covboy1987
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I agree with that
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Plans for Italian and Spanish leagues to finish behind closed doors, Real planning to play some games at their "training ground" which isn't really a training ground as it is about the same size as Bournemouth's ground.
If they can get theirs done then the Prem will finish their games. Which would mean 3 teams relegated. Our fortunes probably lie in the hands of the Championship.
Would be interesting to know what Bolton are thinking. I'd expect they would rather be relegated and start their rebuild in L2 rather than void and start on -12 in L1 again.
If they can get theirs done then the Prem will finish their games. Which would mean 3 teams relegated. Our fortunes probably lie in the hands of the Championship.
Would be interesting to know what Bolton are thinking. I'd expect they would rather be relegated and start their rebuild in L2 rather than void and start on -12 in L1 again.
covboy1987
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Think the season should be noe voided as to many issues to consider - Not been unrealsitic but Cov should be promoted if season was void as many fans of other league 1 clubs on there sites before shut down were commenting that we were already up and it was a fight for 2nd automatic and play off places - If the final games were played out behind closed doors anything could happen with this long break - players personal circumstances might come into it (some wanting to play some not) and our unstoppable head of steam might not click after this long break -
Colin Steins Smile
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The Premier League season will be completed for two reasons.
1. The PL's liability to broadcasters across the world stands at circa £750 million if the season is not completed. This would cripple some of the clubs and lead to a massive culling of other PL programmes in education, community work, etc.
2. The government is concerned about public moral during the lockdown and football returning would be a distraction from the pandemic.
Therefore, when three teams are relegated the Championship will need to have reach a decision on promotion.
They could decide on no relegation and hence maintaining the number of teams in the championship, if they do not complete the season....or they will apply the same formulae for assessing final positions across the EFL.
Sideways Sammy has a good blog on why this season likely won't start again. Financially it just isn't feasible for teams to keep waiting and waiting with full squads to play again.
Football And The Coronavirus: Why It Is Unfeasible For This Season To Resume
As for PPG - teams with easy run-ins will (rightly) say that their current PPG total has been skewed by the fact they're still yet to play the division's worst teams. It's only marginally more fair than just ending the season now, and I have the feeling that if PPG didn't currently result in us winning the league then we'd see a lot less people insisting it's the only way.
Basically there's no fair way of finishing the league at this point, and (short of playing the actual games) there's no way of sorting promotion/relegation without pissing some teams off. For every team who would furiously demand legal action if the season is voided, there's a team who would be relieved, so there's no incentive for the EFL to do anything - trying to guess the season's outcome can only open them up to claims of bias. The safest thing for them to do is give the teams some financial breathing space by voiding everything - a blanket move that would break a lot of hearts (including mine). But the fact that several top leagues who are some weeks ahead of us have already landed on this suggests it's the only way forward.
And there's no coming back from a void season either - I've seen people suggest the decision could be overturned in some leagues. But teams will start to move very quickly once this is decided. You can't tell a team the season is back on after they've laid off players, anymore than you can tell a team they need to get back on the pitch after they've all gone home, because the ref changed his mind about the final whistle.
The one wild card in this would be some kind of bailout for teams - if clubs were given enough money/loans to keep paying their staff for as long as it took to unfreeze the league, you could finish the season. The only people in the sport with the kind of money to make this happen are the PL clubs, the PL players, and the broadcasters. Sadly there is little to suggest that either group cares enough about the situation to step in - certainly not as far down the pyramid as League One.
A lot of people have been fucked over by coronavirus. I fear Coventry City Football Club is about to join that list.
Football And The Coronavirus: Why It Is Unfeasible For This Season To Resume
As for PPG - teams with easy run-ins will (rightly) say that their current PPG total has been skewed by the fact they're still yet to play the division's worst teams. It's only marginally more fair than just ending the season now, and I have the feeling that if PPG didn't currently result in us winning the league then we'd see a lot less people insisting it's the only way.
Basically there's no fair way of finishing the league at this point, and (short of playing the actual games) there's no way of sorting promotion/relegation without pissing some teams off. For every team who would furiously demand legal action if the season is voided, there's a team who would be relieved, so there's no incentive for the EFL to do anything - trying to guess the season's outcome can only open them up to claims of bias. The safest thing for them to do is give the teams some financial breathing space by voiding everything - a blanket move that would break a lot of hearts (including mine). But the fact that several top leagues who are some weeks ahead of us have already landed on this suggests it's the only way forward.
And there's no coming back from a void season either - I've seen people suggest the decision could be overturned in some leagues. But teams will start to move very quickly once this is decided. You can't tell a team the season is back on after they've laid off players, anymore than you can tell a team they need to get back on the pitch after they've all gone home, because the ref changed his mind about the final whistle.
