Is it obvious I'm trying to use lockdown to quit the vape I need to go smash up a fence or something

I need to fix a fence. But my div of a neighbour keeps trying to stand near me to talk whenever I go in the back garden so I’m currently hiding.

 

[Nick]

I need to fix a fence. But my div of a neighbour keeps trying to stand near me to talk whenever I go in the back garden so I’m currently hiding.

Cough on him

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Nearly criticism. Things must be bad

Steve will be along to reassure us that the government know exactly what they're doing soon as he's finished revisiting the 1982 Hansard.

 

[hill83]

Cough on him

He’s in his 60s and is high risk himself and still lives with his mum. Probably not a good idea.

 

[Skybluefaz]

What else have they done wrong? We locked down..... No Government could have predicted this happening

Not decisive enough in the instructions. Intead of asking people not to go to the pub from day one it should have been an enforcement for example.

 

[hill83]

Not decisive enough in the instructions. Intead of asking people not to go to the pub from day one it should have been an enforcement for example.

I know several normally sensible people and many more utter spanners who all panicked and went to the pub that last night for one last sesh. Couldn’t believe what I was hearing.

 

[hill83]

I’m still pissed off Cheltenham wasn’t cancelled and equally pissed off with myself that I went.

 

[Spurs 'City Away Kit' Kit]

Just read the following online from an article taken from the Guardian...

For much of the week, it’s been as if the government has gone out of its way to appear wilfully clueless. First, the psychotically unstable Dominic Raab, then the pathologically untrustworthy Michael Gove, culminating with the shambolically underprepared Alok Sharma.

Every time someone mentions the bias of the 'tory press' they need to remember there is bias the other way too!

Bizarrely the article went on to say 'Thank God for Matt Hancock'