Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (28 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

Actually I’m jumping to a conclusion based on thousands dead, no PPE, lack of equipment, constant lies, pin badges, doctoring figures etc etc That conclusion is that the government have failed their population horrendously and unforgivably. The article has come after all those facts became apparent, so you’re splitting hairs again.

Actually I’d say that the U.K. is failing in three major areas- inept government, lack of any opposition and a compliant & agenda driven media. That’s a recipe for a clusterfuck which is about where we are right now.

 

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[CCFCSteve]

Actually I’m jumping to a conclusion based on thousands dead, no PPE, lack of equipment, constant lies, pin badges, doctoring figures etc etc That conclusion is that the government have failed their population horrendously and unforgivably. The article has come after all those facts became apparent, so you’re splitting hairs again.

I was talking about the article

 

[Grendel]

Works on both sides though mate, I’ve been labelled as a left wing Labour voted when I’ve only voted Labour twice in 15 years.

Workers Revolutionary Party?

 

[chiefdave]

And I’m sorry but at what point do you stop minimising evidence after evidence that this government intended to have less of a lockdown and therefore more deaths to gain a small economic advantage?

We've got less of a lockdown than many other countries. Other countries don't let you leave the house without permission yet here we still have non-essential workers travelling to work every day and arguments about who is and isn't allowed to use parks.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I mean look at the state of this twat- he’s now seemingly turning to the Trump playbook and wants to blame the WHO and gets the jump when his lies are called out

 

[Grendel]

Pretty simple explanation, Murdoch / Times back Gove, Telegraph backs Johnson.

The Times of course as well was very firmly in the remain camp during the Brexit debate

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I was talking about the article

The article was pasted up so people can read it if they didn’t want to pay for it. Whatever it’s merits it does not deflect away from the bare facts. And this talk of “wait for the inquiry”- you know as well as I know that an inquiry the likes of which you refer to will never, ever happen.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The Times of course as well was very firmly in the remain camp during the Brexit debate

Therefore again we see that for the Conservatives there is never a wrong time to “make a move”. Yet on the other side they stand around not wanting to offend anyone. Which is why they’ll keep losing.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Gove also been pretty visible so that is nonsense

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Number of votes= [(Number of pints held x Height of pint held) x (Number of Union Jacks waved + Number of jokes told^2)]/Number of left wing policies offered

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Therefore again we see that for the Conservatives there is never a wrong time to “make a move”. Yet on the other side they stand around not wanting to offend anyone. Which is why they’ll keep losing.

Whatever the other side does is going to be criticised because the media barons are mates with the Tories

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Number of votes= [(Number of pints held x Height of pint held) x (Number of Union Jacks waved + Number of jokes told^2)]/Number of left wing policies offered

One thing about Boris- I can see how he is able to engage lots of people. I have never seen a hint of Gove having any similar ability, surely they won’t stick him in charge?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

One thing about Boris- I can see how he is able to engage lots of people. I have never seen a hint of Gove having any similar ability, surely they won’t stick him in charge?

Gove's best effort at that was when he was at the Headteachers' Conference and did well not to get lynched

 

[Grendel]

Therefore again we see that for the Conservatives there is never a wrong time to “make a move”. Yet on the other side they stand around not wanting to offend anyone. Which is why they’ll keep losing.

Not really as I’m sure the Sunday Times took the opposite stance and the mail and Mail on Sunday had very different opinions

 

[Grendel]

One thing about Boris- I can see how he is able to engage lots of people. I have never seen a hint of Gove having any similar ability, surely they won’t stick him in charge?

Johnson won’t be leaving as a result of this

 

[skybluetony176]

Johnson won’t be leaving as a result of this

So how bad a fuck up do you think there needs to be to result in Boris going?

 

[Skybluefaz]

You just worked that out?

If only

 

[David O'Day]

So how bad a fuck up do you think there needs to be to result in Boris going?

If grenners says something the opposite is likely to happen

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[Deleted member 5849]

We've got less of a lockdown than many other countries. Other countries don't let you leave the house without permission yet here we still have non-essential workers travelling to work every day and arguments about who is and isn't allowed to use parks.

That's true. Tbf, despite the occasional headline incident, it shows we're a fairly compliant nation really.

 

[Grendel]

If grenners says something the opposite is likely to happen

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David has a brain

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

596 deaths in hospital today big reduction. Until you remember they think 4500 could have died in care homes

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

rumours abound that Gove sees his opportunity

eg:


it’s not a popular opinion but I stand by it: while “the left” are standing by, “the right” are calculating the next move. That’s why they always win.

Gove has the naked ambition of Johnson. Nowhere near the charisma. Be a huge mistake to get rid of Johnson for him.

At the moment I think if Sunak were to go for it he might have a problem. Comes across far more composed, young and energetic. Plus it'd tick a diversity box.

However hearing about how he seemingly wants to base strategy on economy rather than health reasons (OK he is chancellor but his background is investment banking/hedge funds so it'd be his default position) it's meet the new boss same as the old boss (probably worse) in that respect.