The one wild card in this would be some kind of bailout for teams - if clubs were given enough money/loans to keep paying their staff for as long as it took to unfreeze the league, you could finish the season. The only people in the sport with the kind of money to make this happen are the PL clubs, the PL players, and the broadcasters. Sadly there is little to suggest that either group cares enough about the situation to step in - certainly not as far down the pyramid as League One.
A lot of people have been fucked over by coronavirus. I fear Coventry City Football Club is about to join that list.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Grendel
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The points penalty would go to next season I think Bolton would rather go down
SkyBlueCRJ
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Nick, with the greatest respect just because yourself and a few of your mates have returned to work, that doesn't mean millions have. Out of my personal / work network I only know of a handful that have returned to their actual work place and all of those are currently running at considerably reduced capacity and will be for the foreseeable. E.g. One of the company's I consult for employs 150+ people and have returned with 10 people. I can predict this will be a common trend over the coming weeks/months across most businesses.
Sorry what is nonsense as it seems your hate for Piers is becoming a bit of a distraction to what realistically is common sense? Politicians have recommended that social distancing has to be actioned in all places of work - whether that's on a construction site or in an office space. So, why is a football pitch exempt? The lack of social distancing exposes footballers to risks such as becoming personally affected, as well as their families and others potentially contracting the virus - unless of course footballers and their families put themselves under stricter quarantine measures that we're currently under. Which is unlikely even if enforced as you simply cannot account for the whereabouts of every single footballer throughout the Premier League and the EFL. Many footballers haven't even adhered to the current measures which are pretty flexible in comparison to which is hardly promising. So, I really don't see how that's nonsense personally, especially when this has been a pretty consistent message from most, but each to their own.
The season will only go ahead if it can be done so safely and at the moment there's serious questions marks over whether it can be.
SlowerThanPlatt
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We are pretty small fry in reality and more akin to the non leagues which have been voided than the Premier League
Brighton Sky Blue
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Perhaps not it’s just 12 points and corona has somewhat levelled the financial playing field
If the season was voided would prize money still be handed out? Clubs need that money now more than ever.
If it isn't then I can't see any clubs voting for a void season apart from Tranmere and maybe Southend.
If it is then how is it handed out, you need final positions to correctly split the money, alternative would be void and everyone gets a share, we'd get the same prize money as Bolton and Southed….
If it isn't then I can't see any clubs voting for a void season apart from Tranmere and maybe Southend.
If it is then how is it handed out, you need final positions to correctly split the money, alternative would be void and everyone gets a share, we'd get the same prize money as Bolton and Southed….
Brighton Sky Blue
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The money involved there is minuscule to be honest. TV and PL payments are what we need to be pushing for
SlowerThanPlatt
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The difference in prize money for finishing 16th or 18th would be minimal at this level I would have thought?
Nick
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The only people who need to be near each other are the officials, players and staff who may need to sit on the bench (physios etc). It's simple, test them before the match before they have it. I am also not saying it should be done tomorrow or the day after either, I mean when things have calmed down. It's not really common sense to push the "CANCEL THE SEASON ELSE PEOPLE WILL DIE" approach is it? It's scaremongering to try and force his own agenda, much like Karen Brady and Stan Collymore.
"IF YOU GO TO THE PUB YOU WILL KILL YOUR GRAN" was a favourite as well while dickheads were fighting over a packet of pasta. It's scaremongering about certain things to push things across.
It isn't a distraction from common sense either, it's the reality of it. Go and stand outside B and Q, Screwfix or Toolstation and see how many tradesmen are going there all day.
SkyBlueCRJ
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There are so many factors for both sides. Whether furlough will be extended, what kind of virtual footfall will clubs expect from iFollow, whether the owners can personally afford to bridge the losses and whether they've been personally affected by the current crisis, if there are agenda's (E.g. those in the relegation places as you've stated and vice versa with those in the promotion spots), if players will be willing to defer wages. I'm sure there are loads more.
I don't think it will be as simple as only those in the relegation places will vote for the season to be voided.
SlowerThanPlatt
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The Wycombe chairman who are not exactly struggling has already said he’d prefer it ending over continuing the season because they wouldn’t be able to afford playing behind closed doors
SkyBlueCRJ
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According to Prof John Newton he claims he's 'optimistic' that antibody tests will be readily available by the end of May/early June. Given that UEFA have apparently issued a deadline to the Premier League to send across plans for how they plan on starting the season by 25th May that really doesn't provide a lot of leeway - especially when it's likely that the EFL will align themselves to whatever decision the Premier League comes to. Equally there are concerns that there will not be enough tests to go around which is nothing short of problematic as you will have to test every footballer at least once a week in order to protect the safety of those on the pitch prior to each match.
