Ring Of Steel
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rob9872
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Astute, instead of taking things to heart just put them on ignore, it's good for your health trust me. Lots of people on here I often disagree with and I'm sure I'm on sone people's ignore list but that's fine. Currently I'm ignoring Ian numbers as he's too political and non football, the coventrian whos simply a c**t and that david o day or whatever his name is as he's just argumentative for the sake of it. I often disagree with shmmeee or grenners too but I respect their opinions more and converse ok on the reason we're really here which is ccfc.
Astute
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I do have a few on ignore. But I detest lies and liars. And we have several on here that don't mind being so to make political points. And I await the morning when it will be attempted to twist it around on me even though it is clear to see.
You would think the future of the Labour party depends on lies being told. Maybe they think it will bring Corbyn back.
Astute
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Yes you.
Look back at your comments to me. You will see what I mean. You are nowhere near as bad as a few on this thread but you can get carried away a bit with agreeing with them. Then the truth goes out the window.
Nick
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The incredible effort by staff at this factory to protect NHS staff
The incredible effort by staff at this factory to protect NHS staff
Isn't that breaking terms of furlough?
The incredible effort by staff at this factory to protect NHS staff
Isn't that breaking terms of furlough?
David O'Day
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clint van damme
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I can't remember what country it was but they repatriated a plane of their citizens from Wuhan and tested everyone on it when they landed.
40% who tested positive had no symptoms.
clint van damme
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Oh dear, oh dear.
All sorts of government incompetence going on here. But Raab still refusing to apologise.
UK missed three chances to join EU scheme to bulk-buy PPE
All sorts of government incompetence going on here. But Raab still refusing to apologise.
UK missed three chances to join EU scheme to bulk-buy PPE
clint van damme
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Sounds as though they volunteered which is ok I think.
Definitely fine to volunteer. Whether it's ok to do it at the firm you work for I'm.not sure
tisza
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Trump confirming he is a complete case.
Said it before he got the nomination that there is genuinely some psychological issues there.
Update from Hungary. Who knows the real truth? Under new laws media aren't allowed to reveal anything, question govt officials or medical people.
Testing still a joke. Need to be referred by 2 doctors ( 1 you report 1st symptoms to, 2nd 7 days later if things haven't improved).
One Govt official has said actual cases likely between 12 to 15 times official numbers as only those eventually admitted to hospital are counted as cases.
Still a shortage of PPE for docs and nurses although senior Govt people, advisers etc decked out like they are taking radiation tests.
We are still at least a month behind UK apparently.
On a brighter note my brother in London has recovered from the virus after some worrying moments.
Said it before he got the nomination that there is genuinely some psychological issues there.
Update from Hungary. Who knows the real truth? Under new laws media aren't allowed to reveal anything, question govt officials or medical people.
Testing still a joke. Need to be referred by 2 doctors ( 1 you report 1st symptoms to, 2nd 7 days later if things haven't improved).
One Govt official has said actual cases likely between 12 to 15 times official numbers as only those eventually admitted to hospital are counted as cases.
Still a shortage of PPE for docs and nurses although senior Govt people, advisers etc decked out like they are taking radiation tests.
We are still at least a month behind UK apparently.
On a brighter note my brother in London has recovered from the virus after some worrying moments.
shmmeee
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Considering the symptomatic period is about 7 days what what I’ve read that two doctor thing seems to just be a way of not testing anyone until they’re really serious to keep numbers down.
clint van damme
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Good news about your brother.
Always worrying to.hear about Orbans antics knowing how admired he is by our government.
skybluetony176
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Just reading about this on the BBC website and apparently many EU countries have too much PPE as a result of the scheme.
clint van damme
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No uproar about her appointment in the media at all.
Little uproar in the media about the leaked Labour report which clearly shows antisemitism was being weaponised.
No uproar about the antisemitic cartoon sanctioned by George Osbourne.
It's almost as if people don't care about it any more. Strange that.
clint van damme
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Incredible. Absolutely incredible. We have absolute morons in charge.
shmmeee
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Seen this referenced a lot, haven’t read the report. What’s the bit about AS being weaponised?
If that is true then there are serious questions to answer and heads should roll.
Of course neither of those things will happen, they'll just carry on as normal and no one will hold them to account, their 'fans' will defend them to the hilt and Boris will probably get a knighthood out of it.
tisza
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Exactly.
Mandatory quarantine when 1st report is made. Enforced by the police visiting a couple of times a day.
New load of kit from China this morning which is apparently "guaranteed" quality. Implication being 1st lot was duff as continuing shortages of PPE and there wasn't any significant jump in testing despite there supposedly being over a million test kits in the 1st delivery .
clint van damme
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There's all sorts in there it's very damning.
But there's evidence of antisemitism complaints having evidence destroyed to slow them down so it looked like the party wasn't handling them correctly.
Evidence that Tom Watson colluded to delay livingstone been thrown out for a year so it reflected badly on Corbyn.
Complaints of antisemitism lodged by members from the left of the party ignored.
Complaints of racism ignored and racist language used in e mails.
These people are now in charge.
There's 800 pages so I've still got shitloads to read. Fairly sure they'll be some court cases arising from it.
Starmer issued a statement yesterday following a key that signed by several Mps from the left of the party demanding an investigation and expulsions.
The wording was very disappointing though. He seemed more concerned with how it leaked rather than the content.
To his credit, Corbyn never signed the letter but a lot of his allies did. At the end a lot of this happened on his watch.
I say a lot of this because some of the report pre dates Corbyn.