No-one in their right mind would challenge a leader while this is ongoing, and why you'd want to take over at a time we'd be entering the worst economic period in living memory is anyone's guess.

I could see Johnson getting to the end of the crisis and saying he's stepping down for health reasons, so he won't have to deal with the economic fallout. He wanted to be PM, he's done it and now he's had a taste of the work involved he'll want out. Wants his weekends off and chance to bang anything that moves. IMO it'd be a smart decision for him and give him a 'legacy' - dealt with coronavirus, made himself ill doing it and had to retire as a result.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

“when this is over”- you mean in the same way there was an unbiased & professional inquiry into Hillsborough? Not a chance- they need to be questioned, challenged now because these fucking ghouls will already be calculating how to apportion blame to everyone else while saying “now isn’t the right time”

I do think it needs to be ascertained exactly what the facts are regarding PPE, ventilators, testing, policy early on before shooting the mouth of. If you go early and some things are later shown to just be rumours that were unverified it will just give the Tories ammo to fight back. Being a lawyer Starmer knows this. Make sure of the facts and play it hard when parliament is sitting and things are more back to normal. Right now using it as a means of attack could be seen as political points scoring and be unpopular with people who want the focus to be on fighting the virus.

I admit in the US there is the things following shootings that 'now is not the time - think of the victims' but when it's settled down they use the excuse it hasn't happened in a while - no problem, nothing to see here.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Can he hold a pint like Johnson? Can he make wisecracks on the spot?

Not sure about wisecracks but he can definitely take crack on the spot.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It won’t end here - this government will try and send kids back to school too early, social distancing is utterly impossible in an education setting, and then we just start the cycle of disease spreading all over again.

But such as decision would add to growing list of fuck-ups and incompetence.

 

[chiefdave]

Remember at yesterdays briefing when they said loads of PPE was being delivered today, guess what?
Coronavirus: Delivery of 84 tonnes of protective equipment for NHS delayed

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But such as decision would add to growing list of fuck-ups and incompetence.

Denmark has done it for primary school children but has attempted to maintain distancing measures. Ridiculous to attempt in classrooms here often with 30+ children plus teaching staff

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Remember at yesterdays briefing when they said loads of PPE was being delivered today, guess what?
Coronavirus: Delivery of 84 tonnes of protective equipment for NHS delayed

Quelle surprise!

 

[Astute]

And then read some of the comments here
around timelines, scientific advice etc to show you should try to retain a balanced view and not necessarily jump to the conclusions based on headlines

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As I say, this isn’t a defence of the government (he’s a Lib Dem) it’s a defence of facts

Balanced?

Most only do balanced as long as it leans to one side it seems. But this Gove thing could be the reason why a Tory rag would go against Boris. When things go shite they change leader. This is how they normally keep a hold of power.

I would prefer them to keep Boris than switch for Gove. He is the master of a single one liner and nothing else.

 

[skybluetony176]

Denmark has done it for primary school children but has attempted to maintain distancing measures. Ridiculous to attempt in classrooms here often with 30+ children plus teaching staff

In Denmark primary school classes can’t exceed 28 and the average is 19. Big defence.

 

[Astute]

Pretty simple explanation, Murdoch / Times back Gove, Telegraph backs Johnson.

Exactly. Would prefer to be up against Boris. The bloke is a fool.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

In Denmark primary school classes can’t exceed 28 and the average is 19. Big defence.

Plus they'll look bloody stupid cancelling exams and then bringing us back in ample time to have held them

 

[Astute]

The article was pasted up so people can read it if they didn’t want to pay for it. Whatever it’s merits it does not deflect away from the bare facts. And this talk of “wait for the inquiry”- you know as well as I know that an inquiry the likes of which you refer to will never, ever happen.

'Facts' that most people seem to want to put their own twist on. Can't remember the last time that so many articles can mean so many different things.

 

[Ian1779]

Actually I’d say that the U.K. is failing in three major areas- inept government, lack of any opposition and a compliant & agenda driven media. That’s a recipe for a clusterfuck which is about where we are right now.

There is no such thing as an effective opposition... if the media label the opposition as effective, it means they are compliant and don’t challenge the status quo.

 

[Ian1779]

Denmark has done it for primary school children but has attempted to maintain distancing measures. Ridiculous to attempt in classrooms here often with 30+ children plus teaching staff

Simply no way a secondary school of 1500 could open with any kind of social distancing in place.

 

[Paxman II]

On PPE many truths are not getting told. A dlivery on a Friday was made to a 'desperate' hospital. On the Monday a second delivery by the same driver was made and the original delivery was still on the side unopened.
On ventilators why is it taking so long to get approval passed for Dyson's models that are ready to be delivered?

You will get scare stories, misinformation from both camps and political brinkmanship. You have incompetent NHS procurement managers and complete lack of management control within the NHS with more and more pen pushers taken from the front line positions. You have new urgently built hospitals going largely vacant?

Do your own research, do not listen to the main stream media or the conspiracy media. Above all do not beleive a word China says.