Look Simon Jordan and Piers are pushing this because it's great listening or reading for their respective followers/readers/listeners - Piers especially has a vested interest in seeing the season voided. But that doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a slice of logic in their scaremongering tactics. The point is, is that football can only resume if the powers and be can guarantee the safety of the players, but for the reasons that I have already stated this is going to be difficult and they are realistically going to have to consider every scenario - even those that may appear extreme (E.g. Corporate Manslaughter). It's common sense that social distancing will help stop the virus, but the question that people seem to be conveniently ignoring is why are social distancing measures being implemented in every industry apart from football? I know of plenty of workplaces that are actioning testing but are still enforcing social distancing as well. So, I'll ask again, what makes footballers exempt?
How is that argument relevant? Has there been a vote by the governing body of tradesman on whether they are permitted to go back to work or not?
SeaSeeEffCee
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Whether get promoted or not completely depends on the Championship. If they don't relegate teams I don't see us going up.
SkyBlueCRJ
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Probably throwing in the towel a bit to early but I can kind of understand his reasoning behind that. Likely to be a low intake of iFollow subscriptions given their average-sized fanbase and he's probably accepted Wycombe will struggle to achieve promotion given their form since January where they've also lost to every promotion contender since the new year.
chiefdave
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People are talking as if on June 30th everyone stops being paid. Its only players who will be out of contract. And even then only the players nobody wants to sign. Or is the suggestion that there will be no signings and it will be a massive free for all when its confirmed next season is starting?
Can imagine the response if at the press conference before the first game of next season Robins says he's struggling to put a competitive team out as we didn't sign anyone to avoid paying wages.
If the reason is that teams have nothing riding on it then they should be mandated to employ a suitable method to conclude positions .
chiefdave
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They're not. Every day there's news articles about people who say they are being made to work in unsafe conditions.
Nick
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CCFC, Pompey and Portsmouth haven't had issues getting players tested have they? For the amount of money involved in putting a game on, rights etc then they can test players to see if they have it. Anybody who can social distance could do it quite easily. Again, I don't mean tomorrow or next week either which is what the scaremongering nonsense keeps trying to make out. It kind of makes the "CANCEL THE SEASON NOW TO SAVE LIVES" type thing that is pushed or when somebody mentions sport returning in the future you have people say "there's a global pandemic" etc.
It isn't an argument saying footballers should work because tradesmen are it was pointing out that more and more people are gradually going back to work. Suppliers for Tradesmen was just one example I know for a fact are heaving at the minute.
Do you really think every single industry has people working with social distancing throughout? Have you left the house recently? Go into a one stop and see how close people on the checkouts are to each other when it's busy.
Like I said, I am talking of the reality of things.
SkyBlueCRJ
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Okay, but that still proves my point - how from a safety perspective is that any different to putting 22 players on a pitch together if there is a risk that they won't get the testing right and social distancing isn't being adhered to?
covcity4life
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France have agreed ppg which bodes well for our title hopes though
SlowerThanPlatt
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But isn’t that just Ligue 1? What about the third tier there?
This why voiding the season has the Premiership clubs crapping it more than we think the team that finishes bottom get a £100 million prize money and that goes up place by place, think about it, that money is vital to most Prem clubs and been accounted for, there might not be a tv deal next year or if there is significantly different than now, there might not be any gate money for months, no season ticket sales and all the other corporate business there is and a multi million pound wage bill to service, the ramifications could be huge, there is big money to be had in the Prem take that away and I see some real problems for Prem clubs.
chiefdave
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I'll be fuming if they manage to find a way to void our season but still have Liverpool win the PL.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Also Ligue 1 had no permutations. The game in hand was PSG v Strasbourg who were already safe.
In our Premier League there’s Villa v Sheffield United to play with a Europa League place and survival on the line
In our Premier League there’s Villa v Sheffield United to play with a Europa League place and survival on the line
There could be a scenario where we are crowned Champions but don't get promoted
covcity4life
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Who cares about prem? If other lwagues use ffp hopefully more chance efl does too rather than void
chiefdave
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But all those other employers are staying open and there's nothing in the government guidelines to stop them staying open. The only applicable restriction, as far as I can tell, is on public gatherings which playing BCD solves.
Other than that the current guidelines allow travel to a place of work when you can't work from home and social distancing in the workplace where possible.
Nick is right, people shouldn't be getting all worked up about the risk of footballers going back to work when they've got no problem risking employees at The Range when they want to buy a couple of cushions. Lets have some consistency.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Ligue 1 is the top league where clearly there’s a lot more interest and money at play. This is not comparable to our League 1
For what may happen to us a better idea will be when they decide what happens to their second and third tiers