The most concerning thing is how many people on the right of the party resisted a plan by Andy Burnham to remove all privatisation from the NHS.
Maybe it's safer under Boris now he's had his epiphany than it would be under Starmer.
tisza
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Got a link please.
Know eastern European EU states have been getting donations from Germany but nothing much yet from EU. Definite PPE and ventilator shortages here, Romania, Slovakia and others.
Our media says EU stuff is at least 2 weeks away from arriving.
Nick
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That's the bit I didn't know about. They are going into work still
shmmeee
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I’ll have to read it. I will say I’ve seen the Tom Watson accusations and that’s not what’s actually in the quote I’ve seen. It’s someone saying that’s what they are accused of not that’s what they did. It’s shared as a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Will have a look for the ignoring left wing AS accusations. It’s hard pulling out the serious stuff from the “people were mean in a private chat” stuff that seems to be getting people most excited.
fernandopartridge
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Just read what I said ffs.
The more series cases show the symptoms I mentioned, as clearly shortness of breath is something you'd want to seek medical advice on. Hence why they're the official advice.
I said the assertion that everybody (which suggests that there is no consistency at all in what symptoms people report) shows different symptoms is anecdotal and not clearly proven, especially as most of these people will be untested for COVID.
Not if you read the article
‘It is understood that officials in Whitehall only realised after those three rounds had been put out to tender that they had not received invitations to join the Joint Procurement Agreement steering committee where the orders are organised.
The UK only took part in its first meeting on joint procurement on 19 March after informing the commission that emails of invitation were being sent to an outdated address, the Guardian has learned.
Despite that belated show of interest, British officials did not attend a separate meeting of health officials on 25 March where participants were invited to spell out their requirements for future purchases to the commission by the next day’
Basically it looks like initially we weren’t even receiving the invitations and the first scheme failed. Then belatedly joint discussions on the next scheme just before the orders were placed
Also, the first deliveries might not come for another two weeks ?
I personally wouldve signed up to the scheme and just requested some random bulk numbers (if we didn’t know the actual requirements) of some key bits of PPE as you may as well end up with too much than too little but the article indicates it’s not as clear cut as the headline suggests.
If we are still running low in a week or two when the orders are likely to start to arrive then ministers/procurement team will be rightly questioned as to why they didn’t submit an order
clint van damme
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Racism is people being mean?
And that's your default position on everything you don't agree with, it's a conspiracy theory.
There is a quote in there from Emillie Oldknow that clearly states Watson instigated delaying Livingstones expulsion.
If it's not true I would expect Watson to instigate legal action. Won't happen.
I said that a couple of weeks ago when surprise surprise Grendel was saying we could discount how well certain countries have handled the crisis because they have a low population or low population density.
This virus spreads exponentially regardless of population size and density.
It's clear the only thing that affects and slows the spread is government intervention.
shmmeee
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OK mate.
Decide for yourself, here’s the quote about Watson:
She calls it a “crazy tale”, it’s not me calling it a conspiracy theory, it’s the person in the quote.
Again, I haven’t read the report. What I’ve seen on Twitter is people getting upset at someone calling someone else a “fat smelly cow” or something, not racism. I will read the report, I was just asking you as someone who had what you thought the worst bits were. Because it’s hard to find in amongst the people up in arms about what I’d term just mean comments.
TBH you’ve gone off the handle a bit here.
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In his defence (and I haven't got past skimming the first 70 pages, so yet to reach the meaty stuff! I still have work to do
) I suspect he means stuff like calling them 'trots' and the like rather than racism.
Ring Of Steel
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Some good news this morning.
Princess Beatrice had to call her wedding off due to COVID19. She’s announced that the rearranged wedding next year will be much bigger, more extravagant and more expensive than originally planned, in order to raise the nation’s spirits and give us something to look forward to while we’re locked down.
Princess Beatrice had to call her wedding off due to COVID19. She’s announced that the rearranged wedding next year will be much bigger, more extravagant and more expensive than originally planned, in order to raise the nation’s spirits and give us something to look forward to while we’re locked down.
shmmeee
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In his defence (and I haven't got past skimming the first 70 pages, so yet to reach the meaty stuff! I still have work to do
Im just being lazy. I’ve seen lots of heat and little light. The one serious accusation I’ve seen backed by a screenshot of the report is the Watson thing which for me doesn’t stack up to how it’s being reported and how CVD describes it. This naturally makes me want to see the source for the other serious accusations. The only other stuff I’ve seen online has been of the level of “trots” and “fat cow” so if there’s evidence of racism I’d like to see it.
As always if you’re not immediately outraged because you’re told to be you must be some nefarious actor.
Ian1779
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There is a lot of debate about this particular quote as there appears to be varying versions (whether the other version is a crop or from later on in the report I don’t know)
That said.... from the few bits I’ve read so far - misogyny, bullying and yes it would appear ‘racism’ (if not a total intolerance of MP’s or staff working from any ethnic background) is endemic.
To be honest - it’s a disgrace from top to bottom. As a fee paying member I did not sign up for my money to be used in this way.... pretty sure tens of thousands if not more feel the same.
clint van damme
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Apologies, you're right I have misread the quote but There's a plenty of worrying stuff in there.
However, referring directly to a black woman as pubehead is overtly racist and definitely beyond being mean.
I'm going off on one because the report is appalling. Starmer has a huge job on his hands to navigate the party through this.
For balance, in.my opinion, Corbyn doesn't come out well from what I've read. When you're head honcho you have to take responsibility for what happens during your tenure