Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (7 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

The Times article is damming and it will be interesting to see the government response (and more importantly the inquiries when all the information is laid bare - which is the right time/way for people to held to account)

I watched that video about 5 or 6 times and I’m still wasnt quite sure about the uproar. People will read into it what they want but it’s a minute clip and he starts by talking about ‘it’s in that context’ what context ? So I googled the speech and checked the transcript...

‘From Brussels to China to Washington tariffs are being waved around like cudgels even in debates on foreign policy where frankly they have no place - and there is an ever growing proliferation of non-tariff barriers and the resulting tensions are letting the air out of the tyres of the world economy.

World trading volumes are lagging behind global growth.

Trade used to grow at roughly double global GDP – from 1987 to 2007.

Now it barely keeps pace and global growth is itself anaemic and the decline in global poverty is beginning to slow.

And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other’

So basically the context was how unnecessary trade barriers and protectionism are slowing the decline of global poverty ???? But I guess the person uploading it didn’t want that bit on there ?!

There are plenty of genuine faults to be looked into after it’s over but this type of nonsense (to be polite) isn’t any help to anyone !

“when this is over”- you mean in the same way there was an unbiased & professional inquiry into Hillsborough? Not a chance- they need to be questioned, challenged now because these fucking ghouls will already be calculating how to apportion blame to everyone else while saying “now isn’t the right time”

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I saw the Nawaz stuff earlier and if he's correct it would seem the knives are out Johnson.

If they bin him off it would be a huge mistake unless they have a Mk II lined up but I'm not aware of any up and coming charlatans for the time being

 

[Ring Of Steel]

If they bin him off it would be a huge mistake unless they have a Mk II lined up but I'm not aware of any up and coming charlatans for the time being

rumours abound that Gove sees his opportunity

eg:


it’s not a popular opinion but I stand by it: while “the left” are standing by, “the right” are calculating the next move. That’s why they always win.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

rumours abound that Gove sees his opportunity

eg:


it’s not a popular opinion but I stand by it: while “the left” are standing by, “the right” are calculating the next move. That’s why they always win.

Can he hold a pint like Johnson? Can he make wisecracks on the spot?

 

[CCFCSteve]

And the “take it on the chin”?

The quotes from government insiders in well connected papers saying “we didn’t want lockdown”?

The quotes from scientific advisors saying their advice was ignored?

The quotes from Whitehall about Cummings presentation “a few pensioners will die”?

At some point mate you’re just deluding yourself.

Ive been there. Voting Labour when Iraq happened and the full extent of the deceit came out. But there comes a point where basic humanity and common sense comes ahead of party loyalty.

Can we stop with this ‘party loyalty’ stuff shmmeee, I’ve let a few comments ride as they were said in half jest but I’ve also stated on numerous occasions that I have no loyalty. I’ve voted for the two main parties equal times.

Please don’t misinterpret me questioning articles, videos etc and calling out factually incorrect comments (like ‘take it on the chin’) as me supporting the Tories.

I’ve said that in relation to a number of the elements I’d reserve my judgement until I’m armed with all the facts and inquiries are held and would support people to be held to account. Ive also already highlighted what I consider as failings. I can’t say more than that but that’s not me showing a lack of humility/basic humanity

 

[Ian1779]

Can he hold a pint like Johnson? Can he make wisecracks on the spot?

He can do a line like a boss though...

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Can we stop with this ‘party loyalty’ stuff shmmeee, I’ve let a few comments ride as they were said in half jest but I’ve also stated on numerous occasions that I have no loyalty. I’ve voted for the two main parties equal times.

Please don’t misinterpret me questioning articles, videos etc and calling out factually incorrect comments (like ‘take it on the chin’) as me supporting the Tories.

I’ve said that in relation to a number of the elements I’d reserve my judgement until I’m armed with all the facts and inquiries are held and would support people to be held to account. Ive also already highlighted what I consider as failings. I can’t say more than that but that’s not me showing a lack of humility/basic humanity

Makes me wish we didn't have political parties

 

[David O'Day]

Can he hold a pint like Johnson? Can he make wisecracks on the spot?

Gove also been pretty visible so that is nonsense

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[CCFCSteve]

“when this is over”- you mean in the same way there was an unbiased & professional inquiry into Hillsborough? Not a chance- they need to be questioned, challenged now because these fucking ghouls will already be calculating how to apportion blame to everyone else while saying “now isn’t the right time”

Well there’s already minutes available from the scientific committee meetings etc etc so shouldn’t be too difficult to pull together the facts

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Well there’s already minutes available from the scientific committee meetings etc etc so shouldn’t be too difficult to pull together the facts

just like the Russia report you mean? That was a great example of transparency wasn’t it.

Meanwhile, while we’re waiting for the Conservatives to decide what the facts should be, here is a real fact

 

[Astute]

Thats why I think Starmer is probably taking the correct approach at present. Still point out immediate issues/failings and then when there’s an inquiry if there are major failings/issues jump on them and capitalise on them then. The wider public wouldn’t appreciate him giving a government a good shoeing based on articles etc at present, however much some would prefer him to.

Which is exactly my point. The Tories are doing enough damage to themselves. It will be good to see what happens next. Glad it is the Tories in charge while this is happening.

 

[Astute]

Those who voted tory voted for them after they set up their Twitter account to mimic the fact check Twitter account
Twitter accuses Tories of misleading public with 'factcheck' foray
They have no moral high ground

You just worked that out?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

If anyone understandably doesn’t want to pay to read the Times article, here it is. If after reading anyone would still like to say that we should wait until it’s all over (which would mysteriously turn out to be about 2 years) as opposed to asking some pretty fucking serious questions now, would be fascinated to know how that can be justified.

