Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (240 Viewers)

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

Old folks are the worst. Should see them in the supermarket

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I'm 1 of these old gits and my observations are the opposite young girls on their phones going from 1 ailse to another and back again when they have just remembered something from the previous 1 just walk close by you as though your not there. They just need to put the phone away for a short time .I'm 1 of the vulnerable 1's and treat everyone as a possible carrier.Perhaps should have put this in "Most irritating things" post.

 

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[skybluetony176]

They just had an old fella on the Jeremy Vine radio show saying that he didn’t serve in the airforce to be told what to do by the government. He must have been on permanent court marshal during his airforce service.

 

[Astute]

Had news over the weekend an old troubled mate tried to top himself. Can’t work (usually does security at festivals), had a shit year with his dad dying, alcoholic and extremely social, no internet access. This lockdown is his personal nightmare. I feel like shit cos he turned up on my doorstep last week and I had to kick him out because I was worried about infections.

Got a mate over to him to do a video call with all his mates but it’s a poor solution.

There isn't much any of us can do to help people in certain situations. You can't go blaming yourself for anything.

I had a good mate who had cancer. He passed away a week ago. None of his wife or kids could visit him in his last days. He ended up in a hospice for the last week or so and his wife stayed with him. She is now in hospital with the virus. So not only have they lost their father/grandfather but their mother/grandmother is seriously ill. And there is nothing anyone can do. I am supposed to be helping out with arrangements but not able to do a thing.

 

[Nick]

The nightingale hospital in London now closed?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You were crying about people being negative regarding the UK's handling of the pandemic.

Let us keep this factual.

Also you going to apologise for your lies regarding the testing figures

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he needs to.

 

[David O'Day]

I'm 1 of these old gits and my observations are the opposite young girls on their phones going from 1 ailse to another and back again when they have just remembered something from the previous 1 just walk close by you as though your not there. They just need to put the phone away for a short time .I'm 1 of the vulnerable 1's and treat everyone as a possible carrier.Perhaps should have put this in "Most irritating things" post.

I'd rather some had a phone than repeatedly leant over me like the foogies like to do.

None of them seem to adhere to social distancing

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[David O'Day]

They just had an old fella on the Jeremy Vine radio show saying that he didn’t serve in the airforce to be told what to do by the government. He must have been on permanent court marshal during his airforce service.

The generation who like to bring up the 2nd World War but were quite old enough to have been there.

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[David O'Day]

The nightingale hospital in London now closed?

Didn't have enough staff anyway

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

And yet again show where I have jumped on Labour

And those same people ignore that Labour didn't prepare for one either.

You said this despite Labour not being in power at any point between when the problem was highlighted and now. The only reason they even did a 'stress test' for pandemic was Labour put in in motion and Tories psuhed it back two years as it was.

As I said I reckon we wouldn't have got all the necessary equipment in even if they had been and decided to spend any funding increases they may have given on what would have seemed more pressing issues at the time.

However I also don't think Labour would have dicked about trying to get the scientific community to endorse a herd immunity strategy losing us valuable time. But at the same time Laboour would have probably had even more problems convincing of shutting borders. With lockdown I can't say either way but probably they'd have been slightly more willing to push ahead with it sooner and probably harder.

As for no pandemics, there were flu pandemics in the 1950's and 60's. 2009 swine flu was classed as a pandemic. Aids is a pandemic that is still occurring today. Just because we were only mildly affected by the flu's and Aids is more of a slow burn killer than the others and isnt airborne (but has killed loads more people than coronavirus has) doesn't mean we haven't had pandemics. We've just been rather fortunate as to the limited effect they've had here, possibly due to better health and safety, standards etc.

But this is all speculation on my part and the main take from it is we can never know what difference a different administration would have had, for better or worse.

 

[fernandopartridge]

They just had an old fella on the Jeremy Vine radio show saying that he didn’t serve in the airforce to be told what to do by the government. He must have been on permanent court marshal during his airforce service.

How bizarre - did he not realise who he was representing in reality?

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

Didn't have enough staff anyway

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Didn't need many to treat to treat 71 patients over the 4weeks

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Didn't need many to treat to treat 71 patients over the 4weeks

Maybe the nhs was fine all along

 

[hill83]

People kicking off about the nightingale hospital barely being used. Surely that’s a good thing? Or did we want it rammed? Can’t win.