 

[Sick Boy]

Can we stop with this ‘party loyalty’ stuff shmmeee, I’ve let a few comments ride as they were said in half jest but I’ve also stated on numerous occasions that I have no loyalty. I’ve voted for the two main parties equal times.

Works on both sides though mate, I’ve been labelled as a left wing Labour voted when I’ve only voted Labour twice in 15 years.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Works on both sides though mate, I’ve been labelled as a left wing Labour voted when I’ve only voted Labour twice in 15 years.

I’ve never voted labour in my life and yet I’m apparently a “leftie”- it’s the go-to defence to try and deflect. That your opinion is not valid if you are on the wrong side.

 

[CCFCSteve]

If anyone understandably doesn’t want to pay to read the Times article, here it is. If after reading anyone would still like to say that we should wait until it’s all over (which would mysteriously turn out to be about 2 years) as opposed to asking some pretty fucking serious questions now, would be fascinated to know how that can be justified.

And then read some of the comments here
around timelines, scientific advice etc to show you should try to retain a balanced view and not necessarily jump to the conclusions based on headlines

أبو عمّار (@MaajidNawaz) on Twitter

As I say, this isn’t a defence of the government (he’s a Lib Dem) it’s a defence of facts

 

[Ring Of Steel]

And then read some of the comments here
around timelines, advice etc to show you should try to retain a balanced view and not necessarily jump to the conclusions based on headlines

أبو عمّار (@MaajidNawaz) on Twitter

Actually I’m jumping to a conclusion based on thousands dead, no PPE, lack of equipment, constant lies, pin badges, doctoring figures etc etc That conclusion is that the government have failed their population horrendously and unforgivably. The article has come after all those facts became apparent, so you’re splitting hairs again.

 

[chiefdave]

Very interesting considering all the media is supposed to be on the side of the Tories.

Pretty simple explanation, Murdoch / Times back Gove, Telegraph backs Johnson.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Actually I’m jumping to a conclusion based on thousands dead, no PPE, lack of equipment, constant lies, pin badges, doctoring figures etc etc That conclusion is that the government have failed their population horrendously and unforgivably. The article has come after all those facts became apparent, so you’re splitting hairs again.

Actually I’d say that the U.K. is failing in three major areas- inept government, lack of any opposition and a compliant & agenda driven media. That’s a recipe for a clusterfuck which is about where we are right now.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Actually I’m jumping to a conclusion based on thousands dead, no PPE, lack of equipment, constant lies, pin badges, doctoring figures etc etc That conclusion is that the government have failed their population horrendously and unforgivably. The article has come after all those facts became apparent, so you’re splitting hairs again.

I was talking about the article

 

[Grendel]

Works on both sides though mate, I’ve been labelled as a left wing Labour voted when I’ve only voted Labour twice in 15 years.

Workers Revolutionary Party?

 

[chiefdave]

And I’m sorry but at what point do you stop minimising evidence after evidence that this government intended to have less of a lockdown and therefore more deaths to gain a small economic advantage?

We've got less of a lockdown than many other countries. Other countries don't let you leave the house without permission yet here we still have non-essential workers travelling to work every day and arguments about who is and isn't allowed to use parks.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I mean look at the state of this twat- he’s now seemingly turning to the Trump playbook and wants to blame the WHO and gets the jump when his lies are called out

 

[Grendel]

Pretty simple explanation, Murdoch / Times back Gove, Telegraph backs Johnson.

The Times of course as well was very firmly in the remain camp during the Brexit debate

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I was talking about the article

The article was pasted up so people can read it if they didn’t want to pay for it. Whatever it’s merits it does not deflect away from the bare facts. And this talk of “wait for the inquiry”- you know as well as I know that an inquiry the likes of which you refer to will never, ever happen.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The Times of course as well was very firmly in the remain camp during the Brexit debate

Therefore again we see that for the Conservatives there is never a wrong time to “make a move”. Yet on the other side they stand around not wanting to offend anyone. Which is why they’ll keep losing.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Gove also been pretty visible so that is nonsense

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Number of votes= [(Number of pints held x Height of pint held) x (Number of Union Jacks waved + Number of jokes told^2)]/Number of left wing policies offered

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Therefore again we see that for the Conservatives there is never a wrong time to “make a move”. Yet on the other side they stand around not wanting to offend anyone. Which is why they’ll keep losing.

Whatever the other side does is going to be criticised because the media barons are mates with the Tories

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Number of votes= [(Number of pints held x Height of pint held) x (Number of Union Jacks waved + Number of jokes told^2)]/Number of left wing policies offered

One thing about Boris- I can see how he is able to engage lots of people. I have never seen a hint of Gove having any similar ability, surely they won’t stick him in charge?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

One thing about Boris- I can see how he is able to engage lots of people. I have never seen a hint of Gove having any similar ability, surely they won’t stick him in charge?

Gove's best effort at that was when he was at the Headteachers' Conference and did well not to get lynched

 

[Grendel]

Therefore again we see that for the Conservatives there is never a wrong time to “make a move”. Yet on the other side they stand around not wanting to offend anyone. Which is why they’ll keep losing.

Not really as I’m sure the Sunday Times took the opposite stance and the mail and Mail on Sunday had very different opinions

 

[Grendel]

One thing about Boris- I can see how he is able to engage lots of people. I have never seen a hint of Gove having any similar ability, surely they won’t stick him in charge?

Johnson won’t be leaving as a result of this

 

[skybluetony176]

Johnson won’t be leaving as a result of this

So how bad a fuck up do you think there needs to be to result in Boris going?

 

[Skybluefaz]

You just worked that out?

If only

 

[David O'Day]

So how bad a fuck up do you think there needs to be to result in Boris going?

If grenners says something the opposite is likely to happen

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