 

[shmmeee]

Here’s my question that I haven’t seen asked or answered:

Clearly we stayed home as intended, stories abound that the government were surprised by how strictly people followed lockdown orders.

Clearly we protected the NHS as we haven’t had Italy style stories of ICUs overrun and places like the Nightingales were empty.

So why didn’t we save lives? Why are we looking at double the “good result” we expected? Why are we looking like having the second highest death rate in the world from this? What went wrong?

 

[clint van damme]

People kicking off about the nightingale hospital barely being used. Surely that’s a good thing? Or did we want it rammed? Can’t win.

Yeah. Can't moan about not building redundancy into the NHS to cope and then moan about these nightingale hospitals not getting much use.
Glad they've not really been used and hopefully they won't be.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Here’s my question that I haven’t seen asked or answered:

Clearly we stayed home as intended, stories abound that the government were surprised by how strictly people followed lockdown orders.

Clearly we protected the NHS as we haven’t had Italy style stories of ICUs overrun and places like the Nightingales were empty.

So why didn’t we save lives? Why are we looking at double the “good result” we expected? Why are we looking like having the second highest death rate in the world from this? What went wrong?

Sending elderly positive patients back to their care homes might not have helped much.

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

The generation who like to bring up the 2nd World War but were quite old enough to have been there.

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Very true , also too old to have been in Falklands war and too old to be effected badly in the 2008 crash , they have had it easy compared to today’s youth who I am not one of but sympathise with enormously they have had shit to put up with while the old greedy NIMBY lot have had it easy

 

[clint van damme]

France have confirmed there were cases of corona in the country a month earlier than thought

Coronavirus present in France a month earlier than thought, test indicates

 

[SIR ERNIE]

The nightingale hospital in London now closed?

Good news, closed but remains on standby.

 

[Grendel]

The generation who like to bring up the 2nd World War but were quite old enough to have been there.

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That statement makes no sense if they were old enough they’d have been there?

 

[chiefdave]

People kicking off about the nightingale hospital barely being used. Surely that’s a good thing? Or did we want it rammed? Can’t win.

On the face of it yes it is a good thing. If its purely that we created extra capacity in case it was needed and shut it down when it wasn't then job done.

However if it has been shut down as other hospitals have stopped referring patients there due to them being turned away as there't no staff thats not so positive.
Nightingale hospital 'turned away more coronavirus patients than it treated'

 

[fernandopartridge]

People kicking off about the nightingale hospital barely being used. Surely that’s a good thing? Or did we want it rammed? Can’t win.

Agree, but worth kicking off about it when contrasted with the thousands being left to die in care homes. It all feels a bit like a massive PR stunt.

 

[wingy]

That statement makes no sense if they were old enough they’d have been there?

I guess it could mean those who grew up with it but too young to serve?

 

[Astute]

You said this despite Labour not being in power at any point between when the problem was highlighted and now. The only reason they even did a 'stress test' for pandemic was Labour put in in motion and Tories psuhed it back two years as it was.

As I said I reckon we wouldn't have got all the necessary equipment in even if they had been and decided to spend any funding increases they may have given on what would have seemed more pressing issues at the time.

However I also don't think Labour would have dicked about trying to get the scientific community to endorse a herd immunity strategy losing us valuable time. But at the same time Laboour would have probably had even more problems convincing of shutting borders. With lockdown I can't say either way but probably they'd have been slightly more willing to push ahead with it sooner and probably harder.

As for no pandemics, there were flu pandemics in the 1950's and 60's. 2009 swine flu was classed as a pandemic. Aids is a pandemic that is still occurring today. Just because we were only mildly affected by the flu's and Aids is more of a slow burn killer than the others and isnt airborne (but has killed loads more people than coronavirus has) doesn't mean we haven't had pandemics. We've just been rather fortunate as to the limited effect they've had here, possibly due to better health and safety, standards etc.

But this is all speculation on my part and the main take from it is we can never know what difference a different administration would have had, for better or worse.

Bollocks. It has been spoken about all my life. It wasn't just noticed at the end of the last Labour government.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Here’s my question that I haven’t seen asked or answered:

Clearly we stayed home as intended, stories abound that the government were surprised by how strictly people followed lockdown orders.

Clearly we protected the NHS as we haven’t had Italy style stories of ICUs overrun and places like the Nightingales were empty.

So why didn’t we save lives? Why are we looking at double the “good result” we expected? Why are we looking like having the second highest death rate in the world from this? What went wrong?

Because 'protecting the NHS' and 'saving lives' are probably opposing statements in some respects. Protecting the NHS meant sacrificing people in care homes, who had DNAR notices served en masse (contrary to regulatory guidance)/

 

[shmmeee]

Because 'protecting the NHS' and 'saving lives' are probably opposing statements in some respects. Protecting the NHS meant sacrificing people in care homes, who had DNAR notices served en masse (contrary to regulatory guidance)/

I think there’s something in this, but even on hospital deaths alone we are way ahead of where we should be looking at comparable countries.

Chuck it on the pile for the inevitable enquiry I guess.

 

[Ian1779]

Maybe the nhs was fine all along

Wait till they pedal that as a narrative for not funding properly in the future....

 

[Astute]

I think there’s something in this, but even on hospital deaths alone we are way ahead of where we should be looking at comparable countries.

Chuck it on the pile for the inevitable enquiry I guess.

We had deaths from old people's homes added to the number. What about other countries we are being compared with.

Other countries have also had much stronger lockdown restrictions put in place. Ask anyone who lives elsewhere in Europe. But the Tories get an easy time of this. Maybe it is because hardly anyone wanted the measures put in place elsewhere.

 

[chiefdave]

Following the Cambridge Analytica nonsense I’d be very wary of downloading an app from this government.

Why on earth are you worried?

Its not like this will be run by Faculty (previously ASI Data Science who were linked to SCL Group in the Cambridge Analytica scandal).

And its not like Faculty is run by Marc Warner. The same Marc Warner whose brother, Ben, was recruited by Cummings after working on the leave campaign and who controversially attends SAGE meetings.

Sure its all just coincidence.

 

[shmmeee]

Why on earth are you worried?

Its not like this will be run by Faculty (previously ASI Data Science who were linked to SCL Group in the Cambridge Analytica scandal).

And its not like Faculty is run by Marc Warner. The same Marc Warner whose brother, Ben, was recruited by Cummings after working on the leave campaign and who controversially attends SAGE meetings.

Sure its all just coincidence.

Have they given a reason why we can’t use the standard system Google and Apple devised like most countries plan to I believe?

 

[wingy]

Here’s my question that I haven’t seen asked or answered:

Clearly we stayed home as intended, stories abound that the government were surprised by how strictly people followed lockdown orders.

Clearly we protected the NHS as we haven’t had Italy style stories of ICUs overrun and places like the Nightingales were empty.

So why didn’t we save lives? Why are we looking at double the “good result” we expected? Why are we looking like having the second highest death rate in the world from this? What went wrong?

I think we did better than intended in spite of the advice .
People were taking their own precuations/action in those couple of weeks of dither or dally.
It was palpable to me

Stocking up of fridges and pantries , keeping kids off school was a week or two in advance of the official advice.

 

[wingy]

Why on earth are you worried?

Its not like this will be run by Faculty (previously ASI Data Science who were linked to SCL Group in the Cambridge Analytica scandal).

And its not like Faculty is run by Marc Warner. The same Marc Warner whose brother, Ben, was recruited by Cummings after working on the leave campaign and who controversially attends SAGE meetings.

Sure its all just coincidence.

Oh dear .
That's problematic.

 

[skybluetony176]

Because 'protecting the NHS' and 'saving lives' are probably opposing statements in some respects. Protecting the NHS meant sacrificing people in care homes, who had DNAR notices served en masse (contrary to regulatory guidance)/

That’s yet to come under any real scrutiny from either parliament or the press. Pretty shocking.

 

[skybluetony176]

Why on earth are you worried?

Its not like this will be run by Faculty (previously ASI Data Science who were linked to SCL Group in the Cambridge Analytica scandal).

And its not like Faculty is run by Marc Warner. The same Marc Warner whose brother, Ben, was recruited by Cummings after working on the leave campaign and who controversially attends SAGE meetings.

Sure its all just coincidence.

now you put it like that...

 

[David O'Day]

Yeah. Can't moan about not building redundancy into the NHS to cope and then moan about these nightingale hospitals not getting much use.
Glad they've not really been used and hopefully they won't be.

My issue is the patients they turned away due to lack of staff

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